The greatness of Ted Nugent


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Grassman
April 14, 2009, 07:51 PM
Ted Nugent, rock star and avid bow hunter from Michigan, was being interviewed by a French journalist, an animal rights activist. The discussion came around to deer hunting.
The journalist asked, 'What do you think is the last thought in the head of a deer before you shoot him? Is it, 'Are you my friend?' or
is it 'Are you the one who killed my brother?'
Nugent replied, 'Deer aren't capable of that kind of thinking. All they care about is, what am I going to eat next, who am I going to screw next, and can I run fast enough to get away. They are very much like the French.'

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camoman33935
April 14, 2009, 07:56 PM
thats funny right there :D

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
April 14, 2009, 08:46 PM
May or may not be true. But he's a heck of an archer - have seem him nail the heart on an ungulate at 60 yards.

earlthegoat2
April 14, 2009, 08:58 PM
And I heard it was actually a British journalist.

Facts go astray when the media is involved.

bad_aim_billy
April 15, 2009, 02:27 AM
His Zebra-striped arrows have been scientifically proven to kill big game up to .1% more effectively.

PT1911
April 15, 2009, 02:30 AM
heard it... loved it.... all 57 times...LMAO

Ruger
April 15, 2009, 07:41 AM
Nugent for president 2012

shaggy430
April 15, 2009, 10:17 AM
I like him, but sometimes he goes a little too far to where he might actually be detrimental to the cause.

I met him once when I was a kid at a hunting show. He was kind of a jerk.

MCgunner
April 15, 2009, 10:43 AM
Sweaty Teddy is my hero. When attending a concert, required attire is camo. :D He usually ends his concerts by shooting something with his bow. The one I attended he shot an exploding guitar. I saw one on the net filmed during the desert shield/storm thing where he shot a mannequin of Saddam Hussein. That one was cool.

saturno_v
April 15, 2009, 10:47 AM
Nugent is an ignorant idiot

I would like to see how long he would last in a training camp with the Foreign Legion before they kick his ass to a pulp.....

I still have to understand what is be the problem with France that some evidently not very educated people seems to have....

MCgunner
April 15, 2009, 10:58 AM
French military history......


- Gallic Wars
- Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian. [Or at ths time in history, a Roman -ed.]

- Hundred Years War
- Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman." Sainted.

- Italian Wars
- Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.

- Wars of Religion
- France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots

- Thirty Years War
- France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

- War of Revolution
- Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

- The Dutch War
- Tied

- War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War
- Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.

- War of the Spanish Succession
- Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.

- American Revolution
- In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."

- French Revolution
- Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.

- The Napoleonic Wars
- Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

- The Franco-Prussian War
- Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

- World War I
- Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States [Entering the war late -ed.]. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

- World War II
- Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.

- War in Indochina
- Lost. French forces plead sickness; take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu

- Algerian Rebellion
- Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.

- War on Terrorism
- France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese ambassador fail after he takes refuge in a McDonald's.

The question for any country silly enough to count on the French should not be "Can we count on the French?", but rather "How long until France collapses?"

"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion. All you do is leave behind a lot of noisy baggage."

Or, better still, the quote from last week's Wall Street Journal: "They're there when they need you."

With only an hour and a half of research, Jonathan Duczkowski provided the following losses:

Norse invasions, 841-911.
After having their way with the French for 70 years, the Norse are bribed by a French King named Charles the Simple (really!) who gave them Normandy in return for peace. Normans proceed to become just about the only positive military bonus in France's [favour] for next 500 years.

Andrew Ouellette posts this in response:

1066 A.D. William The Conquerer Duke and Ruler of France Launches the Largest Invasion in the history of the world no other was as large until the same trip was taken in reverse on June 6th 1944 William Fights Harold for the Throne of England Which old king Edward rightfully left to William but Harold Usurped the throne Will fights the Saxons (English)wins and the French Rule England for the Next 80 Years. then the French start the largest building and economic infrastructure since the fall of the Roman Empire the Norman Economy skyrockets and the Normans inadvertantly start England to become a major world Power Vive La France-

Matt Davis posts this in response to Andrew Ouellette above:

