break-open action single-shot rifle, what's the point?


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superpunchy
April 8, 2009, 07:15 PM
I notice that Harrington and Richardson sells an extensive line of break-open action single-shot rifles and shotguns. My question is; what's the advantages and disadvantages to a break-open style action single-shot rifle vs. a bolt-action rifle?

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jmr40
April 8, 2009, 07:26 PM
The break open rifles are lighter, less expensive to make and have a shorter overall length with the same barrel when compared with bolt rifles. With practice repeat shots can be surprisingly fast.

While there are exceptions, and I am sure someone will post pictures to prove me wrong, they are generally so so on accuracy.

ArmedBear
April 8, 2009, 07:26 PM
They're cheap.

They're very simple.

They're easy to clean.

They're light.

They're short for a given barrel length, so you can have better ballistics in an easier-to-tote rifle.

They can be set up easily for all sorts of calibers, since they don't have a bolt face to worry about.

Jubjub
April 8, 2009, 07:26 PM
Low cost, light weight, capable of having multiple barrels fitted in different calibers.

PT1911
April 8, 2009, 07:29 PM
all the above and I have heard the accuracy is pretty excellent as well.. a lot of aftermarket customizing options as well.. a friend of mine has one in .223 that he has added a bipod, 6 position collapsible stock, laser and tactical light all in the spirit of fun... gets more attention than any single shot should...

CWL
April 8, 2009, 07:44 PM
Sometimes all you really need is one bullet.

My deer huntin' friend only leaves home with 3 bullets. Helps him to wait for the best & right shot.

gunnerh
April 8, 2009, 08:04 PM
The H&R single shots are easy to use to train young or new shooters. For knocking about in the outdoors they are hard to beat. They can take a lot use and abuse without so much as a hiccup. I have no problem take one out in a rain or sand strom, where a would not take a finer firearm.

Zundfolge
April 8, 2009, 08:13 PM
Its all about the cost/accuracy ratio.

There's single shot guns out that will out shoot bolt guns at a cost of pennies on the dollar.

Hungry Seagull
April 8, 2009, 08:20 PM
I trained with a single barrel break with a friend. That thing you can do probably everything equal to if not faster than I do with the Rem 870 due to my overly cautious nature with the pump.

Bust it open, drop old shell, flip a new one in and "Phoink!" it's ready.

Poink, BOOM, clank,poink BOOM etc.

Cleaning? Easy.

Geno
April 8, 2009, 08:21 PM
jrm40 said:

While there are exceptions, and I am sure someone will post pictures to prove me wrong, they are generally so so on accuracy.

:) Thompson/Center's Contender pistol has held the world record for about 20 to 25 years. The group was fired at 500 yards, using iron sights. I believe the group measured .75" X 3.5". For what it's worth, ALL T/Cs come with an MOA guarantee...handguns, carbines and rifles.

Re: the advantage of any single-shot, when you have one shot, and you know you have one shot, you practice, and build your confidence. Confidence. : ) That's the advantage. Patience. That's another.

I have heard many good comments of H&Rs. I have not personally fired my own .30-30 that I bought LNIB. She's sure pretty. Nice classic lines and takes my mind back to days when I was 8 Y.O. and hunting with single-shots. Wow, those are some great memories.

Geno

P.B.Walsh
April 8, 2009, 08:38 PM
Well if I could I'd get my R700 to go ss only, but for now I only put one bullet in the gun and 2-5 in the stock pack.

Wow I didn't know contenders were that accuate, but are they more accuate than an HS Precision pistol

P.B.Walsh
April 8, 2009, 08:40 PM
Yay something else to google:)

Let's see some pics of that "tactical single shot" am so curious it's just killing me.

JWarren
April 8, 2009, 09:19 PM
The H&R handi-rifle in 45-70 sells like hotcakes down here in MS and LA. It is legal to use it as a primative weapon in primative weapons season here and effectively adds 4 weeks to deer season.

