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oldFred
April 12, 2009, 12:15 AM
I applied online for the ATF to send me C&R forms. This was over 6 weeks ago. Does it normally take that long???

I still don't have them. Has anyone applied this year? How long has it taken you to receive them?

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MarkDido
April 12, 2009, 01:05 AM
They may be backlogged.

I sent my renewal in about 3 weeks ago and haven't heard anything back yet.

And the REAL C&R pain will come when your spouse see's how much money you're spending on nice MILSURP guns! ;)

utmaster
April 12, 2009, 01:16 AM
It took a almost a couple of months to get my forms. I ordered them late January, got them about 2 weeks ago.

FiveFiveSixFan
April 12, 2009, 02:21 AM
You might try calling them at 301-583-4696 and ask that they mail you the forms.

bonza
April 12, 2009, 09:14 AM
You can download the forms, that way you won't have to wait for them to be mailed out. Here's a link: http://www.cruffler.com/f531016.pdf

oldFred
April 12, 2009, 10:48 AM
Thanks for the input fellas!

I am dying for a PU sniper and Mauser I just seen locally.
:neener:

joustin
April 12, 2009, 11:19 AM
I sent my request in December and then again in February. I got them around Feb 15th. I sent it about 4 days later. I got my license on April 11th. Not too bad once you get the application.

FiveFiveSixFan
April 12, 2009, 12:18 PM
You can download the forms, that way you won't have to wait for them to be mailed out. Here's a link: http://www.cruffler.com/f531016.pdf

Those forms are from 1997 and they list a different address to mail the application to than the current form. It may be worth a call to see if they are still valid.

alemonkey
April 12, 2009, 01:17 PM
Mine took about a month and a half to come through, but that was about 18 months ago. I'm guessing like everything else firearms related, there's been a rush on C&R applications and they're running behind.

fd62
April 12, 2009, 01:27 PM
I too was worried about the time.. took about 2 months to receive the application haven't got it back in yet

mbt2001
April 12, 2009, 06:21 PM
Same thing happened to me. The ATF hasn't updated there information like they should and you most likely sent the documents to Atlanta and not West Virginia...

Took me about 3 months to get mine because of that incident, but I did get it.

marcodelat
April 12, 2009, 06:29 PM
You can no longer download the application for a C&R license from the ATF website.

As I understand it these old forms are no longer being accepted by the ATF.

On the website you are advised to have the new application form mailed to you and use the form you are mailed.

Rugerlvr
April 14, 2009, 04:54 PM
You must have the new form. It took me something like 3 months to get a form. But it only took 3 weeks to get the license after I mailed it in. This was earlier this year.

NoneMoreBlack
April 14, 2009, 06:06 PM
Took me over a month to get the forms (which you now have to order online, free of charge), and I filed about 5 weeks ago now and am still waiting to hear back. Must be a backlog. Sucks too, I'm really worried all the sub-$200 CZ82s are going to sell out before I get it.

thebreeze50
April 17, 2009, 02:21 PM
:barf:I am having the samr problem been waiting since 12/08 for forms
I fount out today that a private contractor sends out the forms not the ATF:mad:
anyone have an application theycan e mail me?

krs
April 17, 2009, 03:30 PM
Give your closest ATF office a call. The person you get on the phone will likely send them right out and you'll have 'em next day, or the day after.

Whenever you need something from them folks it's best to call and ask for it. I don't think anybody pays attention to email.

krs
April 17, 2009, 03:32 PM
You can't call 'em up anymore?

no more deleting double posts?

mbt2001
April 17, 2009, 04:12 PM
Give your closest ATF office a call. The person you get on the phone will likely send them right out and you'll have 'em next day, or the day after.


No, they will transfer you to the licensing division and they will send out the forms.

Make sure you are sending the forms to the West Virginia address.

Oyeboten
April 17, 2009, 04:46 PM
Mine took about five weeks...having mailed in paper application forms.

Not bad really...considering...

oldFred
May 14, 2009, 03:19 PM
FYI update...

I finally received my C&R application.

Applied 3/14...
Order processed 4/27...
Received 5/11...

Hope this helps anyone.

:eek:

Animal Mother
May 27, 2009, 12:51 AM
This may help somebody out there gauge their wait time.

My C&R renewal application was sent in, a few days later the check for was deposited on 3/20, and my renewed FFL 03 arrived today on 5/26, just over nine weeks.

zoom6zoom
May 27, 2009, 04:33 PM
Sent in my renewal on the 9th and they charged my card on the 13th. We'll see how long it takes to show up.

Shadow 7D
May 27, 2009, 05:33 PM
I filled out the thingy on the website and had the paperforms in about a week, got the "So you want to be a collector" letter about 4 days later. really quick response, but that was before Obama, so they might be a little back logged now.

rklessdriver
May 28, 2009, 09:54 AM
Guys,
No reason to wait on that super efficient Govt for these forms. Some nice folks at CALGUNS fixed this for us. You can down load and fill out the new ATF 7CR form here. So far a number of people have gotten their C&R using it.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=175032

Also rember the new ATF mailing address for the form is the West Virgina one in small print at the very bottom of page 4 (as it used to be Atlanta, Ga).