Oh dear. We seem to have overlooked some basic facts. Firstly, Philip the First (1060 - 1108) was King of France at the time of the Norman invasion of 1066 - William was Duke of Normandy and, incidentally, directly descended from the Vikings. William was, therefore, as alien to France as the experience of victory. Since Philip did not invade England, the victory at Hastings was Norman - not French. Normandy may be a part of France now but it most certainly wasn't in 1066. Therefore, William's coronation as King of England had nothing whatsoever to do with the French. As usual, they were nowhere near the place when the fighting was going on. The mistaken belief that 1066 was a French victory leads to the Third Rule of French Warfare; "When incapable of any victory whatsoever - claim someone else's".

Mexico, 1863-1864.
France attempts to take advantage of Mexico's weakness following its thorough thrashing by the U.S. 20 years earlier ("Halls of Montezuma"). Not surprisingly, the only unit to distinguish itself is the French Foreign Legion (consisting of, by definition, non-Frenchmen). Booted out of the country a little over a year after arrival.

Panama jungles 1881-1890.
No one but nature to fight, France still loses; canal is eventually built by the U.S. 1904-1914.

Napoleonic Wars.
Should be noted that the Grand Armee was largely (~%50) composed of non-Frenchmen after 1804 or so. Mainly disgruntled minorities and anti-monarchists. Not surprisingly, these performed better than the French on many occasions.

Haiti, 1791-1804.
French defeated by rebellion after sacrificing 4,000 Poles to yellow fever. Shows another rule of French warfare; when in doubt, send an ally.

India, 1673-1813.
British were far more charming than French, ended up victors. Therefore the British are well known for their tea, and the French for their whine (er, wine...). Ensures 200 years of bad teeth in England.

Barbary Wars, middle ages-1830.
Pirates in North Africa continually harass European shipping in Meditteranean. France's solution: pay them to leave us alone. America's solution: kick their asses ("the Shores of Tripoli"). [America's] first overseas victories, won 1801-1815.

1798-1801, Quasi-War with U.S.
French privateers (semi-legal pirates) attack U.S. shipping. U.S. fights France at sea for 3 years; French eventually cave; sets precedent for next 200 years of Franco-American relations.

Moors in Spain, late 700s-early 800s.
Even with Charlemagne leading them against an enemy living in a hostile land, French are unable to make much progress. Hide behind Pyrennes until the modern day.

French-on-French losses (probably should be counted as victories too, just to be fair):

1208: Albigenses Crusade, French massacared by French.
When asked how to differentiate a heretic from the faithful, response was "Kill them all. God will know His own." Lesson: French are badasses when fighting unarmed men, women and children.

St. Bartholomew Day Massacre, August 24, 1572.
Once again, French-on-French slaughter.

Third Crusade.
Philip Augustus of France throws hissy-fit, leaves Crusade for Richard the Lion Heart to finish.

Seventh Crusade.
St. Louis of France leads Crusade to Egypt. Resoundingly crushed.

[Eighth] Crusade.
St. Louis back in action, this time in Tunis. See Seventh Crusade.

Also should be noted that France attempted to hide behind the Maginot line, sticking their head in the sand and pretending that the Germans would enter France that way. By doing so, the Germans would have been breaking with their traditional route of invading France, entering through Belgium (Napoleonic Wars, Franco-Prussian War, World War I, etc.). French ignored this though, and put all their effort into these defenses.

Thomas Whiteley has submitted this addition to me:

Seven year War 1756-1763
Lost: after getting hammered by Frederick the Great of Prussia (yep, the Germans again) at Rossbach, the French were held off for the remainder of the War by Frederick of Brunswick and a hodge-podge army including some Brits. War also saw France kicked out of Canada (Wolfe at Quebec) and India (Clive at Plassey).

Richard Mann, an American in France wants to add the following:

The French consider the departure of the French from Algeria in 1962-63, after 130 years on colonialism, as a French victory and especially consider C. de Gaulle as a hero for 'leading' said victory over the unwilling French public who were very much against the departure. This ended their colonialism. About 2 million ungrateful Algerians lost their lives in this shoddy affair.

