Mother shoots son at range.


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KCOLLINS18
April 8, 2009, 10:11 AM
On April 6, 2009 a mother shot and killed her 20 year old son and then turned the gun on herself, while at a shooting range in Casselberry, FL.

This news article shocked me, just because I go to a public shooting range and I guess this could easily happen to me just as well as other people. You have the ear plugs in, your expecting to hear guns goin off. I think if i went back to the shooting range, that I would be more aware of my surroundings. I would like to hear some input about if you would just carry on as normal at a range or be a little bit more aware of whats going on.

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rbernie
April 8, 2009, 10:18 AM
The mother was known to have mental health issues.

Don't go shooting with people who have a history of mental issues or that you believe cannot safely handle a loaded weapon and you should be fine. I cannot recall EVER hearing of a shooting at a range that was not a clear ND, a suicide, or something similar to the story mentioned.

Having said all that - it is normal for me to pay attention to the shooters around me to make sure that they're not accidently sweeping me with a loaded weapon.


ETA - to keep this thread open, we'll need to focus on shooting safety at the range and situational awareness, and not on the incident that spawned the question.

elrod
April 8, 2009, 11:01 AM
Link to story??????????:confused:

TexasRifleman
April 8, 2009, 11:03 AM
Here is the story from an Orlando news station.

http://www.wftv.com/news/19100943/detail.html

Old Fuff
April 8, 2009, 11:29 AM
There are plenty of demented people in this, as well as any other country. At the present time sensationalist drumbeat reporting of isolated shooting incidents is tending to focus the mentally ill on guns as an attractive solution to whatever is bothering them. As the reports grow, so does the number of incidents. What you are seeing is the “copycat effect.”

Given the irresponsible way the mainstream media works the isn’t much we can do about it. :banghead:

solareclipse
April 8, 2009, 11:32 AM
I watched both versions of the video (censored and not) and prior to the incident, she clearly brandishes it sideways as she steps back and looks in the general direction of the camera. If i were the attendant there i would have run right in and mentioned that, assuming anybody saw it live..

Guns downrange and all that........

Mohawk
April 8, 2009, 01:00 PM
Here in Northern Arizona, our shooting ranges are local box canyons with no supervision that everyone uses. Over the years I've seen some pretty sketchy people come out to shoot. Gangs of teens of all racial persuasions popping off in all directions. Groups with no clue of range safety. Pick ups full of large junk, which they dump and shoot up, then leave it all there. Also some shooters who you wouldn't want to meet in a dark alley. It's usually time to leave when the four guys show up with their SKS, Mossburg pump and Hi-Points along with 2 cases of beer.
For these reasons I always carry a 45 on my hip which remains loaded and an AKM with a full mag, safety on, laying in easy reach on the tailgate. I position my truck between myself and other shooters.

To be fair, I've also met some of the nicest people at the range and we remain good friends to this day.

Claude Clay
April 8, 2009, 01:10 PM
e-muffs at any range are necessary. they allow me to tune in on a conversation nearly the length of the firing range. 20 ports. frequently i hear things that give cause to look at closer.not just jams/misfires--but people saying things that are not--in the context of normal range phrases.

and there are more new shooters coming to the range now than i ever remember before. many have not yet refined their range skills and need to be kept an eye on: friendly help use to always be appreciated but of late, the influx of entitled peoples ....well, they do not take kindly to being 'helped'. most of these have quickly been helped off of the range by the RO.

dobrzemetal
April 8, 2009, 01:27 PM
Horrible, im not for red tape but maybe ranges should have some kind of way to swipe a license or ID and if any mental health issues show up deny the customer, the honor system is not.

CWL
April 8, 2009, 02:05 PM
She walked up behind her son and shot him in the back of the head. -I can think of at least 3 violations of range safety issues in order for this to happen.

Unfortunately, I don't think she cared about rules, and it must have happened so fast, I don't think there was any time for anyone to react, especially the son.

