[shotgunjoel]

I just read that Obama is not going to try to put in a new AWB! He says that instead he will ENFORCE laws about transferring guns across the border. What great news, sorry if I'm way late on this one. Here's the story.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090417/ap_on_go_pr_wh/lt_obama_mexico

[General Geoff]

He really doesn't have much choice. Supporting an assault weapons ban would be political suicide.



Keep the pressure on, guys. WE are the reason WHY supporting a new AWB is political suicide.

[shotgunjoel]

Yes it would be suicide, but I'm just glad he gave up on that one.

[catspa]

It's nice of him to say that, but watch what he does.

Parker

[Lone_Gunman]

He has not given up. Reinstating the AWB is still on his agenda at the whitehouse.gov website. They are temporarily deferring a new AWB, since they are afraid they will lose midterm elections.

[jnyork]

Trust but verify. :uhoh:

[Marcus5aurelius]

Watch his actions, not his words.

[RevolvingCylinder]

Keep telling yourself Deal Leader can do no wrong.

MEXICO CITY, Mexico (CNN) — Reviving a ban on assault weapons, along with more strictly enforcing existing gun laws, could help tamp down drug violence that has run rampant on the U.S.-Mexican border, President Barack Obama said Thursday.

Speaking alongside Mexican President Felipe Calderon, with whom he’d just completed a wide-ranging meeting that included talk of the deadly border situation, Obama said he has “not backed off at all” on a campaign pledge to try to restore the ban, which was instituted under President Bill Clinton and allowed to lapse by President George W. Bush.

“I continue to believe that we can respect and honor the Second Amendment right in our Constitution — the rights of sportsmen and hunters and homeowners that want to keep their families safe — to lawfully bear arms, while dealing with assault weapons that, as we know here in Mexico, are used to fuel violence,” Obama said.

Calderon said that the link between Mexican drug violence and the ban on 19 types of military-style semi-automatic rifles — which lapsed in 2004 — is clear. “From the moment the the prohibition on the sale of assault weapons was lifted a few years ago, we have seen an increase in the power of organized crime in Mexico,” Calderon said.

[Old Fuff]

Did his lips move...? :uhoh: :scrutiny:

Reviving a ban on assault weapons, along with more strictly enforcing existing gun laws,

Yup! They did! They really, really did...

[ny32182]

Give him a minute; he will "change his mind".

[JonB]

Don't trust what he says. He is a master at telling people what they want to hear. His political agenda has not changed..

[Pack]

Would that we could/would enforce border traffic coming this way.

[Adam2340]

Glad he finally came out and said it so no one can deny it. It's on.

[Ned Kelly]

I would have to admit that the massive noise that certian groups are voicing lately has caused some serious concerns amongst our government.

Thank you Ron Paul!! :)

[Deer Hunter]

When did we sink so low as to actually believe the words of politicians?

[FiREhAwk]

Yep it is all the assault weapons going to Mexico since the ban was lifted, and not the economy and fact that the Federales have pushed harder against the Cartels, that has caused this mess. :banghead:

[Eschaton]

Just saw this on Fox News website. Made me and my buddies all very happy :).

[jerkface11]

We need him to push for an AWB. Political suicide is a GOOD thing for any career politician.

[Blue .45]

American gun bans have failed to reduce gang crimes in America. Does Mexico's president really think an American gun ban will reduce gang crimes in Mexico? :cuss:

If Mexico bans drugs, will this end illegal drug use in America?

[Ned Kelly]

We need him to push for an AWB. Political suicide is a GOOD thing for any career politician.


Actually no. A person like Obama may be easier to bend toward not restricting gun rights due to his percarious position.

Remember that "Pro-gun" Bush signed the "Veterans disarmament act" which is probably one of the most hideous attacks on the right to bear arms. Probably ranks at least three and possibly at number 2. The 1934 NFA being number 1.

That act was more devestating to the 2nd amendment than Clinton's Assault weapon ban of the 90s.

So regardless of the politician in office there are other factors that must be considered.

[PhilA]

This is from a CNN story of the same meeting. Wonder which one got it right.

"Speaking alongside Mexican President Felipe Calderón, Obama said he has "not backed off at all" on a campaign pledge to try to restore the ban. It was instituted under President Clinton and allowed to lapse by President George W. Bush."