H&Hhunter
April 15, 2009, 11:08 AM
I would like to see how long he would last in a training camp with the Foreign Legion

Using foreign nationals many of whom are thugs and criminals to do your dirty work. Another sign of bravery and national greatness.;)

saturno_v
April 15, 2009, 11:26 AM
So..what's the problem?? You judge a country only on his military history?? (never mind many listed "simplifications" not really historical facts).

So Sweden, Finland or Denmark are not decent countries because they have insignificant military histories??

We got tied in the Korean war and forced to an armistice.

We got our problem in a minuscole backward country like Vietnam where the French, wisely, suggested to stay out of it.

France historically is almost never been an overwhelmingly powerful country compared to his peers...England, Germany, etc... it's not easy to draw comparisons with the United States.

The French went to war with us on Desert Storm (with a socialist president at that time)....actually French and British warplanes did the first sortie.

Intelligently they kept out of our useless war in Iraq that is bankrupting us.

They have one of the best mobile crisis reaction force that intervene in hot places (as they proved over and over in Africa)

They are always ready to send the peacekeeping forces everywhere.

Training in the Foreign Legion is one of the harshest in the world as even many Americans can confirm.

Despite being a small country, they strive to mantain their technological independence, developing their own aerospace industry...they have the largest aircraft carrier in service after ours.

They are friends..they like Americans, I felt extremely welcomed over there.

Thye just had problem with our mentally challenged former president as many of us did.

It is a great country with one of the highest quality of living with leading industries...ever been there??

saturno_v
April 15, 2009, 11:30 AM
Using foreign nationals many of whom are thugs and criminals to do your dirty work. Another sign of bravery and national greatness.

Do you have any statistics that tells you what is the ratio of foreign VS French in the foreign legion??

Since the 60's you need to have a "mostly" clean criminal record to join the legion otherwise you get expelled.

All officers and NCO are French.

We recruited not exactly clen people too in our armed forces.

Poor people usually go to war....everywhere.

.45Guy
April 15, 2009, 11:35 AM
You'd be amazed at who may be considering joining the legion...

Hello,

In answer to your email, we address a documentation (enclosure) to you which summarizes the essence of what it is necessary to know about the methods of engagement for the Foreign legion.

IMPORTANT:

a) For any medical problem only an army medical officer is entitled to rule on yours case. This is done exclusively within the framework of the visit of engagement.
b) For all the cases concerning justice the answer to your question can be done only after one preliminary discussion with a recruiter in a Station of Information Foreign legion (P.I.L.E.) or a Station of Recruitment Foreign legion (P.R.L.E.).

Any volunteer, whatever his nationality and his country of origin must be presented in one of the stations of recruitment or information of the Foreign legion in Metropolitan France (idem for the residents in the DOM & TOM), with a valid identity paper.

It can present every day of the year in an office of the Foreign legion, nevertheless we advise you to come in the week from 9:00 to 17:00 to facilitate the administrative tasks.

Lodging and the food are ensured throughout the period of recruitment.

The candidate will then be subjected to operations of selection and orientation during one period of approximately 04 weeks, and this without any contact with outside.

We draw your attention to the following points:

· recruitment is opened to the men (and only to the men) 17 years ½ at 40 years.
No exemptions before and after these crenels.

· The Foreign legion cannot grant any support in your administrative approaches to you to obtain a visa (nationals except the EEC).

· The Foreign legion cannot financially help you for your project of voyage.

It is strongly advised to you to have a ticket return in order not to find you in infringement with respect to the French legislation on the stay from abroad.

If its candidature is approved, the volunteer will be authorized to subscribe one 05 years duration an unconditional contract minimum. In the contrary case and whatever is the reason, it will be immediately returned to the civil life.

Personal businesses has to take to present to you :

· At least 01 valid identity paper, therefore minimum a valid passport with or without Visa for the foreigners at the European Community (otherwise an indentity card for the nationals of the EEC).

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· 01 pair of sport shoe,

· complete Toilet bag (brushes with tooth, towel, foam to be shaved and razor, soap),

· Maximum 30 to 60 € of pocket money (in small cuts).

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· Convey/motor bike,

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· etc…


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saturno_v
April 15, 2009, 11:40 AM
You'd be amazed at who may be considering joining the legion...


