somthing tells me this didn't come from a gun show


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wagoneer1019
April 14, 2009, 04:38 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D97IE0A02&show_article=1





Anahi Beltran Cabrera, who was arrested guarding an arsenal, is presented...



An anti air-craft machine gun, the first weapon of its kind seized in Mexico,...



Anahi Beltran Cabrera, center, who was arrested guarding an arsenal, is...


MEXICO CITY (AP) - A woman was arrested guarding an arsenal that included an anti-aircraft machine gun—the first weapon of its kind seized in Mexico, police said Tuesday.
The arsenal belonged to a group linked to the powerful Beltran Leyva drug cartel, federal police coordinator Gen. Rodolfo Cruz said. It also included ammunition, five rifles, a grenade and part of a grenade launcher.

Mexican drug cartels, battling a fierce crackdown by soldiers and federal police, have increasingly gotten hold of higher-powered weapons, even military-grade arms such as grenades and machine guns. That has left police—particularly state and municipal forces—grossly outgunned, and many officers have quit following attacks.


Cruz said the confiscated .50-caliber, anti-aircraft machine gun can fire 800 rounds per minute and is capable of penetrating armor from more than 5,000 feet (1,500 meters). Police on a routine patrol Monday found the gun fitted atop an SUV at a house in northern Sonora state.

Authorities did not release any other details about the gun, including its make, where it was manufactured, or where it was sold.

The arrested suspect, Anahi Beltran Cabrera, apparently is not related to the Beltran Leyva clan, Cruz said.

The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has traced many guns seized at scenes of drug violence in Mexico to U.S. commercial sources. But determining the source of military-grade weapons such as grenades and fully automatic machine guns is more complicated.

The ATF says the grenades are mostly smuggled in through Central America, and have been traced back to the militaries of many countries, from South Korea to Spain and Israel. Some may be leftovers from the Central American civil wars.

Assailants have fired on government aircraft performing anti-drug missions in Mexico in the past, but apparently never with the caliber of weapon found Monday.

In 2006, a helicopter on a federal drug-eradication mission crashed while trying to escape ground fire, and a second helicopter was damaged by gunfire in the Pacific coast state of Guerrero.

Mexico is upgrading its northern and southern border checkpoints in an effort to detect and seize more guns and other contraband, installing equipment that will weigh and photograph each car and truck coming into the country.

President Barack Obama has promised to do more to stop gun trafficking from the United States to Mexico. He has pledged to dispatch nearly 500 more federal agents to the border, along with X-ray machines and drug-sniffing dogs.

Mexico's drug violence has claimed more than 10,650 lives since President Felipe Calderon launched a military-led offensive against trafficking cartels in December 2006.

In March, the government sent thousands more troops to the northern border to quell escalating violence. The government announced Sunday that drug-related homicides fell 26 percent across the country in the first three months of the year, compared to the same period in 2008.

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runrabbitrun
April 14, 2009, 04:41 PM
Yea they did.
They where selling them in the parking lot.
via the 'gun show loophole'. :D

kanook
April 14, 2009, 05:39 PM
did anybody notice that the 50 cal anti aircraft rifle in question is a 1919. I sure would like to see them try to make it fit.:neener:

indoorsoccerfrea
April 14, 2009, 05:47 PM
i saw an anti-air 50 cal at the indy gunshow last year. it was made from scratch by some guy to be semi-auto...i would have bought it if i had 5grand...

maskedman504
April 14, 2009, 05:50 PM
Drive by media for the win! :eek:

armoredman
April 14, 2009, 05:51 PM
A 30 cal 1919 on a ground tripod is an AA machine gun? Where's the AA tripod? Good grief.

metalhd9034
April 14, 2009, 05:54 PM
I like how the evil "Anti-Aircraft .50 Cal machine gun" even though it is captioned as such, isn't actually a .50 cal, but rather a Browning 1919 belt fed .30cal. The .50 that the author is talking about isn't shown in any of the pictures in this particular article. Only The Daily Mail has the picture with the much touted .50 Machine gun that has heat seeking bullets and various other nastiness. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1170064/Whats-nice-girl-like-doing-arsenal-like-Police-seize-20-year-old-guarding-vast-weapons-cache--including-anti-aircraft-gun.html If there is this many inaccuracies/exaggerations/errors in reporting about firearms, one has to wonder how much other stuff is just made up/incorrect etc. I love the media.

runrabbitrun
April 14, 2009, 05:59 PM
This is why many of us don't trust the media and why
we came to the internet.

What we are witnessing in this era
would be considered fiction just a few decades ago.

You can't make this stuff up. OMG

Gamera
April 14, 2009, 06:01 PM
Hey wait a minute... that's not an AA gun...

Lightninstrike
April 14, 2009, 06:03 PM
A 30 cal 1919 on a ground tripod is an AA machine gun? Where's the AA tripod? Good grief.

Zactly. I guess anything that can be pointed above the horizon qualifies as an anti-aircraft weapon. That means I have an anti-aircraft Glock !! :evil:

Gamera
April 14, 2009, 06:10 PM
Before I finished the article I thought they were talking about one of these...
http://www.tibranch.com/beachhead/graphics/webpg2aagunner.jpg

Hungry Seagull
April 14, 2009, 06:10 PM
Anything you can transport on a vehicle and point at the sky IS an anti aircraft weapon. The problem is sufficient caliber and metal punching power up to about 5ooo feet MSL or AGL sorry.

Im just waiting for the first of the news and police choppers to be shot down in the near future.

runrabbitrun
April 14, 2009, 06:16 PM
And you KNOW this stuff is coming from south of THEIR
southern border and by sea.

Old Hugo In Venezuela is raking in the dough man...
as are a lot of gun runners world wide.

GRAYRID3R
April 14, 2009, 06:22 PM
That could be a semi auto for all they know.

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct454.aspx

Gotta love the lamestream media!

Hungry Seagull
April 14, 2009, 06:25 PM
I refuse to advocate engaging aircraft in the sky.

But from what I learned around General Aviation in another life time, a slug in the right spot will bring down the airframe.

I think the concept of seeing criminals engage aircraft as outrageious and will cause me to throw stuff at the news media on teh TV set but think it would not be difficult to whistle up a few Apache Gunships to eradicate teh offending AA vehicle.

But all that stuff is down in Mexico way and far away from our safe world of congested freeways and rush hour living.

For now.

everallm
April 14, 2009, 06:41 PM
The nearest to an AA is this picture of a vehicle mounted 50 cal with a front armour plate.

http://www.elmanana.com.mx/upload/foto/9/1/5/dc7a02da-a614-4bc6-8bf1-237078c11838-big.jpg

jeff-10
April 14, 2009, 06:41 PM
If the cartels had any sense they would ditch the 1919s and get some MG42s...

Hungry Seagull
April 14, 2009, 06:44 PM
I have seen some secret service videos on Military dot com where some of thier SUV's have a hatch that opened up top to reveal two mini guns that will sprout a one hell of alot of metal very quickly.

Jeff White
April 14, 2009, 08:40 PM
Actually I've seen several 1919s at gunshows. Somehow I doubt the cartel bought a tax stamp for one though. :rolleyes:

Big Daddy Grim
April 14, 2009, 08:47 PM
If they seize anymore maybe they will have a gun show here and sell them.:rolleyes:

Isher
April 14, 2009, 08:54 PM
Anyone who reads and believes The Daily Mail deserves exactly what they get.

Wiliiam Randolph Hearst's yellow press empire pales by comparison.

isher

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