Granted, as the article acknowledges, he'd be pissing up a very tall tree on this one...but we're not done on this issue.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/16/obama.latin.america/index.html

[Ned Kelly]

Looks like political suicide is on the table again

I bet Texas will not recognize an Assault weapons ban. I wish I lived there.

[Tommygunn]

Obama may have backed off.....
IF the kongress passes one and sends it to Obamarx, do you think he'll veto it?

It doesn't have to be Obama's idea.....

[Ned Kelly]

Here was some text from CBS that enlightens what Obama said more concisely.


“I have not backed off at all from my belief that the assault weapons ban makes sense, and I continue to believe that we can respect and honor the second amendment right in our Constitution,” he said during a press conference with Calderon.
“Having said that,” he continued, “I think none of us are under any illusion that reinstating that ban will be easy. So what we focused on is how we can improve enforcement of our existing law.”



Could be he is acknowledging defeat but still wants to save face for his anti-gun cronies.

[TRGRHPY]

Glad he finally came out and said it so no one can deny it.

Can you tell me one thing that he hasn't already lied about?

[RP88]

so, what he basically said was: "If we had enough votes and enough of a majority where we could afford the political suicide without losing control of congress, I would be pushing for it."

[jackdanson]

Keep the pressure on, guys. WE are the reason WHY supporting a new AWB is political suicide.

+1 million to that.

We need to keep it up. If they know that gun bans are political suicide no one will vote for them.

[Gamera]

Keep the pressure on, guys. WE are the reason WHY supporting a new AWB is political suicide.

Yup!

[Wyo_F-A]

It's funny...CNN.com has it as Obama is all about the AWB, while foxnews.com has it as he is against. I do think that the Obama will sign a new AWB if he gets re-elected, but not until then. Signing anything that limits the 2A would be political suicide.

[Grey_Mana]

Did anyone listen to NPR radio yesterday afternoon (Thursday 4/16/2009)? The NPR 'analyst' said that President Obama would work with Mexico to write a new treaty to prevent the flow of weapons south. Whoever they interviewed noted that a treaty would allow him to:
-circumvent the House of Representatives (although not the Senate)
-circumvent the 2nd amendment (Article 2 Section 2 power) and previous court rulings

I couldn't tell from their 'reporting' whether it was something the Whitehouse had proposed, or whether it was something they want the Whitehouse to propose.

[Nuke8401]

I uderstand obama will push the passage of "CIFTA". Does anyone know the potential impact one gun rights?


Amnesty International USA applauds the president’s reported plans to tackle the proliferation of small arms and light weapons by calling on the U.S. Senate to ratify the Organization of American States (OAS) Firearms Convention that has contributed to massive human rights violations in Latin America over the past decade.

Inter-American Convention Against Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms (CIFTA (http://www.state.gov/p/wha/rls/49907.htm))

[Duke of Doubt]

Grey Mana: "Did anyone listen to NPR radio yesterday afternoon (Thursday 4/16/2009)? The NPR 'analyst' said that President Obama would work with Mexico to write a new treaty to prevent the flow of weapons south. Whoever they interviewed noted that a treaty would allow him to:
-circumvent the House of Representatives (although not the Senate)
-circumvent the 2nd amendment (Article 2 Section 2 power) and previous court rulings"

The Senate would never ratify a "Treaty" purporting to abrogate the Second Amendment, as most Senators, corrupt though they may be, recognize that such action really WOULD result in a revolution. None of those fat boys want to be Ceaucescued.

[dogngun]

Been a Dem all my life, and a dhooter since age 10 - over 50 years ago.
Love my FAL, carry legally for over 15 years now. MILLIONS of Democrats own and like their guns - we have been working on the Democratic Party big shots to change their ideas for many years, and I believe we finally made progress - they realise they need gun owners votes, what politics - of any party - is all about.

The NRA is even starting to support pro gun Democrats, even donating $ to their PAC's, etc.

That old stuff about the GOP being the gun owner's friend is not true - Brady Bunch are REPUBLICANS! The head of the Brady organization as well as the head of Handgun Control are both Republicans.

Democratic party is not the enemy of gun owners.

mark

[Throwingdown]

Watch what they do, not what they say.
Unfortunately, this issue is just part of what is wrong with almost everyone in our government right now, and what they are doing to this country. Our econonmy, our money, our jobs, our constitution.

It used to be that the government existed for the people by the people, now its like a 900lb. tick - and the people exist to keep the government alive.

They will try to take them eventually. First restrict sales, then register them, then comes the confiscation. They are doing it incrementally.