People may consider.....but people get expelled too after background checks....I know that as a fact...minor brushes with the law may be ok...nothing major

.45Guy
April 15, 2009, 11:41 AM
:DMy record is clean...

H&Hhunter
April 15, 2009, 11:44 AM
Do you have any statistics that tells you what is the ratio of foreign VS French in the foreign legion??

Since the 60's you need to have a clean criminal record to join the legion otherwise you get expelled.

All officers and NCO are French.

We recruited not exactly clen people too in our armed forces.

Poor people usually go to war....everywhere.

Saturno,

RELAX I was making a joke and did not intend to insult your national heritage. And for the record besides being to old there is no FRICKIN way that my fat butt would get through Foreign Legion training.

Now as far as Nugent goes he has a saying which I think everyone will agree with. You might not like what I have to say but it's impossible to ignore me.

saturno_v
April 15, 2009, 11:47 AM
H&H

I'm not French at all :D:D

Who "mostly" would agree with Nugent statement about the French?? The vast majority of Americans have no problems with France....they love it when they go there...

You cannot beat their baguettes and croissants!!! :D:D

By the way when my wife's uncle developed a rare form of bone cancer, for that particular disease the best treatment available in the world was in France...he got his life saved.

.45Guy
April 15, 2009, 11:53 AM
I'm still in the planning stages at the moment.

H&Hhunter
April 15, 2009, 11:54 AM
Saturno,

Anytime a life is saved that is good news!

.45guy are you going to join the F.F.L? If nothing else it would be one hell of a story to tell your grand kids. I think you should do it.

saturno_v
April 15, 2009, 11:55 AM
I had great time with the folks from the Legion in Namibia.
There were couple of Americans as well.

saturno_v
April 15, 2009, 11:58 AM
Amonf the few things I do not like about France is their restrictive gun laws and their often fugly cars...:D:D

.45Guy
April 15, 2009, 12:00 PM
I'm considering it at the moment. I've already done several branches here at home, and frankly, it's time for a change of scenery.

saturno_v
April 15, 2009, 12:04 PM
45Guy


If you join and you pass the torture test, try to get assigned in New Caledonia or French Polynesia...is abosolutely SPECTACULAR there..

Do you speak French already???

.45Guy
April 15, 2009, 12:09 PM
Three years in highschool, largely forgotten, but I reckon it would probably come back quickly given the circumstances!:)

MCgunner
April 15, 2009, 01:13 PM
I don't hate France or the French, I just find the jokes funny. :D

I do like the Nuge's attitude while talking to a French PETA type reporter, though, I mean, if it really happened. A lot of this internet e-m stuff, the vast majority, is contrived. I can only admire the Nuge's quick wit if it did happen as written. :D He is a lot quicker with the wit, though, than some vice presidents who I know of that claim to say things witty and can't back up the stories. :rolleyes: LOL

MCgunner
April 15, 2009, 02:47 PM
Well, apparently this one's true. :D

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/nugent.asp

Maplicito
April 15, 2009, 03:07 PM
Saturnus, how much time did you spend over there? The baguettes are great.

I agree with you on the cars... mostly... except the area I was in had an awful lot of high profile Italian and German cars.

Firearms - other than an old rifle a fellow I knew there used for boar hunting, I only ever saw law enforcement with firearms. As much as I complain about gun control here in Canada, France is definitely worse.

Dark Skies
April 15, 2009, 03:13 PM
I'd have thought Americans would love the French for the decisive victory over the British at Yorktown and especially the blockade by the French fleet under Admiral De Grasse which prevented supplies getting to Cornwallis.

If it weren't for them you'd be flying the Union flag, saluting Her Majesty, and could properly spell the words 'colour' and 'aluminium'. :)

Deer Hunter
April 15, 2009, 03:21 PM
I'll give the French one thing.

Every Frenchman I have ever met has been more courteous and polite than every Brit I've ever met.

Maybe I met the wrong people, but the Brits were rather stand-offish and rude. The French on the other hand were pretty nice to me, especially if I approached them in French.

