Ammo Shortage and Competition Attendance


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Incrediblerod
April 15, 2009, 12:26 AM
I am going to a pin match next weekend. A friend of mine said he is not going because he doen't want to use up the ammo he has "knocking bowling pins off a table".
I haven't been to a match in a while but was wondering if attendance is dropping elsewhere due to the low supply of ammo and reloading components.

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catspa
April 15, 2009, 12:38 AM
One less guy you have to beat. Hope you clean 'em every stage...good luck.

Parker

cliffy
April 15, 2009, 12:45 AM
This strikes me as being a serious question. When has demand overpowered supply in America regarding anything? Why can't American companies supply the demand? MONEY is to be made to spur our economy, so what is the problem? cliffy

mokin
April 15, 2009, 02:15 AM
A lack of ammunition and/or components has caused me to find other reasons to not attend matches recently. From talking to the guys who still attend it does seem that participation is down a little.

bottom shelf
April 15, 2009, 07:30 AM
Why can't American companies supply the demand?

At least some claim to be running at full capacity. Not only can demand exceed supply, but it can exceed production capability, and I think that's what we're seeing.

Nuke8401
April 15, 2009, 07:40 AM
I used to shoot 3-5 IDPA matches a month. :) I now shoot 1 a month because I can't reclaim brass at these events. :mad: As long as I can get reloading supplies I can continue to practice and shoot matches where I can pickup MY brass. Primers have been the only out of stock item I have run into concerning reloading supplies. There is no way I could find/buy/afford :cuss: enough factory ammo to shoot 5 matches a month.:mad:

45Badger
April 15, 2009, 09:24 AM
Matches here are overflowing with people. Tons of new shooters.

jcwit
April 15, 2009, 09:40 AM
When has demand overpowered supply in America regarding anything

It's happened with other products, toilet paper back in the 60's or 70's, happened with 20 and 30 lb LP bottles in the 70's and with other supplies.

How do I know,I was Purchasing Agent for the largest "at that time" RV Mfg. Hard to sell and ship RV's without LP bottles.

hardluk1
April 15, 2009, 11:00 AM
I talked to mid sized ammo company about low suppy and the reply was that they are makeing all they can and to produce more would require adding equipment and people along with building space for what could take a year + plus to get in to production and by then supplies is expected to start to catch up to demand then they would still have to keep prices up because of the resent investment. So we bide our time. When you can walk in to a gun shop and find several of the small light guns you have been wanting for a years and ammo is on the sheilf too ,its over.

Wayne02
April 15, 2009, 06:09 PM
Service rifle and shotgun seem like they may be down just a bit, but the various bullseye and benchrest compeitions are still strong.

30 cal slob
April 15, 2009, 06:34 PM
it's not just affecting competition.

training too!

my ammo tab for an upcoming 1,800 round carbine course was in excess of the class tuition paid! :banghead:

bflobill_69
April 15, 2009, 07:05 PM
Its truly a real problem here in Northcentral AZ...

...time to finally buy some reloading equip...

Bflobill69

rugerman07
April 15, 2009, 07:45 PM
This strikes me as being a serious question. When has demand overpowered supply in America regarding anything? Why can't American companies supply the demand? MONEY is to be made to spur our economy, so what is the problem? That's a very good question. Our economy is in dire straits, people are losing their jobs left & right. What about our ammo industry? Are they feeling the pinch of our declining economy? Are they laying off employees? If I had the money to spare and was looking to buy stock I'd buy as much stock as I could in both the ammo & firearms market because their sales are SKYROCKETING and so are their over inflated prices. WAKE UP fellow gun owners, we are being milked by industries that we have fought for tooth-n-nail in support of our 2nd amendment rights and now they're screwing us because they claim they can't keep up with supply & demand??? BULL....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hardluk1
April 15, 2009, 08:10 PM
rugerman07 If you read what i put up earlier it all about the cost and time to gear up and then they feel it will be over and back to normal. It would take a year or better to set up.

TonyDedo
April 15, 2009, 08:46 PM
What's the point of having guns if you're not going to shoot them???

Sixtigers
April 15, 2009, 10:21 PM
There are more rimfire matches here now than before. It has replaced some centerfire matches.

owlhoot
April 15, 2009, 11:09 PM
Virtually all of my friends and most of the people I know are reloaders.

