[Nightfall]

http://www.usanetwork.com/movies/dcsniper/

So are we taking bets on wether or not the rifle will have a speaking part, whispering in Malvo's ear to kill people? Or how many soccer moms will see this and immediately write their Congress folks about the need to renew the AWB? :rolleyes:

http://www.usanetwork.com/movies/dcsniper/gallery/dcsniper/dcsniper_h10.jpg

http://www.usanetwork.com/movies/dcsniper/gallery/dcsniper/dcsniper_h12.jpg

http://www.usanetwork.com/movies/dcsniper/gallery/dcsniper/dcsniper_h32.jpg

http://www.usanetwork.com/movies/dcsniper/gallery/dcsniper/dcsniper_h34.jpg

[SodaPop]

They look like snipers entering the Decathalon in the Special Olympics.

Some snipers......... bipod and 3-9x40 scope on an M4?

What skill!
:rolleyes:

[MagKnightX]

That is definitely NOT the type of rifle they used. Know how I can tell? It has a flashhider. They used a post-ban rifle. And that is NOT a muzzle brake. It is an A2 flash hider, and you can even see through the holes, so it isn't fake.

Of course, if I'm wrong, please correct me. I enjoy getting my facts straight, much unlike a certain television network whose name starts with a "U" and ends with an "SA Network."

[Mark Tyson]

Yeah they used a post-ban. The one in those pics has a bayonet lug on it, though there is a muzzle brake out there that's almost identical to the flash hider.

I fully expect the rifle to have a starring role in this little project, driving itself around and firing at pedestrians . . . or maybe the car drives itself.

[Skunkabilly]

Hey, gotta give 'em credit for not changing the BGs into WASP Neo-Nazis :rolleyes:

[Tamara]

Gosh, they oughtta hang a bayonet off that lug to make it look even scarier.

Thank gawd these clowns didn't use something in .243 with Ballistic Tips; we don't want Suzy Soccermom and Joe Sixpack to find out about those things! :uhoh:

[Kharn]

Nice cheekweld there, bud. :rolleyes:

I thought they had the A2 stock on the rifle (as it came from Bushmaster) and Mohammed had asked a gunsmith to put a collapsible stock on it, but the gunsmith refused as it would violate the '94 ban.

Kharn

[gun-fucious]

the moose looks like he is in rut
http://www.usanetwork.com/movies/dcsniper/gallery/dcsniper/dcsniper_h25.jpg
Hey chief, maybe we should shake down all the rifle owning white guys with white vans

Do dat!

[Combat-wombat]

Yeah, definitely a pre-ban gun.

I think their gun had a fixed telescoping-style stock in the real shootings.

[Baba Louie]

Think they'll write in the part of all the AR-15 owners being visited by Federal Agents who have gone through all the 4473's, being asked to give up their rifles for testing?
Or was that just an Urban Legend of the gun-nut crowd that'll never see the light of day?
Will any of the profits go to the victims families or in some fatcats pockets?
Will the NRA have equal time with the Brady Bunch in running ad time?
Will it be used to continue the AWB in Congress?

All rhetorical questions as I think we all know the answers.

Adios

[USAFA]

For the record I'm not defending what they did, anyone who can do that should fry and I have little doubt in my own mind that they're guilty, but isn't it a bit premature making a movie about the DC snipers when they haven't even been convicted yet? I thought we made at least a pretense of asuming that people were innocent until proven guilty in this country.
Oh, wait, my little paranoid friend is whispering that the movie wasn't even ABOUT Muhammad and Malvo, it's all about the wicked black rifle that killed all those people.
And lets not forget that the AWB is up to sunset next year.

[NewShooter78]

:rolleyes:

Another movie I have no plans on watching.

[Mark Tyson]

Nice cheekweld there, bud.

More like chin-weld. The carry handle mounted scopes do ride pretty high up.

[Kharn]

Mark Tyson:
I had a red dot on top of a 20" A2's carry handle (had to take it off to make it fit in the safe), yeah, they are quite high up there, but I'd always try to get my jaw in the same spot when shouldering it (cheap red dot, so parallax was a concern).

Kharn

[0007]

How 'bout we re-title the movie "DC shooters - 23 days of fear - half of which were caused by stupid racest police chief"? I never have read about any real "snipers" being involved in those shooting... micro-rant over for the day. :banghead:

[Kharn]

Whoops, wrong button.

Kharn

[mattd]

How do you people know if the rifle was post ban or preban?

The xm15-e2s come in all kinds of configurations.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976379347.htm

[MagKnightX]

Is it just me, or do they have their eyes pressing against the scope? I think they'd be kind of done with their rampage very quickly if they did that...

Hey, wait, those black men aren't the killers, everybody knows it's only white Christian males who commit crimes, right? Those are just the gun store owners who gave that to the kid who wanted to shoot up his school, who gave it to the real killer, who is obviously being arrested in that picture in gun-fucious' post.

[TechBrute]

Ok, I've got $5 that says that they go full-auto with the AR at some point in the movie. You know, because it's black it must be full-auto!

