CCW Permit Renewal Frustration!


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.455_Hunter
April 14, 2009, 11:52 AM
My Colorado permit expires at the end of next month. For some dumb reason, I thought that the sheriff's dept would send me a renewal notice. I finally looked last night and discovered that I had to initiate the process. :banghead: I took my application and fees to the sheriff's office this morning and discovered that I have about 45 days left on my current permit and a 90 day wait for my renewal. :fire: That's just great- no permit for 45 days in the middle of the summer! :cuss: The sheriff's dept says you can submit your renewal paperwork up to 120 days out from the expiration of your permit, but with the process taking the full legally mandated 90 days, you really only have a 30 day window to get it done without any lapse.

Moral of the story- Keep track of your renewal dates and the processing time!

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chris in va
April 14, 2009, 12:14 PM
Can you open carry in the meantime?

CoRoMo
April 14, 2009, 12:20 PM
Not sure where you are at, but chill. Did your permit take the full 90 days initially? Mine didn't. My permit arrived 42 days after I submitted the paperwork. Hope that happens with yours.

The "fully mandated 90 days" is actually a maximum limit. You are supposed to receive it within 90 days, no later. I don't know anyone who didn't receive their permit inside 60 days, but I'm sure it varies by county.

Good luck.

Zundfolge
April 14, 2009, 12:23 PM
I got my renewal letter (my permit expires in July) so I made my appointment for the beginning of June (I hope I get a new photo).

It only took about 2-3 weeks to get my permit when I first got it.

But then again, El Paso County has been Shall Issue much longer than the rest of the state, so they had their system down pat long ago.

.455, what county you in?

.455_Hunter
April 14, 2009, 12:47 PM
My original permit took 45 days or so (back in 2004). The lady this morning said that they are completely backlogged and it is taking the full 90 days. Considering the attendance rate at CCW classes, I am not surprised. The whole issue is my lack of planing- I am sure the sheriff's office is doing the best they can. I live in Jefferson County.

GJeffB
April 14, 2009, 01:52 PM
Colorado requires a certificate of training (in lieu of other other proficiency verification) within 10 years of application and/or renewal. Take the class and get the permit, good for 5 years. Renew a couple of months prior to expiration and you have another 5 years. Renew a couple of months prior to *that* and you effectively get 15 years (a couple months short of 15) off the same 10-year training requirement.

-jb

Hungry Seagull
April 14, 2009, 01:54 PM
Well, I encourage you to do the best you can.

Once I let my car tags lapse about... 7 months. The nice State Trooper reminded me of that and the fines were paid, tags renewed prior to lunch the same day not even a half hour after the stop was completed. Renewal was 25 dollars a year normally and the total cost for forgetting was almost 450 total when the fallout stopped from the financial sky.

I was very embarrased because tracking bingo tags and stuff was what I used to do for a living at work.

Hang in there, you know what you need to do and perhaps lose a few days without carrying. It's going to work out for you.

In our area, if we dont renew and it expires, we would have to go through the whole process all over again including the fees.

.455_Hunter
April 14, 2009, 02:09 PM
Colorado requires a certificate of training (in lieu of other other proficiency verification) within 10 years of application and/or renewal. Take the class and get the permit, good for 5 years. Renew a couple of months prior to expiration and you have another 5 years. Renew a couple of months prior to *that* and you effectively get 15 years (a couple months short of 15) off the same 10-year training requirement.

It is my understanding that the training time period only applies for the initial permit issue. When I got my initial permit, my "training" was my DD214 (I could not locate my M9 expert qualification card at the time). The DD214 is only valid for "training" for three years after ETS, so it is completely outdated by now. I better check to see if I am good to go, since I have now located my M9 score card (just barley within the ten year limitation for that "training"), and could submit it as well if necessary...

GJeffB
April 14, 2009, 02:16 PM
Hunter, C.R.S.
" 18-12-211. Renewal of permits.
(1) Within one hundred twenty days prior to expiration of a permit, the permittee may obtain a renewal form from the issuing sheriff and renew the permit by submitting to the issuing sheriff a completed renewal form, a notarized affidavit stating that the permittee remains qualified pursuant to the criteria specified in section 18-12-203 (1) (a) to (1) (g), ..." [emphasis mine].
Both my CCW Trainer, and issuing Sheriff suggested the "slightly early" renewal stategy.

HTH

-jb

Pistol Toter
April 14, 2009, 02:33 PM
My first Tennessee permit took only 30 days. The last time I renewd it took just over 60 days. Tennessee is in the same backlog condition or it was a year ago. I am a good friend with the gent who is involved with one of the training and testing sites, he says that the classes are aways full and they are turnig people away or scheduling them several months out. Knoxville PD reported last week that they ae seeing a rise in crime. The citizenry has become scared of becoming a victim. When my wife grocery shops I wait in the car, letting her out at the door and picking her up when she comes out. It is becoming very common to see men and women both who are carring. But it doesn't seem to be detering much of the rise in crime. I guess the bad guys are watching for those who are walking with their heads down and not being vigalient of their surroundings, making for easy pickings. I hope you get your renewal soon. P.T.

.455_Hunter
April 14, 2009, 02:44 PM
Here is the line from the Jeffco FAQ website:

Note: A training certificate is not required if you are applying for a renewal of your current permit and there is one already on file.

Unfortunately, it does not state weather the certificate on file has to be "current". I will call them after lunch to find out the whole story.

Carl
April 14, 2009, 03:33 PM
Is there a way to get a permit that's lifetime and not every 5 years with the exception of law enforcement related?