I'll be picking up one before next November.


-- John

alemonkey
April 8, 2009, 09:23 PM
I owned a Handi Rifle in .223 but was not impressed. I never got it to shoot better than 2 MOA. A lot of people have good luck with them, though.

That being said, I love single shots in general. I'm a big fan of the falling block action. It's strong and accurate. Shooting a single shot is relaxing and fun.

DesmoDucRob
April 8, 2009, 09:31 PM
My NEF is topped with a fixed 4X Leupold and has seen more action than any one of the classier arms in my hunting collection. When I have to crawl through a briar patch with a rifle that I fired from a climbing stand that I had to hoist with a string, it helps to have something short and rock-solid. It's somewhat funny to see all the folks jumping on the "primitave arms" bandwagon in LA like Jwarren said; some of us have been ahead of that wagon for years.:neener:

...and by the way, I have yet to fire my rifle while hunting and wish I had more than a single shot.

benzy2
April 8, 2009, 09:32 PM
Thompson/Center's Contender pistol has held the world record for about 20 to 25 years. The group was fired at 500 yards, using iron sights. I believe the group measured .75" X 3.5". For what it's worth, ALL T/Cs come with an MOA guarantee...handguns, carbines and rifles.

Re: the advantage of any single-shot, when you have one shot, and you know you have one shot, you practice, and build your confidence. Confidence. : ) That's the advantage. Patience. That's another.

I have heard many good comments of H&Rs. I have not personally fired my own .30-30 that I bought LNIB. She's sure pretty. Nice classic lines and takes my mind back to days when I was 8 Y.O. and hunting with single-shots. Wow, those are some great memories.

Geno

What world record would that be? Just wondering what class you are talking here.

Geno
April 8, 2009, 10:01 PM
benzy2:

Give T/C's customer service a call and ask them the details. They had it in their advertisements for years. I called them and confirmed it some years back. They'll have the detail.

http://www.tcarms.com/
603-332-2333

Geno

Charles S
April 8, 2009, 10:14 PM
an elegant weapon for a more civilized age

Lol. Single actions tend to be very accurate, and are generally shorter and lighter than their repeater counterparts.

Some of just like the challenge.

ArmedBear
April 8, 2009, 10:37 PM
The H&R will save you a lot of coin, compared to a nice vintage Farquharson.

http://www.luxusgunstock.com/500ne-1.jpg

gb6491
April 8, 2009, 10:56 PM
Yay something else to google

Let's see some pics of that "tactical single shot" am so curious it's just killing me.
NEF used to catalog one; there is a picture of it in this other board's thread:
http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=47321

ATI can hook you up as well:cool:: http://atigunstocks.com/products.aspx?category=5

I like mine a little more vanilla:
http://i40.tinypic.com/o6jklw.jpg

If any are interested in this type of rifle, there is a lot of good info to be found here (http://www.go2gbo.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=5h4a7e14e5nsdqk2njtj3r5sr2&board=126.0).

Regards,
Greg

That Farquharson is a beauty:)

fireman 9731
April 8, 2009, 11:59 PM
Hey gb6491, nice gun! I have been looking for a better rear sight for my Buffalo Classic... is that the same one as here?
http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,4191.html
If it is, I like it but 200 bucks is a little steep for me! Do you have any other ideas for a similar type sight?

BlackHand1917
April 9, 2009, 12:02 AM
I had one of the 45-70's and liked it. I ended up giving it to my wife's nephew as a gift, not because of the performance but because of the high cost of 45-70 ammo. The Handi-Rifles have a kind of elegant simplicity about them.

dmazur
April 9, 2009, 12:10 AM
Here's Ruger's version of a Fahrquarson action (the No. 1) -

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/pacific1927/RugerNo1s.jpg

These both have 22" barrels, which is a good length for .30-06 and .243, and are just a little over 36" long overall.

Very easy to carry and quick to point.