I hear people say that will never happen here. Yeah, they said the same thing in England before they banned guns, now crime is through the roof.

[Animal Mother]

I uderstand obama will push the passage of "CIFTA". Does anyone know the potential impact one gun rights?

CIFTA at the very least would require licensing and registration of civilian reloaders. There is a discussion going on in the Legal forum.

[REDEYE]

I just heard his speech on Laura Ingram's show.
It was the "Lie Of The Day".

[Ned Kelly]

The NRA is even starting to support pro gun Democrats, even donating $ to their PAC's, etc.

That old stuff about the GOP being the gun owner's friend is not true - Brady Bunch are REPUBLICANS! The head of the Brady organization as well as the head of Handgun Control are both Republicans.

Democratic party is not the enemy of gun owners.

mark


The Gun Owners of America knew this a long time ago. It's funny that now the NRA is suffering from it's debacle over the "Veterans disarmament act" that all the sudden they are saying to the Gun Owners of America "me too"

[jerkface11]

Democratic party is not the enemy of gun owners.


Then why is gun control part of their party platform?

[db46]

The best point made in this discussion was:
Keep the PRESSURE ON ALL OF OUR POLITICIANS! DEMS AND REPS. They wont pass crap if we keep up the heat!

[SaxonPig]

You believe what he says?

[X-Rap]

Keep up the movement from wed. The results so far have shown some frantic behavior by the Big Brother crowd. If this country runs off the majority of the incumbents and returns to constitutional ideals and restrictions we will be more on track than we have been for years.

[Old Fuff]

Democratic party is not the enemy of gun owners.

Sure…. :uhoh: :rolleyes:

So far as the party and its leadership is concerned, it’s a case of…

With friends like them we don’t need enemies… :banghead:

However there are senators and congressmen/women that are Democrats and pro-gun. As individuals a case can be made that we should support them – but only in individual circumstances.

There are also Republicans that are not pro-gun by any means, and we should oppose them, unless there is a pervasive reason to not do so.

But since the middle/late 1960’s the Democrat Party has been, and remains the driving force behind most restrictive gun control statutes, at national, state and local levels. They have also without exception, opposed the passage of “shall issue” concealed weapon licensing statutes, although they’re opposition has become more mooted in some states when these laws have been proven to work, without the dire consequences they predicted.

But an examination of past history, combined with a look at the party’s leadership and platform, will prove that without question the party, as an institution, is in favor of the strictest forms of gun control. :barf:

[KBintheSLC]

No matter what he/they say, we all know what he/they want to do. I will be watching like a hawk... always.

[Flame Red]

Despite being a commie pinco, he ain't no dummy. He'll just do it after the next rounds of elections. Plus I'll expect him to issue some more executive orders that will prove just as bad.

[Jim Watson]

The president does not make law and his speeches in The Permanent Campaign* mean little. But he will sign any gun restriction bill that Pelosi & Co. send up.

*Anybody else notice that he still acts and sounds like he is running for office instead of already in?

[Lone_Gunman]

Democratic party is not the enemy of gun owners.

This is not true. The national Democratic party is still very much anti gun. The AWB is still part of their platform, and is still on Obama's agenda listed on the official WhiteHouse website.

There are individual Democrats that are not anti-gun, and a few that are pro-gun. Perhaps over time, the national party will change as a whole, but we have not reached that time yet.

When the party drops anti-gun objectives from their agenda, then they can be considered to no longer be enemies of gun owners.

[BillyBA]

old fluff took the words right outta my mouth - you know better than to actually belive a plotician ??
Did his lips move...?
first sign of a political (or car saleman) lie - moving lips ??
they tell us what we want to hear then shadely do what they want to do anyways ???

[sarge83]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/04/president-ob-17.html

At a joint press conference with President Calderon, President Obama just now said that he has not backed "off at all from my belief that the assault weapons ban made sense...Having said that, none of us are under any illusion that reinstating that ban would be easy."

He hasn't backed off of anything. He supports it and will support it if the Congress passes it, he is just not going to be the one to put his head on the chopping block to get it passed.

[Leanwolf]

OLD FUFF - "But since the middle/late 1960’s the Democrat Party has been, and remains the driving force behind most restrictive gun control statutes, at national, state and local levels. They have also without exception, opposed the passage of “shall issue” concealed weapon licensing statutes, although they’re opposition has become more mooted in some states when these laws have been proven to work, without the dire consequences they predicted.