In the past, I have observed strange behavior or someone who obviously has no gun knowledge, I typically ask the range operators to put me at the farthest point from them (usually in another room), and the operators have always obliged. I suggest that everyone do take an occasional scan of their range and those nearest to them, if anyone just doesn't look right, you have to option to move or leave.

specialk123
April 8, 2009, 02:49 PM
http://www.wftv.com/news/19119365/detail.html#-

It was no accident. She left a suicide note and a tape of her rambling for three hours about being the anti-Christ and the end of the world.

She was mentally ill, without a doubt.

Rezin
April 8, 2009, 03:10 PM
LOL. I posted this yesterday. It was promptly closed.... Props to rbernie this time for at least aknowleging this IS relevant....

Zoogster
April 8, 2009, 03:49 PM
LOL. I posted this yesterday. It was promptly closed.... Props to rbernie this time for at least aknowleging this IS relevant....

People should all remain alert.

However there has been a trend lately for people to post every single shooting that happens, often resulting in the same one even being posted several times.

Highlighting all such incidents is not in the spirit of promoting firearm ownership or safe use as the site aims to do.

Half of the problem with the shootings is the media coverage. Resulting in copycats. By highlighting such incidents, giving them a lot of airtime and attention they plant a seed in susceptible minds.
They let people know options they otherwise would not have considered are available. Options like shooting up various places or people.

Often times if those people had not seen or heard about such things done through the media they would not have done them themselves because the availability of that option and carrying it through would not have dawned on them or been realisticly considered.

We saw that after the Columbine incident, where previously rare school shootings became more common, with a small percentage of upset kids more likely to consider that a solution whether they carried it out or not. Shooting up a school for being bullied or picked on became seen as an available "solution". Where previously it was not considered an option to choose from.

The massacre in Australia that the government exploited to severely restrict and ban many guns and gun types and do thier mandatory buyback was a result of a mentaly ill person watching the massacre in England in the media.
The media covered the killings commited by one man in England for weeks, and the mentaly ill Australian suddenly became aware doing such a thing was an option. He promptly went out and murdered many people.
The media essentialy told him that was an option.

In a world where many people practicly worship celebrities, keeping up on what they do, how they do it etc such things are dangerous. When people create sites that are often a shrine to themselves, like many of the social networking sites, when people want to be the next American Idol or get thier fame etc etc
There is a lot of people that for some reason want attention just for the sake of having it. A small percentage of those people are disturbed.


Everyone has ups and downs in life, and the less stable are worse during the downs. The current economic situation has a lot of the population in one of those down cycles.
The worst thing anyone could be doing right now is highlighting a destructive "solution" for unstable people. Resulting in copycats.


Unfortunately the media is irresponsible. That does not mean we should be equaly irresponsible.
People good and bad come along and visit threads and read things when they do a search and find this and similar boards. We don't need to be bombarding everyone interested in firearms with mass killings or intentional misuse. They shouldn't see multiple threads on the main page about different massacres or selfish people like this mother, or suicides, and all the gory details. It may in fact contribute to some misuse.

WomenofCaliber
April 8, 2009, 04:05 PM
This is horrible! I clicked on the link and read about the suicide notes and the recording. I don't understand how a mother could do that to her child. :(

Animal Mother
April 8, 2009, 04:12 PM
I cannot recall EVER hearing of a shooting at a range that was not a clear ND, a suicide, or something similar to the story mentioned.


While trying to keep this on-topic we did a THR member who posted on this board with regularity who was killed at the range by two army deserters last year. You should always be cognizant of what is going on around you, even at the range.

RIP- Rev. Mark McCalla

Art Eatman
April 8, 2009, 04:24 PM
It seems to me that she went to a place where she knew the son would be at a particular time. Unless there was something in her three-hour taped ramble about shooting ranges, that location is incidental and, really, irrelevant.

The event could easily have occurred at his residence, his workplace, a WalMart parking lot or in a restaurant.

IOW, just another news story of a shooting by a deranged person, too many of which have been happening lately. (Helluva note, when a shooting during a robbery is regarded as normal behavior.)

Art

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