Duke of Doubt
April 9, 2009, 12:21 AM
Many years ago I dated a very beautiful, extravagantly stupid girl. She lived in a remarkably sketchy neighborhood of a certain city where handguns were (are) prohibited. I bought an NEF Pardner 20 gauge at Kmart for, I think, $79 and left it and a box of shells at her place with my toothbrush in case an unanticipated 4th floor walk-up invasion occurred at a time while I was away from her place (not a frequent occurrence, but still).

Try and name a more idiot-proof gun.

dmazur
April 9, 2009, 12:46 AM
Absolutely. That's why they are commonly "issued" to kids as first hunting rifles.

I have heard about recommendations of the break-action as self-defense weapons (in shotgun form) for the elderly, who may have trouble with more complex manuals-of-arms in semi-auto pistols, etc.

It's true they offer only one shot, but that is better than something so complex or difficult to operate that it is ineffective.

Rancho Relaxo
April 9, 2009, 01:07 AM
I've always found it interesting that single shot rifles can be so cheap, yet add another barrel to the mix and the price suddenly jumps hundreds, thousands of dollars!

JShirley
April 9, 2009, 01:12 AM
The shoulder arm I used most growing up was a H&R Topper, Jr. 20 gauge. The H&R/NEF arms are quite cost effective, handy, and lightweight, but research indicates they seem to not be as accurate as some other arms (because of the exposed hammer).

T/Cs have a reputation for extreme accuracy.

John

dmazur
April 9, 2009, 01:21 AM
I've always found it interesting that single shot rifles can be so cheap, yet add another barrel to the mix and the price suddenly jumps hundreds, thousands of dollars!

I believe it's because the traditional method of adjusting the barrels so they impact at the same point ("regulating", I believe it's called) involved trial-and-error. Fit, sweat the assembly together, shoot, break it loose and refit, repeat until it works.

I think a Russian company came up with something involving a setscrew to regulate the second barrel to the first, and this eliminated all the labor. I think Remington was importing this and offering it as a double rifle in .30-06 for around $1500 or less. I have no idea what the quality is, or if there is any demand in the U.S. for double rifles.

I'm guessing here, but I think double shotguns have the same problem, except maybe the regulating doesn't have to be as perfect as it does for a rifle. As a result, I'll bet a jig or fixture during assembly is sufficient.

Cpt. America
April 9, 2009, 01:26 AM
Its the challange of the one shot one kill.

gb6491
April 9, 2009, 01:55 AM
Hey gb6491, nice gun! I have been looking for a better rear sight for my Buffalo Classic... is that the same one as here?
http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,4191.html
If it is, I like it but 200 bucks is a little steep for me! Do you have any other ideas for a similar type sight?
fireman 9731,
Thanks:)

Yes, that's the sight. Brownells has them for $140 (http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/productdetail.aspx?p=18735&st=851-000-045ab&s=43042) (price after logging in). That's still a little steep, but there's a story behind this rifle that's yet to be finished; for the moment let's just say I've named it "Ole Constipation". The sight is pretty nice, but I think they need to center the aperture in the sliding bar (it's a little below center and is like that on all I've seen). I also think the screw that adjust the pressure on the detent ball for the sliding piece should be finger adjustable vice the screwdriver style on it now.

As to alternatives; there is the Williams Fool Proof and Fool Proof Target (http://www.midwayusa.com/Search/Default.aspx#buffalo%20classic____-_1-2-4_8-16-32); love the name and would probably have went with one of them if I was not so stubborn:banghead:
I think that a Krag Jorgeson rear sight (http://cgi.ebay.com/Winchester-1895-95-Krag-1901-Springfield-Ladder-Sight_W0QQitemZ290307729289QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGun_Parts?hash=item290307729289&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50) could be made to work. The Springfield Trapdoor sight (http://www.shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=24229) is said to work as well.
Beyond that, I think you would be looking at a tang style aperture sight (http://www.handirifle.com/articles/mybuffalo.htm) mounted on the wood, a false tang, or a welded on tang.