They and I shoot a great deal. Most of us shoot in competition at least two or three times each month year round.

We order reloading components in bulk, and I do mean bulk, from either a distributor or the factory in some cases. Ten or fifteen of us will order at a time. This cuts costs very considerably, and it insures that we always have what we need.

I never purchase fewer than 10,000 primers or bullets at a time, usually more. My friends do the same. If one of us should run out of components before an order is put in, some one of us will lend him a thousand of whatever he needs.

So, no, none of us have been affected by the ammo/component shortage. We were all affected, however, when lead prices shot through the roof over a year ago. Fortunately, prices are back down now. So while the prices are low, I will be adding additional bullets and shot. Primer costs have not come down. We have switched to Russian, Chinese, and Korean primers and they are as reliable as Federal and Winchester at substantially less money. Powder prices have not come down either, but we buy by the five and eight pound container and rarely less than a hundred pounds, and that helps costs.

If you don't reload, I urge you to give it a try. It is easy and safe if you exercise a little care. And it will save you a bushel of money.

Glockzilla20
April 15, 2009, 11:19 PM
My SP primers are on backorder. Any idea who has some in stock? I, too, prefer bulk buying.

rugerman07
April 18, 2009, 11:23 PM
rugerman07 If you read what i put up earlier it all about the cost and time to gear up and then they feel it will be over and back to normal. It would take a year or better to set up. So, you think in a year from now ammo prices will be back to normal? WRONG! Mark my word, ammo prices will continue to skyrocket.

jcwit
April 18, 2009, 11:44 PM
Will ammo prices continue to skyrocket? Nobody knowes unless their crystal ball is much better than mine.

Last summer gas was $4.00 a gal., who woulda thought $2.00 today.

Mark my word no one knows what the future holds, not even the weatherman.

Sunray
April 19, 2009, 12:14 AM
"...he doesn't want to use up the ammo he has..." He say what he is going to do with it? Just curious.
"...Are they laying off employees?..." Yep. Forget who, where and how many people but one company, Stateside, closed a plant. Ammo, I think. Due to a lack of sales. Wasn't one of the big manufacturers.
Diesel fuel prices are still causing increased shipping costs. Everything you have came to you in a truck.

Mags
April 19, 2009, 12:27 AM
The question is are the ammo companies actually charging more or is it your local gun store? I noticed ammo at one gun store is far cheaper than another and if you look at cheaper than dirt's prices compared to cabela's or midway's and you will see cheaper than dirt's prices are crazy high.

rugerman07
April 19, 2009, 01:18 AM
Diesel fuel prices are still causing increased shipping costs. Everything you have came to you in a truck. Your right! And...even though the price of diesel fuel has gone down, the price of consumer goods hasn't.

mgkdrgn
April 19, 2009, 12:39 PM
Nice idea .... if only there were any primers to be had.


Its truly a real problem here in Northcentral AZ...

...time to finally buy some reloading equip...

Bflobill69

krpen71
April 19, 2009, 01:11 PM
You can't blame anybody but the people who are hoarding ammo just give it about a year. I know some people who have thousands of rounds of different ammo and after it sits in their closet or garage for 6 or 8 months the wife is gonna be on them to get rid of some of it and you'll be able to get i at the gun shows for cheap. And i just bought a box of 270 shells for $19 at bass pro and i found a box in the bottom of my gun cabinet i bought at least 20 years ago and the price was $11.99 not too much of an increase from what i can see. The only thing that has jumped around here is pistol ammo because of hoarding but if i was going to hoard for what ever reason it would be rifle ammo not pistol. I suggest people relax and don't buy it unless you need it and the price will come down quicker. Simple supply and demand. After 9-11 you couldn't find a pistol around here but a year later the pawn shops were loaded with them. I just wish i would have bought a couple hundred boxes of 380 shells about 6 months ago at 8 bucks a box people are getting 35 to 40 a box right now.

LoneCoon
April 19, 2009, 06:50 PM
I didn't go to a competition two weeks ago because I couldn't find any ammo for the guns I wanted to use. So I guess there is that anecdote.

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