Luger (another one)


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usmcpmi
April 7, 2009, 11:24 PM
Guys, I'm looking for some info on a Luger. Marked "1925" and "Simson & Co." "SUHL" This belongs to a friend of mine who lives out of state so I haven't actually held it in my hand. I have some pics to give you a better look. They are interested in selling it, so I need a approx. value- hi/lo Not sure if it is 9mm or .30 cal. I will find out. Also trying to get better pics of other #'s that might be on the gun. Thanks, MG

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Jim Watson
April 8, 2009, 01:52 AM
The good news is that a Simson Luger is a rather uncommon variant. The bad news is that this pistol is incomplete. It lacks the sideplate that holds the lever connecting the trigger to the sear. I do not know where to go to look for one.

Cap n Ball
April 8, 2009, 01:40 PM
Try http://www.e-gunparts.com/product.asp?chrProductSKU=465500

They will locate the part you need eventually.

Jim K
April 8, 2009, 11:25 PM
It is too bad about that sideplate. As noted above, a Simpson 1925 dated Luger is rare. Only 2000 were made and in top condition they easily bring close to $10k or more. Even in that condition and with a replaced sideplate, $1500-2000 would not be out of line, and it might well bring more.

Simpson got the Luger tooling from Erfurt after WWI, and produced Lugers for the German police and the small German military. The dated ones were made on a separate military contract.

Simpson later sold the tooling to Krieghof, who was a favorite of Hermann Göring. Simpson, which was owned by Jews, was put out of business by the Nazis and the factory run under the name of Wilhelm Gustloff. (Gustloff was not a gunmaker, he was a Swiss Nazi "martyr" who had been killed by Communists, according to the Nazi story.)

Jim

usmcpmi
April 9, 2009, 02:45 PM
Cap, Thank you for going to the trouble to look up the part and mark the page for me. That is great. I will follow up with them and buy it when available. That is one of the reasons I keep comming back to this web site. Great people that are willing to help eachother out. Thanks Again. MG

rcmodel
April 9, 2009, 04:09 PM
You will die of old age before Numrich / E-gunparts.com gets a Simpson Luger sideplate, lock, and trigger linkage!!!!

Even if you do find one, it is not a drop-in part. Every one was hand fitted and the chance of finding one, let alone one that fits & works properly is very slim to none.

I would contact these people and see if they might be able to help you.
http://www.simpsonltd.com/index.php?cPath=179_226&osCsid=9cdca4e3bff246169f09118a44a1fe02

BTW: The Simpson Ltd. name is just a coincidence.
They had nothing to do with the German firm who made your Luger.

rc

BIKERTRASH
April 10, 2009, 11:21 PM
Can someone help me with this WW II issue German luger I believe it is all original and with matching numbers The frame is stamped 5776d in two different locations along with the barrel and most of the remaining parts are stamped 76 the top of the slide has the initials "byf" I think this might be a manufacture and I believe the model number is P.08 See the attachments

I have attached some additional photos I can't see anything that looks like a traditional date there are numbers on the right side of the frame 135 136 over the 135 is the swastika under and eagle and the same stamp is on the barrel. There is a 42 over the chamber.

Jim Watson
April 10, 2009, 11:42 PM
It is definitely a P08, German army issue Luger.
Is there not a date (year) over the chamber?
The complete serial number is 5776d as shown on the front of the frame.
"byf" is the production code for Mauser manufacture early in WW II.

redrock
April 11, 2009, 01:36 AM
The BYF denotes it was made at the Oberndorff Mauser Plant. There is a Luger Forum on the web that has all the Info. for checking out these pistols.

rocky branch
April 11, 2009, 09:58 AM
Luger doc at the Luger forum might be a source.
They often have sideplates in the for sale section.

I have owned many lugers and sideplates are much more interchangeable than some want to believe.

The luger trigger mechanisms is a real hoot and a weakpoint in performance.

Real shame yours is missing.Anychance it is lying about?

I bought an all matchinh K98 at a sale last year and some fool had lost the safety lever.

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