A Malcolm scope (http://possibleshop.com/malcolm-scopes.htm)would be the something, but they cost more than the rifle:(

Regards,
Greg

sarduy
April 9, 2009, 02:15 AM
Let's see some pics of that "tactical single shot" am so curious it's just killing me.


http://www.brugger-thomet.ch/img/products/gl06_1.png

Hungry Seagull
April 9, 2009, 02:24 AM
sarday that looks nothing more than a classic vietnam era thump grenade gun.

But one modern and tatic-cooled out to the max for today's Congress.

moooose102
April 9, 2009, 08:21 AM
ONE SHOT-ONE KILL. how many do you need? if you do your part, and bring enough caliber, you don't need a repeater. unless you are hunting dangerous game. besides, single shots are a lot less expensive to shoot. you will find yourself aiming much more carefully to make that one shot count. so you won't be out there just spitting out lead.

P.B.Walsh
April 9, 2009, 08:36 AM
Sartday, how did you do that?!?!?!? If I new I would probaly getting one in the future, that is sooo cool!!!!!:)

ar10
April 9, 2009, 08:51 AM
I like the one shot guns, both rifle and handgun (black powder). Unlike the AKxx and Mxx they actually force the shooter learn how to aim and make the single shot count.

Eric F
April 9, 2009, 08:52 AM
well they are the only rifles curently madt that will shoot S&W 500 magnums

Wild west guns made a few lever actions but have since stopped production.

MMCSRET
April 9, 2009, 09:30 AM
I have owned several break action SS rifles. The only draw back I experienced was capturing the fired case as it was ejected, especially with a low mounted scope. I haven't bought any ammunition in almost 40 years and my guns only shoot my handloads, so I am interested in capturing my fired case. It is an awkward configuration in a very good shooting platform, otherwise.

Loyalist Dave
April 9, 2009, 10:02 AM
they are generally so so on accuracy.

Hmmm I have several of the H&R Handi-rifles, because I found they are very good on accuracy, if you buy the right barrel, just as you would on a match rilfe vs a hunting rifle. So the lightweight, shorter barrel will not shoot as well as the longer, fluted or bull barrel versions. I have .22, .223. and .308 caliber barrels. With hand loads I have gotten 1 moa from the .308, and very close with the .223. They aren't match rifles, but considering that what I paid for the three rifles plus an extra barrel each was about half of what I would pay for a match rifle without scope. They don't eject, they only extract, so no worries about keeping track of those scarce components. You do get what you pay for, but imho they are a very good value for the price. I intend to get a few more.

LD

SP Shop Foreman
April 9, 2009, 10:08 AM
They're the perfect rifle for teaching children to shoot. My son is only two and a half but he has a single shot Chipmunk waiting for him.

Latigo

jacob.elliott
April 9, 2009, 10:42 AM
my brotherinlaw has a h&r handi rifle in 223 and it will shoot the same hole at 200 yards.

gb6491
April 9, 2009, 10:43 AM
I have owned several break action SS rifles. The only draw back I experienced was capturing the fired case as it was ejected, especially with a low mounted scope. I haven't bought any ammunition in almost 40 years and my guns only shoot my handloads, so I am interested in capturing my fired case. It is an awkward configuration in a very good shooting platform, otherwise.
Senior Chief,
My H&R came with an extractor vice ejector. If you have or happen upon one with an ejector there is an mod to make it an extractor type:
http://www.brimstonepistoleros.com/articles/hr-ejector-mod.html
http://www.go2gbo.com/forums/index.php/topic,134289.msg1098510727.html#msg1098510727
Regards,
Greg

fireman 9731
April 9, 2009, 11:37 AM
Thanks for the info gb6491 :)

MMCSRET
April 9, 2009, 12:00 PM
All of my H&R and NEF rifles and shotguns ejected, maybe they changed to extractors lately. My Rolling and Falling blocks all extract and I like that. My Contenders also extract, mmmmmm good!