H&Hhunter
April 15, 2009, 03:23 PM
I'd have thought Americans would love the French for the decisive victory over the British at Yorktown and especially the blockade by the French fleet under Admiral De Grasse which prevented supplies getting to Cornwallis.

If it weren't for them you'd be flying the Union flag, saluting Her Majesty, and could properly spell the words 'colour' and 'aluminium'.

Right you are sir!:D

saturno_v
April 15, 2009, 03:58 PM
Everytime I go back to Europe (every 2 years or so) I try to spend few days in France.
One French thing I really cannot stand is their terrible Accordion music!!! :D:D:neener::neener:

I love the Pate' (Duck Liver), the cheeses and their pastry!!

Well, apparently this one's true.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/nugent.asp

Again I would love to see how the "great Ted' would fare after few meatgrinding days during Foreing Legion mountain combat training in the Pyrenees mountains...one guy that served in the USMC told me it was beyond real....

T.R.
April 15, 2009, 04:04 PM
I often watch "Spirit of the Wild" on Tuesday at 7:30PM. Uncle Ted shares valueable archery info about BEST drop-away rest, arrows, release aid, and broadhead that would cost $100.'s to find out on your own. His vast experience can not be denied.

I don't appreciate his enthusiasm for killing animals. Yes, I'm a hunter but do not behave as he does after the kill shot is complete. But I'm mature enough to realize we're all different in unique ways so I won't belabor this point.

The Nuge has a tender heart for the Wounded Warriors and disabled folks. This is a genuine stand-out quality that shows what kind of man he truly is. I admire this quality very much. America needs more men like Ted Nugent. (Captain Backstrap)

TR

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/rushmoreman/PAwoodswtbuck.jpg

Dark Skies
April 15, 2009, 04:15 PM
Deer Hunter
"I'll give the French one thing.
Every Frenchman I have ever met has been more courteous and polite than every Brit I've ever met."

==========================
'Appen as maybe, but when you need some fighting done it's the Brits America turns to.'

Afy
April 15, 2009, 04:33 PM
Hey Saturno... I live in France partly. And I can tell you.. French gun laws are amongst the most liberal in Europe. I am not an EE/EU citizen... and have a few decent weapons.

MCgunner
April 15, 2009, 06:52 PM
I'm watching Glenn Beck at the Alamo tea party. Nugent is providing guitar inspiration. It's pretty danged cool, especially all the Texas battle flags. I love it!

http://www.tamu.edu/ccbn/dewitt/images/dimmitsarmflg.gif

alsaqr
April 15, 2009, 09:57 PM
I am not a Ted Nugent fan. Nugent talks his trash. However, when it was time for Nugent to serve in the US Army he dodged the draft.


Since we've been discussing Ted Nugent lately, this seemed a good time to bring up Nugent's draft dodging. It's well known that Nugent claims to have gone to great lengths to flunk his Draft Board physical. What's not so well-known is that he got a student deferment at the same time he was touring with his rock band, putting in an average of 300 shows a year. How was he going to school and touring that much at the same time?

One of our readers sent me a copy of an extract of Nugent’s Selective Service records, obtained via a FOIA request (copy below). As you can see, Nugent received student deferments in 1967 (1-S) and 1968 (2-S). But according to the Internet Movie Data Base website, Nugent has been “performing professionally since 1958, non-stop yearly touring since 1967, averaging more than 300 shows per year '67-73.” Hmm, that would include the two years he was supposedly too wrapped up in his studies to be serving his country


http://crooksandliars.com/2007/08/27/ted-nugent-draft-dodging-coward/

Except when it was time to register for the draft during the Vietnam era. By his own admission, Nugent stopped all forms of personal hygiene for a month and showed up for his draft board physical in pants caked with his own urine and feces, winning a deferment. Creative!...

Floppy_D
April 15, 2009, 10:02 PM
How is this still open?

Speedo66
April 15, 2009, 10:25 PM
"So Sweden, Finland, or Denmark are not decent countries because they have insignificant military histories?"

Sorry, but they have THE military history.

Ever heard of the Vikings?

They ruled every place they set foot, including all the countries ringing the Baltic.

