my first bp rifle-which would you get


October 11, 2003, 07:56 AM
I have a choice between a cva bobcat or t/c renegade,50cal.
which rifle would be your choice as your first gun? why?
this is my first bp rifle and want the best rifle at the cheepest money-don't we all. have shot c/f and r/f for years,but now want to try bp.

thank you-emmie

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October 11, 2003, 10:02 AM
Personally, I would go with the T/C. The main reasons being reliability, reputation, and warranty. If you decide BP isn't for you the T/C will also hold a better resale value. As in all things the saying "you get what you pay for" is especially true in Black Powder equipment. Entry level equipment WILL have to be replaced, usualy at a premium. T/C products will out perform all but the most eliete, at a most modest price.
.50cal is a good choice for game up to and including deer, bigger game requires a bigger calibre. Good luck.

October 11, 2003, 02:31 PM
I'd definitely get the TC.

The bobcats are ok, but I wasn't impressed with them. At the same time we have to consider it is a $70.00 BP gun.

I can't honestly say they are even in the same category when comparing looks, features and reliability.

Good Shooting

October 13, 2003, 05:40 PM
I bought my Bobcat at walmart for 60 bucks and have been quite pleased with it. It's taken a pretty good beating so far and shoots well with patch and round ball. I'd definitely go with it if you're just starting, it's a good gun to learn on and if you find you don't like it you're not out a great deal of money. The only major problem I have with it is the synthetic stock makes the gun too light and unbalanced for my tastes though putting a shock pad on the butt helps some.

May 15, 2005, 10:58 PM
I bought a Bobcat at Walmart for $55 and for the price, I am very satisfied with its performance. It's not a fancy, sub-MOA, super-battle-tactical-uber-sabot-shooting-Pyrodex-pellet-eating smoke pole but it will throw round ball plenty well (I need to pick up some conicals and sabots, just to see how they work in it). If you want to try muzzleloading but don't want to risk losing a lot of cash, buy the Bobcat. Also the Bobcat is a rifle you won't worry about scratching up. Upgrading later won't cost you an arm and a leg either.

May 16, 2005, 01:28 AM
Emme, get the T/C Renegade .50 ... Lifetime warranty still I believe, one of the ultimates in well made, accurate as they come outta the box, you really don't want less than a .50, mutifunctional, and it looks cool as heck. My first BP rifle was the T/C Hawken, and I got two trophys with it my first year of competition metalic silouette shooting. I was gonna buy the Renegade but opted for the Hawken cause it had the set or double triggers. Best a luck have fun shootin' :)

May 16, 2005, 01:36 AM
Anything from TC is going to be top of the heap.

May 16, 2005, 01:46 AM
I should a read all these before I post Emma. Plastic on a muzzleloader is almost as bad as shootin' plastic sabots outta one. A muzzleloader Purchased to shoot as its ment to be shot is not made of plastic. If you wanna shoot a round at a Buck during muzzleloading season I suppose they are fine. But if you shoot say 40 shots in competition, your shoulder will change color. They aren't properly balanced, and you can't use um in a walk through at a Rondevous. I'll say this and shut up for now ... and you two guys remember this too. When you shoot Black Powder it does something to a person. It's like reliving a bit of our past. From the Revolutionary War, French & Indian War, Fur Trade Era Mountain Men, War with Mexico, Civil War, Plains & Western Indian War. So if you didn't feel that at all shootin' plastic for $55 or $60 just remember you get what you pay for.

May 16, 2005, 07:37 AM
So Emmie, what did you end up buying? :)

May 16, 2005, 09:49 AM
I have a Bobcat. Decent gun for the $53 I paid for it. Don't worry with anything close to accuracy till you've ran at least 100 patched round balls through it. The bores are rough till you break them in. Replace the stock nipple with a Hot Shot and use real black powder and you'll do OK.

My brother has a TC. Fine firearm, it is. Well built and easy to clean. If you can swing the TC, go for it. If used, make real sure the bore has been taken care of. Also check to make sure the other owner didn't leave a charge in it before you bore light it. :)

May 16, 2005, 12:39 PM
+1 for the TC. Use it to get yourself seriously addic-- I mean acquainted with the genre. Then save your pennies, go out and buy yourself a Lyman Great Plains Rifle.

And a BP revolver.

And a Pennsylavania/Kentucky flinter.

And a...


May 16, 2005, 02:34 PM
I agree with Smokin_Gun except I'd go even further to say I wouldn't get either one as my first BP gun. Or my second or third... My fourth - naw not even then - why should I get something that is outside what I like best about BP?

But if you care nothing for tradition and sentiment - shrug, what does it really matter?

Sixty bucks though... sigh, I guess I can see a reason if you're on a budget that'd only allow such purchases... Then I'd wonder if you could afford to shoot it as much as you're gonna want to? BP is truely addictive! ;)

May 17, 2005, 04:09 PM
Go American made, it's worth the extra dinero, and your money ain't going to spain.
or in other words:

Buy the T/C.. if you don't like it I'll buy it from you for exactly what you paid for it, no questions asked.

That's how much I like my T/C's.

May 22, 2005, 07:27 AM
thank you all for your replys. when i first posted this question in 2003 ,i had never shot bp.
my first rifle was a t/c white mountain carbine/50cal, BIT by the bug big time, bought all the extras i thought i needed. shooting round ball and patch,with t7 powder,no real bp found around thses parts.
then went and got a t/c renegade 50cal,old model double set triggers, more ball,patch,etc.
i really like shooting these rifles,great fun,but being what they are,they make me slow down,-time to reload,etc-and enjoy the shooting,not like rapid fire of pistol or rifle shooting.
thank you again for all you help.


confed sailor
May 23, 2005, 11:20 PM
dont scrimp on the first one!!!
get an P53 enfield and throw some real lead.

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