Tinpig
April 9, 2009, 12:11 PM
Agree with others about the usefulness of a break-action single-shot for training new shooters, and for everyday use. Both my boys learned to shoot with a NEF 20 gauge. When it's broken-open it's safe, no confusion and easy for all to see.
I still use it all the time. Also, I have adapter bushings and can shoot .410 out of the 20. (Only one gauge in the pocket at a time, naturally.)

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc91/ccanhamjr/Guns/NEF20.jpg?t=1239293011

Tinpig

t george
April 9, 2009, 02:09 PM
i have really come to love my older style contender and when shooting it i really take my time and pick my shots with care... for some reason this just seems like better practice to me and i generaly have more fun with it than i do with auto loaders and bolt guns dont really know what it is but there is just somthing about only haveing one shot at a time...

ArmedBear
April 9, 2009, 02:24 PM
Many years ago I dated a very beautiful, extravagantly stupid girl.

Hmmm...

Was she stupid about spending lots of money?

Did she flaunt her stupidity and use it with abandon?

Was she so stupid that you found her stupidity to be a luxury in conjunction with her beauty?

A way with words, Duke.:) (You're a lawyer, right?)

benzy2
April 9, 2009, 05:48 PM
If I could find a break open in .22 hornet I would pick it up. It is a rifle I have been looking for now for a while.

gbran
April 9, 2009, 06:11 PM
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/gbran/TCG2.jpg

benzy2
April 9, 2009, 06:26 PM
I must say that there is something very elegant about a break open. That TC looks like a ton of fun.

Duke of Doubt
April 9, 2009, 07:27 PM
Armed Bear: "Hmmm... Was she stupid about spending lots of money?"

Yes.

"Did she flaunt her stupidity and use it with abandon?"

Yes.

"Was she so stupid that you found her stupidity to be a luxury in conjunction with her beauty?"

Yes.

"A way with words, Duke."

I suppose so, because when I popped the question she said, "Yes."

It took me ten years to escape.

PT1911
April 12, 2009, 12:18 AM
Here's Ruger's version of a Fahrquarson action (the No. 1) one of those is definitely in my (hopefully not to distant) future... in 460 S&W magnum....:D

Sunray
April 12, 2009, 02:14 AM
MSRP on an H&R is $266.49. MSRP for a Savage 111, as an example of a high quality, reasonably priced, bolt action is $591.00. The H&R lets a hunter without much money have a decent, BNIB, hunting rifle without having to find odd calibre/cartridge ammo. A milsurp Mosin Nagant will cost less, but the ammo isn't necessarily easy to get everywhere.
A hunter who uses a single shot rifle, in any chambering, tends to be very good with it too. A single shot rifle is more of a challenge too.

R.W.Dale
April 12, 2009, 02:26 AM
MSRP on an H&R is $266.49. MSRP for a Savage 111, as an example of a high quality, reasonably priced, bolt action is $591.00. The H&R lets a hunter without much money have a decent, BNIB, hunting rifle without having to find odd calibre/cartridge ammo. A milsurp Mosin Nagant will cost less, but the ammo isn't necessarily easy to get everywhere.
A hunter who uses a single shot rifle, in any chambering, tends to be very good with it too. A single shot rifle is more of a challenge too.


Apples to oranges comparing as you put it an example of a high quality, reasonably priced, bolt action to a single shot with brushed on looking bluing and a stock made from the pallets parts arrive to the factory on.

Compare the NEF to the Stevens 200 or Marlin xl7 that can be bought for just under $300/ Rifles that shoot as good as anything with a sporter bbl but only cost about $50 more than a nef


With today's current selection of EXCELLENT entry level bolt actions the break action single shot with all it's annoying accuracy issues really makes less and less sense.