But an examination of past history, combined with a look at the party’s leadership and platform, will prove that without question the party, as an institution, is in favor of the strictest forms of gun control. "

Old Fuff is 100% correct. The Democrats, including some RINOs, hate, loathe, and despise our Right to keep and bear arms, and use them for self defense. (Just call 9-1-1, your local government help and protection line.)

L.W.

[mgregg85]

We all did a good job convincing him of this, now we just need to hold him to his word.

Now my question is how does Obama propose to reduce arms trafficking? Is this "no AWB" just a red herring to distract us from the fact that he has more evil designs on our rights?

Or will he just wait until his possible second term to do whatever he wants?

[Crashola]

Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere, but this is what our government needs to be doing instead of instituting another useless AWB:

A Houston man who authorities said led a weapons-procurement cell that supplied Mexican drug cartels with at least 103 military-grade weapons, including some used in the “Acapulco Massacre” of police officers, was sentenced to more than eight years in prison today.



Here's the link for the entire article: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6378652.html

There is no parole in the federal system. That's a minimum of approximately 7 years.

[Justin]

They are holding off on attempting to pass a new AWB until the midterm elections a year and a half from now.

Obama, Feinstein, Pelosi, and Holder have said as much.

[damien]

They are holding off on attempting to pass a new AWB until the midterm elections a year and a half from now.

Obama, Feinstein, Pelosi, and Holder have said as much.

Since they don't have the votes now with the 65 Democrats stated to be against the reauthorization, they had better be hoping for gun-control Democrat gains. If there are no gains, or the gains are with moderate Democrats, they are going nowhere after the midterm elections as well.

[MD_Willington]

horse feathers, the powers that be want to ratify the arms tracking treaty Clinton signed... then who knows what will happen from there...

[alemonkey]

This is absolutely not good news. Obama came right out and said (unusual for him, since he rarely does that) that he still plans to push a new AWB through. The only reason he hasn't is because it would be politically difficult right now.

We can NEVER let up the pressure.

[kilo729]

You guys seem to forget that GWB said he'd sign the AWB if it passed congress.

And this was during his first term.

[Tommygunn]

You guys seem to forget that GWB said he'd sign the AWB if it passed congress.

And this was during his first term.
__________________


Haven't forgotten. I bought my M4orgery in Nov. '06 when the democrats took kongress because of the possibility they'd pass it and shove it under his nose.
But, he never made a point of actually wanting one after that debate with AlBore.

[cbrgator]

We just need to be vigilant. Not paranoid.

[jerkface11]

You guys seem to forget that GWB said he'd sign the AWB if it passed congress.

Yes Bush said he'd sign a gun control bill if a Republican controlled congress passed it in an election year. That's akin to saying he'd do it if a certain place froze over.

[Lone_Gunman]

I think references to Bush are irrelevant at this point. Yes, Bush was pro-AWB. Yes, I think he would have signed it if it came to him. Bush was a horrible president, and I don't think it makes much sense to hold up anything he did as a standard for future presidents. Just because Bush supported something does NOT mean that it is a good idea.

The fact that Bush was pro-AWB does not make it acceptable for Obama to be pro-AWB.

[Hazwaste]

Good AWB News!

It would be naive of us to assume that Obama's statement is anything more than political posturing. Do not let your guard down. Do not trust this man.

[kilo729]

The fact that Bush was pro-AWB does not make it acceptable for Obama to be pro-AWB.

I wasn't implying that at all.

[runrabbitrun]

We have sleeper cells in our government as far as I'm concerned.

I don't trust any of them and their actions
speak louder than their words.
Although right from their own mouths they
said they want the AWB renewed.

[delta58]

I think we will have another AWB after mid-term elections. I think they know that it might tip the scales if tried any sooner. I have seen this mentioned several times "watch what they do not what they say" and I agree 100%. We must educate ourselves and look at their voting record. I tell everyone that will listen that President Obama would be powerless to take our guns without congress behind him. Does RINO=Republican in name only?

[JWarren]

I think we will have another AWB after mid-term elections.


I'd re-word that.

I think they will "TRY to have another AWB after the mid-term elections."

"Trying" and "Doing" are very different things.

The difference depends wholly on the outcome of the 2010 mid-term elections.

But of course, we on THR will start getting FLOODED "new" members that will argue with us that concerning ourselves with AWBs in the election is ridiculous. And then they'll fade away.


I could name names.


-- John