GJeffB
April 14, 2009, 03:44 PM
Hunter, please be sure to let us know what you find out. The way it was explained to me is that upon renewal, you have to swear that you now have the same qualifications as applies to a new application ("submitting to the issuing sheriff a completed renewal form, a notarized affidavit..."). You don't have to take a new class, for instance, just swear that you have *had* the class withing the last 10 years. Or that the alternative proficiency qualifications (actively engaged in competition, etc) is still valid. I'll be interested in knowing what answers you get.

Carl: I know of no such lifetime permit in the state of Colorado.

-jb

Hungry Seagull
April 14, 2009, 03:47 PM
Carl, if they did life time, the revenue source will be a one time thing.

As it stands the ASP has a nice revenue boost every few years from the donations I will be making to keep the CCW for the next... 50 years? Or until they stick me into a nursing facility.

CoRoMo
April 14, 2009, 04:19 PM
As I've been told, once the ten years is up, you gotta take more training. This might not be defined well enough to know for sure. Sort of like the line you pasted from Jeffco's site.

Also, from what I've been told, you wouldn't necessarily have to retake the CCW class, but could show them a certificate of completion from a number of courses such as NRA Basic Pistol, NRA Defense Inside / Outside the Home, etc.

Again, this is only what I've heard in training classes, from instructors here and there.




No lifetime permits here in Colorado.
They've debated the permit in lieu of NICS check at point of purchase, but unsure where that stands.
Currently we get no free lunches in that regard.

TRGRHPY
April 14, 2009, 04:35 PM
I know it may seem to be a pain-in-the-butt, but is continued training every ten years necessarily a bad thing?

Sweden
April 14, 2009, 04:41 PM
If it's any consolatoin, I put my renewal in on December 28. Appearently they called on 3/28 saying to come pick it up, but I never recieved said message. Every last day of the 90 days is how long mine took.

I just picked up my renewal permit yesterday, having gone down their to discuss my hours-from-expiration permit.

Best of luck!

BTW this was JeffCo.

WomenofCaliber
April 14, 2009, 04:47 PM
I hope it doesn't take the full 90 days. Hopefully it will come sooner than that. Much sooner... :)

.455_Hunter
April 14, 2009, 05:41 PM
Well, here is the story...

Since I could not reach them by phone, I drove up to the Jeffco Sheriff's Office this afternoon. They remembered me from this morning, and I asked them about my training status (discussing DD214 three year limit, etc.). They said once you get your initial permit, you are good to go are far as training goes, even if the training has "expired".

So there you go. Take it for worth its worth. We will see if I get a phone call in the next month or so saying my renewal is being held-up due to expired training! :banghead:

This is not to say that getting periodic training is a bad idea, it is just not required for renewal.

Dynamite Rabbit
April 14, 2009, 05:57 PM
I have a feeling that the training not "expiring" is on a per-county basis. Some counties (Weld for one) specifically allow a hunter's safety card to count for the training, and some disallow it. Different counties seem to interpret the law differently.

slabsides
April 14, 2009, 06:42 PM
Just because a state has a 'shall issue' law, doesn't mean the local Law has to make it easy. I've had a permit in Maine since 1962. My last renewal four years ago took about five minutes: the time it took to ring up the fee and have my friendly Chief sign the paper. I went for renewal six weeks early this time. New Chief. Had to fill out 8 pages of 'application' and 'certification' and submit same WITH THE FEE. Now understand, this is a small rural Maine town, where I am widely known. Took just over two weeks to get 'approved'. And on top of that, when they called me in to pick up the paper, they'd made it active that day, a month before the old permit expired. So they'd cheated me out of a month on my renewal's 'other end'. I was told I could refile, if I wanted to. That might have put me over the expiration of my old permit. I took the new paper and shut up. Why all the hassle? Probably because the old Chief was a pal, and the new one has it against private carry, or thinks he needs to play CYA with all the bureaucratic BS, orů just because he CAN.:banghead:

.455_Hunter
April 16, 2009, 12:35 PM
Well, I dropped off my M9 qualification score card (Sep 99) and had them add it to my packet, just in case. I don't want to delay this thing any longer than it has to be.

Vern Humphrey
April 16, 2009, 01:15 PM
In Arkansas, you can renew at any time and they start the new permit on the day the old one expires. Kinda like rolling over your minutes with a new Tracfone card.

dat2
April 16, 2009, 01:17 PM
in Texas they send you a letter about 6 minths before it expires

GJeffB
April 16, 2009, 03:59 PM
.455 Hunter:
Thanks for the follow up. As was said, perhaps the "interpretation" varies county by county. Hopefully you won't have a long(er) wait.
Thanks again

-jb

g2contender
April 16, 2009, 04:32 PM
Wow, I feel fortunate. I renewed mine and it took all of about a week. Probably because we are a very small town in a lightly populated county.

Mike

230RN
April 16, 2009, 07:11 PM
Forgive me in advance for shouting.

BUT THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I WAS SCREECHING AND HOLLERING ABOUT THE COLORADO LEGISLATURE DISALLOWING OUT OF STATE NON-RESIDENT PERMITS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO !

Anyone listen?

Nope.

"It -duhhh- don't affect me, nohow, -duhhhhh."

I wanted to get a non-resident Utah permit to carry over in case something like that happened, or I lost my wallet or something.

NEXT TIME, DON'T GIVE AN INCH, DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH "NIBBLING" LIKE THAT.

Now youse guys know I don't shout on the board, ever.

BUT THIS ONE DESERVES IT!

Boy, am I ........!

Don't let ..... like that happen in your State!

Duh.

Terry, 230RN

.455_Hunter
June 25, 2009, 02:02 PM
UPDATE-

Got a call from the sheriff's office this morning...

My renewal is complete and I can pick it up today! :)

Looks like they took about 70 of the allowed 90 days to process.

Luckily, I have been sans CCW for less than a month.

.455_Hunter
June 25, 2009, 02:06 PM
Now I can go hiking again...

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