I've owned my fair share of Handi's and Encores I even have a handi at Remington now getting a 357bbl fitted ( sent 4 months ago) and there's no way I'd choose a handi over a entry level bolt gun for a one rifle to do all gun.

To answer the OP

break-open action single-shot rifle, what's the point?
They're shorter.........that's it

there used to be more reasons to choose em but the world of firearms has since moved beyond that

dmazur
April 12, 2009, 01:27 PM
They're shorter.........that's it

No argument from me. That's what drew me to the Ruger No 1 initially. Then I found out I liked the simplicity of loading/unloading a single round, and the challenge of hunting with a single round.

I will admit, however, that "brushed on bluing and pallet wood stocks" turned me away from the NEFs and similar offerings.

For younger shooters, the length thing is important. Also the safety and simplicity of a single shot with an exposed hammer.

I didn't see an analogy to bicycles, but the NEF's might be a little like a kid's first bike. If he (or she) stays interested in bicycles, you know he (or she) is going to outgrow it. And, at that point, I'd say the transition to a decent bolt-action would be appropriate.

And, there's a lot of adults riding "beater bikes" as commute bikes, now. No worries about them getting scratched or stolen. I've read that some NEF's find a home as "truck guns"... :)

R.W.Dale
April 12, 2009, 01:29 PM
For younger shooters, the length thing is important. Also the safety and simplicity of a single shot with an exposed hammer.


I do agree that as a youth gun the overall package of size and the super simplistic passive safety of the NEF is unsurpassed

tunnug
April 12, 2009, 02:55 PM
Yay something else to google

Let's see some pics of that "tactical single shot" am so curious it's just killing me. (quote)

I bought an H&R in .223 and it came with an extra set of furniture in tactical black of course, it is a four point adjustable stock like an m-4 AR with a handguard that also looks like an AR handguard----- tactical single shot :cool:

I'll have to put it on something and post pictures, I've looked around to see who made it but haven't found anything, I do remember seeing an advertisement for all kinds of tactical doo-dads for the single shot.

chris in va
April 12, 2009, 02:59 PM
You guys are also forgetting something. NEF will fit another rifle barrel for your receiver, at a substantial savings over new.

Heck if you have the rifle, they can fit a shotgun barrel to it. Not the other way around unfortunately.

salvo
April 12, 2009, 06:07 PM
I have been shooting Contenders since the early 80's, love the accuracy! If you know exactly were that one shot is going you rarely need a second.

.204 Ruger - My Coyote rig.
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d71/SeaOx/Contender/IMG_4489.jpg

30-30 Super 14
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d71/SeaOx/TC%20Contender/TCContenderSuper14-1.jpg

7mmTCU & .22 LR 10"
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d71/SeaOx/TC%20Contender/TCContender-1.jpg

Aren't we all
April 12, 2009, 06:38 PM
They're awesome!
That's the scientific reason:)






Marsh

R.W.Dale
April 12, 2009, 07:09 PM
You guys are also forgetting something. NEF will fit another rifle barrel for your receiver, at a substantial savings over new.


I didn't forget. I mentioned that in another reply. But be prepared to wait Remington has had my NEF getting a 357 barrel fitted since December

Maverick223
April 12, 2009, 10:18 PM
Good Question, I don't see any advantages that are not available in other platforms other than the low price. IMHO they are ugly, somewhat difficult to operate, not especially rugged, and just lack the grace of many other single shots (e.g.: falling block, rolling block, and even a trapdoor).

PT1911
April 12, 2009, 10:21 PM
Good Question, I don't see any advantages that are not available in other platforms other than the low price. IMHO they are ugly, somewhat difficult to operate, not especially rugged, and just lack the grace of many other single shots (e.g.: falling block, rolling block, and even a trapdoor).


what is difficult.. seems like the most simple action there is...

nothing to break, few moving parts... no flying brass...

??????

PAPACHUCK
April 12, 2009, 10:29 PM
P.B. Walsh, Here's a pic of a "Tactical Single Shot for you...