[Futo Inu]

Maybe Rush L. will issue a comment from rehab that if the shooter wasn't black, the media and VPC would blame the shooter and not the gun. But as it is, black rage makes more sense to the sheeple. In fact, the kid was hynoptized by Malvo, and Malvo was hynoptized by the evil rifle and black rage, so really, it's nobody's fault, except the white men in power, Bushmaster (of course), and the makers of any car who don't put enough steel in the trunks of the car to keep the average Joe black-rager with common household tools, from cutting a little circle in it, thus keeping him from acting out his black rage sniping fantasies.

PS. Or maybe I have their names backwards. I forget who's Malvo and who's Mohammed.

"Nice cheekweld there, bud"

Kharn, you don't understand. That's the thing about ARs - their design is so deadly, that any Joe Schmoe with no riflery skill whatsoever, can pick one up, slap a Walmart Crosman scope on it with Daisy rings, and proceed to unleash death from 300+ yards with offhand shooting, unrested like that. In fact, that guy is silly for even aligning the scope with his eye. The rifle is sooooo evil, that hip shooting will automatically zero in on the target for anything under 500 yards.

Really, though, this is the anti-gunners only ace in the hole for renewing the AWB if no new shootings occur as they hope, so they've got to get a lot of mileage from it. Write your critters (again). No new gun bans or you're OUT in 2004, you sapsuckers!

[Kharn]

Futo Ino:
Please tell that to my Ar15s. They refuse to believe they're supposed to be 500 yard X-ring hitting machines, they just pattern like a shotgun at 25 and 50 yards. Of course, its the guns' fault, I've got a Mall Ninja certificate hanging on the wall, so its not my fault they arent hitting anything. :D

They must be defective or something. :confused:

Kharn

[Big_R]

Isn't that the guy from the band Fine Young Cannibals?

[Wildalaska]

Can anyone say prejudicial pretrial publicity?

WildheylikemaybesomeonewantsthemtogofreebecasuetheyknowtoomuchhmmforgetittinhatAlaska

[Kharn]

mattd:
Its a preban rifle in those photos at the beginning of this thread, as there are no open-fronted muzzle brakes (anything with an open front is considered a flash hider, according to the ATF), and there appears to be a bayonet lug under the barrel.

The rifle involved in the actual events wasnt a preban if I heard correctly about the gunsmith refusing to add the telestock.

Kharn

[mattd]

Maybe DC has different laws or the gunsmith wasn't informed about the laws.

[Kharn]

Mattd: DC doesnt have an AW ban, just big roadblocks to purchasing, and MD's restrictions are only for a waiting period and such at time of purchase (VA doesnt have any restrictons).

And would you trust the TV prop guy to get them a 100% accurate rifle?

Kharn

[mattd]

I just want to hear the story about the gunsmith and the stock.

[TechBrute]

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=540730
http://images.ar15.com/forums/smiles/anim_lolabove.gif BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

What a great illustration. I personally love the "flat-top reciever for correct sight picture." First, you gotta love the eye relief in the illustration, and you also gotta love that the AR-15 flat-top pretty much sucks by itself for mounting scopes. Swan sleeve anyone?

Don't even make me start on the "high-powered Bushmaster .223 rifle.

I will have to say that it's amusing that the mag capacity is listed as only 5 rounds.

[Mark Tyson]

Actually, I always liked the flat topped ones for mounting scopes, in preference to the carry handle mounted scopes, which ride a little high for my tastes. Especially for shooting prone.

[Bill Hook]

D.C. Sniper: 2 Hours of BS










:D

[TechBrute]

Actually, I always liked the flat topped ones for mounting scopes, in preference to the carry handle mounted scopes Oh definately, but the standard flat-top doesn't have enough real estate for a typical rifle scope to be mounted far enough forward to have the correct eye-relief. You need something like an ARMS Swan Sleeve (or similar) to move the scope forward.

[greyhound]

I'm no Chief Moose fan, but isn't Charles Dutton about 100 pounds too heavy to play him? (though I think he is a very good actor).

I also agree that geez, the shooters are not even convicted yet!

And if you aren't from around here you can't imagine what it was like. I can remember the GF crying as she began her commute down there every day.

They better NOT blame it on the evil rifle or try to claim "black rage" in the movie, though I wouldn't put it past them

[Kharn]

Mattd:
The closest reference I could find was one link to the Seattle PI (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/93311_tacoma29.shtml) where Mohammed wanted a gunsmith to attach a silencer to a rifle.

A quote came from FreeRepublic (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/787966/posts?page=13) where a poster said that in 2001, Mohammed asked a gunsmith about "modifying it so it could be "folded neatly into a small case.""

I was apparently mistaken about the telestock.

Another interesting tidbit from the same FreeRepublic post as above:
after July 02 2002 @ A .223-caliber Bushmaster XM15, was stolen sometime after July 2nd from the Tacoma gun shop, Bull's Eye Shooter Supply, The rifle was a store display model was fitted with grips, a bipod, a hollow sight and a laser sight. This is the rifle found in the Caprice when Muhammad and Malvo were arrested, and was a ballistics matched to the DC killing spree.
Looks like Mohammed wanted a rifle with all the goodies from the get-go, rather than screwing around trying to find extra pieces. I believe the "Hollow sight" was really a Bushnell Holo sight, an easy slip-up for a reporter that doesnt know every little detail about scopes.

Kharn
[Click on the '@' on the FreeRepublic post to see the source, but the links might have expired by now]