It finally took the might of Russia with Peter the Great to stop a small army of Vikings. Russia by the way gets it's name from the Vikings, Rus meaning red, the color THEY gave to the local hair.

Same in Ireland, where THEY settled Dublin.

The English had a prayer invoking God to protect them from the Vikings.

As previously stated it was the Normans (Norsemen or men of the north or Vikings)) who won the battle of Hastings in 1066.

I wouldn't call that military history insignificant.

Anyway, isn't this site about guns, doesn't Ted shoot bows? :rolleyes:

PT1911
April 15, 2009, 10:29 PM
Anyway, isn't this site about guns, doesn't Ted shoot bows?

actually.. he shoots just about anything and everything he can get his hands on...:neener:

Dark Skies
April 15, 2009, 10:36 PM
Normans were from ...er ... Normandy in France. I think it was the only war the French won against us (if you don't count your war of Independance where they helped out). And to be fair to Harold he had just marched all the way down from York after delivering a bloody good kicking to Hardråda's Vikings. That's a march of about 300 miles with a battle at both ends of it.

lgbloader
April 15, 2009, 11:24 PM
Nugent is an ignorant idiot

I am only going to say this.

Saturno, I would like to see you debate with Ted some time. You would be surprised on how much information this fellow actually has in his head.

LGB

PT1911
April 15, 2009, 11:28 PM
I think people seriously underestimate how intelligent he is.. and that is all I have to say bout that..:neener:

shaggy430
April 15, 2009, 11:44 PM
I am not a Ted Nugent fan. Nugent talks his trash. However, when it was time for Nugent to serve in the US Army he dodged the draft.

Never knew this. Like I said, I met him when I was a kid. I thought he was a jerk.

I think he goes to far in some of the things he says. He reinforces views of people who agree with him and turn off people who could possibly be turned to a more pro-hunting point of view. Isn't that the whole goal- to win over people who are on the fence? It's not the anti-hunters who we need to fight, it's the indifference of people who don't care either way and are likely to get swayed in the opposite direction if our spokesman is some half-a$$ed foul mouthed wanna-be rock star who glorifies the blood and guts aspect.

H&Hhunter
April 15, 2009, 11:58 PM
if our spokesman is some half-a$$ed foul mouthed wanna-be rock star who glorifies the blood and guts aspect.

Yo shaggy,

There is much you can say about Ted but "half a$$ed, and wanna be rock star" ain't it.

Ted was huge back in the 70's and 80's. I realize that you don't like the man but that statement is B.S.!

MCgunner
April 16, 2009, 12:30 AM
Normans were from ...er ... Normandy in France.

Yes, but King Williams's own family was of Viking ancestry. The Vikings conquered Normandy in the 9th/10th centuries. Of course, nobility such as William "the Bastard", later William the Conqueror, who was the bastard son of a Norman duke, was of Viking decent. So, in a way, his defeat of King Harold was a victory for the Vikings, well, sorta. LOL!

saturno_v
April 16, 2009, 12:46 AM
"So Sweden, Finland, or Denmark are not decent countries because they have insignificant military histories?"

Sorry, but they have THE military history.

Ever heard of the Vikings?

They ruled every place they set foot, including all the countries ringing the Baltic.

It finally took the might of Russia with Peter the Great to stop a small army of Vikings. Russia by the way gets it's name from the Vikings, Rus meaning red, the color THEY gave to the local hair.

Same in Ireland, where THEY settled Dublin.

The English had a prayer invoking God to protect them from the Vikings.

As previously stated it was the Normans (Norsemen or men of the north or Vikings)) who won the battle of Hastings in 1066.

I wouldn't call that military history insignificant.

Anyway, isn't this site about guns, doesn't Ted shoot bows?

The Vikings predate the very countries of Sweden, Norway, Finland and Denmark.

So the Italians have one of the greatest military history in the world...at the time of the Roman empire they ruled the world!!

I am only going to say this.

Saturno, I would like to see you debate with Ted some time. You would be surprised on how much information this fellow actually has in his head.

LGB

Maybe so but definitely he made an ignorant statement about the French...

P.S.

Oh yes!!! I forgot about Teddy draft dodging.....thanks for reminding me that....

lgbloader
April 16, 2009, 01:15 AM
ignorant statement about the French...