NEF "Survivor", 22" Bull Barrel that is capable of MOA with match ammo, and 1.5-2MOA with Mil-surp or std factory ammo.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h11/PAPACHUCK/IMG_0277.jpg


The "point" is....they're FUN!

Cannonball888
April 12, 2009, 10:34 PM
While there are exceptions, and I am sure someone will post pictures to prove me wrong, they are generally so so on accuracy.
A guy at the range a few days ago next to me was shooting 1 MOA with .223 handloads off a sandbag. Not sure what model break-open it was, but it had a thumb hole stock and a cheap-looking scope. Go figure.

jbkebert
April 12, 2009, 10:41 PM
http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww241/jbkebert/parker019.jpg?t=1239590251

Here is my new coyotte/deer rig. It shoots 1 1/4- 1 1/2" groups with cheap factory 1" to 1 1/4" with premium ammo and sub-moa with handloads. Take the pistol grip and barrel off. Slap a buttstock and rifle barrel on it and in 3-5 minutes its a .300 win mag or .22-250 or a muzzle loader. Whats not to like.

Maverick223
April 12, 2009, 11:21 PM
what is difficult.. seems like the most simple action there is...

nothing to break, few moving parts... no flying brass...

??????
Not really difficult, just clumsy IMHO.

mickeydim468
April 13, 2009, 04:36 PM
I didn't see anyone mention the Rossi Matched sets. I bought the youth model with a 20Ga. .22lr and .243 Win for my wife as her first rifle ETC... She is now a hell of a shot with it. She don't shoot it very often, so it has turned out to be more like my gun that she gets to shoot. I love this gun. It is a heck of a lot of fun. To see the set Go here (http://www.rossiusa.com/products/matchedsets.cfm)

I only paid $249 for the whole set BNIB. The longest rifle is the .243 Win. and it is 37.5" long and weighs just over 6.5 Lbs with a 4-16X40 scope on it. With the .22lr bbl on it is only 33.5" long. I added a slip on rubber recoil pad which made the LOP exactly the same length as my M1917 and reduced the felt kick tremendously. I plan on using this set up this year to hunt black tail deer. With the elastic ammo holder on the side of the butt stock I can reload almost as fast as I can with my bolt action M1917.

I have also found that I too make a conscious choice to pull the trigger only after making certain I am going to hit what I am aiming at. With this scope combo and the .243 Win bbl I was able to stay within 1.5 to 1.75" at 100 yds 3 or 5 shot groups. It didn't matter.

Here is a pic of mine in as tactical as it is going to get for a while. This is a pic of the rifle with the 3-9X32 scope. I will upload a pic of it with the big scope on it later.

CoRoMo
April 13, 2009, 05:36 PM
I've bought a Handi-Rifle with a Nikon scoped .270 barrel and a .30-30 barrel with iron sights. My kids will use this as they're growing up and joining me on elk, deer, bear, antelope, etc. hunts. As maturity permits, they can move up from one level of recoil and sights to another.

I'd rather not loan them a finer rifle and/or scope as they will likely damage or break it as they learn the responsibility of carrying the gun while hunting.

Along those lines, I've also got an NEF Pardner single shot in 12ga. for them to use for bird hunting. Cheap and easily replaceable if they mess it up.

Extending further down this road, I bought a Hi-Point C9 that my children are welcome to hone their chops on, rather than scratch Daddy's 1911 or break my other handguns.

Eventually they can shoot the finer stuff, but not until they get experience on the cheap stuff.

tju1973
April 13, 2009, 07:40 PM
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I grew up on a single shot, break open .410 and a .22.

I tell you one thing, I didn't take everything I shot at, but I did learn how to make the most of my shots.

They are great guns for the dedicated hunter/sportsman and if I could ever latch on to a Rossi 7.62x39-- it would be my new hog rifle-- and I wouldn't ever switch.

:)

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