Will

fiver
May 30, 2009, 12:46 AM
rklessdriver:

Thanks for posting that.

I have wanted to get my C&R for the past 8 years. For a variety of reasons I won't bore you with, I kept deciding to wait.

Decided a few weeks ago to make the plunge and ordered my forms. Forms aren't here yet...

Filled out and mailed my app and my CLEO letter using the PDF tonight.

First time ********** has done something useful for me :neener:

I'll have to register over at calguns and thank those folks!

stickhauler
May 30, 2009, 02:23 AM
From whatever source, you must apply on the actual ATF form 7CR. If anyone really needs the form, let me know via e-mail or PM, and give me contact info and I'll mail you the extra form I got a few weeks back. And I'll be cool and not charge you the $1.30 something cost for mailing it to you. Or send the downloaded one you got off the web, and get it returned to you from the ATF because you didn't do it right, and then have to wait even longer for your C & R license if that works for you.

outerlimit
May 30, 2009, 05:00 AM
Also rember the new ATF mailing address for the form is the West Virgina one in small print at the very bottom of page 4 (as it used to be Atlanta, Ga).

I think they must like to keep changing this, I believe it was a Texas address a few years ago.

JAQUEBAUER
May 30, 2009, 05:03 AM
It took about 6 weeks for the forms to get here...I ordered from the BATF website

stickhauler
May 30, 2009, 05:37 AM
She processed mine, and it still came pretty quickly, even with me screwing up. Getting a C & R was likely the easiest dealing I have ever had with a government agency, the people I dealt with were pretty cool. I've got the Cincinnati Field office number on speed dial on my cell, if I have a question, they're always very happy to answer any and all questions I have (even if they're damned stupid ones.)

rklessdriver
May 30, 2009, 11:13 PM
Stickhauler-
I called the BATFE and they said a PDF or photocopy of the new 7CR form was perfectly acceptable. One guy on Calguns also called (3 times and got the ame answer all 3 times...)

I know its a long thread over there, but I read every single entry looking for problems before I sent mine in this way.

Once folks on Calguns started reporting back success and had actually gotten their 03 using the PDF, I stuck a stamp and mailed mine off to WV. That was last week and if there are any problems with mine I'll be the first to report it here.
Will

stickhauler
May 31, 2009, 12:44 AM
I hadn't contacted ATF with that question, I was going on the experience of a friend who has had a C & R license for years, and he said reproductions of the form were not accepted. Thanks for setting the record straight!

fiver
June 1, 2009, 01:36 AM
Looks like at least one person had an issue with the PDF form.

ATF "approved" it, but told him to fill out and mail in one of the original green ones as they would not accept copies.

Might just be that that agent is being a stickler. A few folks have called and were told that copies / scans were OK. Or maybe they are going to make it be a agency policy now. Never know with the alphabet soup crew.

rklessdriver
June 1, 2009, 12:01 PM
It does look like the easy way, may get the boot.

At any rate, I'll report back what happens with mine.
Will

Kernel
June 1, 2009, 08:57 PM
Got my C&R about a month ago. Took about 10 weeks from request for app to permit showing up in mail box (I turned around the app in a couple of days). Took about another month to get the regs, forms, and CD (those came last week).

raveneap
June 1, 2009, 09:02 PM
I've had mine for quite a few years. It was due to expire on 5/1/09 so I sent in my renewal on 2/25/09 figuring that would give them plenty of time. My check cleared on 3/4/09 but as of 5/1/09 still didn't have it. So I called them and was told that it had mailed out on 4/28. Sure enough, it arrived shortly thereafter.

rklessdriver
June 2, 2009, 03:12 PM
Just keeping this thread at the top and updating. I know its only been a day but....

A few new developments over on CALGUNS, as the guy who initially had problems just got his 03 C&R in the mail using only the .PDF... :)

I swear, our Govt has to be the most unorganized bunch of $2.00 an hour minds, making $200.00 an hour on a $.01 job, that has ever been. :barf:

Lets hope the easy way continues to prevail.
Will

fiver
June 5, 2009, 12:15 AM
Ugh.

ATF issued formal letter stating that all PDF will be rejected.

Of course, they still charged my CC $30 TODAY. How they can charge me money for an invalid form is a discussion I guess I won't go into here.

Hopefully the green forms show up the same time as my rejection letter so I can turn it around quickly.

frikkin alphabet crew. Always something with them.

rklessdriver
June 9, 2009, 09:19 AM
Well formal rejection letter or not, they charged my credit card yesterday as well. We will see what comes in the mail.
Will

rklessdriver
June 12, 2009, 03:47 PM
Just to follow up as promised.

I got the ATF form letter in the mail today. It stated that the pdf was not approved and I needed to contact a distribution center to get the approved 7CR form. They assigned a specific agent/person at the ATF for me to mail the correct form to and stated that they would just keep my payment as current.

The wife is calling the distribution center in Springfield VA (right up the road) to get the proper green 7CR sent to the house as I can't seem to make the ATF web site order function owrk properly (my reason for doing the .pdf in the first place).

:banghead:
Will

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