I think he was just stating his opinion, just like you are stating your opinion. I hate to say this, Mate but there are quite a few people on the planet that share his opinion about the French. I am not saying my opinion is relevant here but I did get the chance to live in Central Europe for 7 years and go back there quite often. You would be surprised what alot of Europe thinks of France.

I've been to France several times and I personally have never had any issues while I was there. But I wonder why so many people i met in my life have a somewhat negative opinion of the French.

Kinda makes you wonder... Just my $0.02 worth of food for thought.

LGB

PT1911
April 16, 2009, 01:27 AM
This may come as a bit of a shock to some of you.... but a lot of the world doesnt like Americans... but I am not gonna bitch and moan about it....

I will just smile and be happy I am not Canadian... LMAO

Point is, everyone is hated by someone for whatever reason.. have the French been cowards at some point in time? yes..... are Americans Fat and self consumed? Some are (most) .....Do Mexicans Pile into more people into a tiny car than should be possible? I've seen it.... Do Canadians talk funny and lend themselves to the position of comic relief? Depends who you ask, but pretty much.....

GROW UP... Take it like a man..(just not like a frenchman) LMAO!!!:neener:

TimM
April 16, 2009, 02:22 AM
The vast majority of Americans have no problems with France....they love it when they go there...

Correct, we like France - not the French.

saturno_v
April 16, 2009, 02:44 AM
Correct, we like France - not the French.

No..the vast majority of well travelled Americans like France and the French....

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
April 16, 2009, 12:31 PM
This is insane! Why in the HECK are you people debating French history, military, & society when (a) Nugent probably never even said that to begin with (snopes ain't the end-all, be-all), and (b) even if he did, it's certainly not hunting or gun-related, in any way, shape, or form.

This is the HUNTING forum, folks.

Talk about Nugent's hunting skills and adventures or please keep it to yourself or take it over to www.armedpolitesociety.com .

Thank you for your cooperation.

CoRoMo
April 16, 2009, 12:42 PM
While this is an odd topic for this forum, it looks like the Nuge did say this, and it's no surprise. Also, his comments were regarding the final thoughts of a hunted animal. Uncle Ted, himself, will always be gun related, and discussions about his breakfast should be viewed through the lens of the 2nd Amendment. I don't see much of a problem with this topic other than the French discussion (which seems to be the bulk of the thread).

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
April 16, 2009, 01:03 PM
Exactly. You just said it - it's "the bulk of the thread", and 100% off-topic.

The Nuge is always hunting-related, true, so let's talk about the Nuge, not the French (whether he said that or not).

And the Nuge is right, deer don't think about "oh is that guy gonna kill me; what about my kids and family and friends?" - they just think "is everything ok, or is something hinky where I should run away?"

Gaiudo
April 16, 2009, 01:39 PM
I've spent years traveling and living in Brazil, Italy, France, Germany, and Israel for a bit as well. I'd have to say that I like France and the French - outside of Paris. The Parisians are a different breed - considered so by the French themselves.

I wouldn't say that the vast majority of well travelled Americans like the French, only because most Americans only hit Paris, which is populated honestly by generally not so nice people. I can't personally stand the bourgeoisie elitism feigning their all-knowing ethics.

However, keeping this hunting related, once you get out in the countryside, it changes. Sainte-Croix, a place I spent a couple weeks climbing, has some of the nicest folks you'll ever meet (and daily hot baguettes!) We saw some wonderful partridge, pheasant, and boar (in fact, I got chased out of my sleeping bag by a wild boar while camping solo up in the mountains one evening!). Would love to go back and do some hunting.

http://www.gourmetfly.com/LaChasse.htm

I bet the Nuge would take up the opportunity to arrow some of those stag.

BamaBob
April 16, 2009, 01:47 PM
The motor city mad man kicks arse..... the french not so much. He makes great arguments even when he is not speaking.

Art Eatman
April 16, 2009, 10:00 PM
DANG!!! I headed east on Tuesday, and folks had been acting like they thought this was the Hunting forum.

1,400 miles later, I log on and find this garbage? Shame!

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