[AgentOrange]

i posted this in another thread, but thought id post it here to:

small rifle primers,youd best grab them whilst ya can. one of my best friends works for ATK industries in the managment section of one of there subsidaries. i personally spoke to a friend of his thats been with CCI for the last 17 years. she said that she went into shipping late this last week, and they had small rifle primers stacked floor to ceiling on palets, BUT the problem we run into is this. its only a SMALL PERCENTAGE of there normal production. they have stepped up there military contract manufacturing in primers, so they got a portion. then, they tok the large majority of what was left and put it towards loading ammunition ( she said the market will get flooded with CCI ammo comming in the next couple of weeks to 30 days). she said what was left has went to fill backorders. she also said that they are so backordered right now, unless your already on a backorder list with a retailer or wholeseller, you may not see ANY primers in the next 12 to 18 months....yes, you read that right , TWELVE TO EIGHTEEN MONTHS.

PERSONALLY, im pretty much set to ride out the storm. i saw it comming and piled up on reloading components.

point is, if you have the protunity to pick primers and powder up, youd better grab it. powders getting almost as hard to find. before you know it, we will be cutting the tops off of shotgun shells and working loads up with shotgun powder!

[arizona98tj]

Or better yet get a good shotgun and enjoy those shells without cutting them apart. ;)

[shaggy430]

All this thread is doing is adding to the ridiculousness that is already going on. Way to fuel the flames of panic buying.

[jcwit]

Amen!

[Incrediblerod]

Yesturday I bought 1000 primers, a pound of powder and a box of lead.
I got the last box of primers but there was plenty of powder.

[SASS#23149]

can't buy what is not there. :(

[ranger335v]

"...its only a SMALL PERCENTAGE of there normal production. they have stepped up there military contract manufacturing in primers..."

I don't know the facts behind this of course but it's hard to imagine that CCI, etc, are so far behind on small rifle caps due to military orders when the firing part of those conflicts are at perhaps the lowest level they've been in years.

Primers are only a small portion of ammo manufactoring. Seems Federal, Remington and Winchester should be supplying primers for their own mil. production so... who's getting so much from CCI?

[democrat]

It just boggles the mind that people keep starting these threads. Everybody knows that primers are in short supply so why add to the problem by fanning the fire and urging people to hoard more? The result is that people who would actually be using them can't get them because somebody is sitting on a pile of 10k primers that are gathering dust in his basement.

Rookie move.

[Lone_Gunman]

I found a case of primers and bought them all. I probably already have more than I can ever reload, but figure hoarding can't be a bad thing.

[democrat]

Think again.

[evan price]

I heard from my neighbor's brother-in-law who heard at a gun show from a guy who fixes appliances, he said he was fixing a dryer at this ATF agent's house and heard them talking about how they are going to demand that all imported primers and all primers made after 10JUN2009 will be required to have a chemical agent in them that renders them inactive after two years, that this was signed into law by President Obamma by Executive Order, and that's why there's a primer shortage, because all the imported primers had to be delayed while the chemical additive was prepared and sprayed onto the primers. They had to unpack and open each tray and that was time consuming. You can tell which ones had the process done because they have Scotch tape holding the primer trays shut because the seal was broken when they opened them to spray.

So if you have older primers, better store them well because the new ones won't last.

The ATF is also adding chemical taggants to firearms propellants (gunpowder) that will enable them to trace them to individual reloaders who bought batches of powder, too, and that's why the powder is slow in getting out. They are doing all powders that would be vital to load military style rifle first which is why they are the scarcest. The computer database is so massive they had to have the hardware designed by a Silicone Valley company and borrowed the software from the NSA.

[evan price]

/\ Naaah, seriously, did anybody believe that fecal impaction I just posted? Seriously?

:D :lol:

[TIMC]

I am on a back order list and I am well stocked so if I have to wait 12 months I'll be ok. I'm sitting on 22 pounds of powder and 12K in primers. I just hate those people that are always repared! :neener:

[hornadylnl]

Okay Democrat, are we going to limit people on how many nascar collectibles, gold coins, or whatever else people can have?

All I'm seeing is sour grapes from those who spent their money on other stuff for the last several years and are now mad they can't get ammo or components for Oct, 2008 pricing. I don't feel sorry for those who blew their money on non essentials and are now upset at all the "gouging" going on. If you couldn't see this day coming, then I don't know what to tell you.

[NorCalRanches]

/\ Naaah, seriously, did anybody believe that fecal impaction I just posted? Seriously?

:lol:


Yes, I do. Because my wifes aunt is sleeping with a guy who's brother drinks beer at the bar with THAT SAME appliance repairman. So it has got to be true. He told me about the numbers the government is implanting on every bullet as well.

Gotta go put some more tinfoil up on the windows now... :)

[RustyFN]

You can always find them on gun broker for $500 a brick.

Rusty

[jcwit]

Hey aren't we glad people can't hoard gasoline and fuel like they can ammo and primers.

Now that would be interesting!!!!

[PTK]

I haven't purchased primers since 2007. Probably won't need to until mid-2010.

[S391]

Hey, he did say that CCI would be "flooding" the market with ammo in a couple of weeks.... that would be a good thing, if it's true.

[ArchAngelCD]

I can't believe the OP for one very good reason, CCI just laid off a bunch of workers in their primer plant. (FACT) They were originally hired in 2006 to aid in catching up on back orders and since they have caught up, they were let go. Why would CCI lay off workers if they weren't flush with primers? For some reason primers, powder and ammo isn't being shipped. My guess, they are trying to cash in on the panic and the less they ship the higher the prices climb.

Read it Here (http://www.klewtv.com/news/37309514.html) or Google it for yourself...

[bombmaster]

everything on Goggle is Always.... correct! :rolleyes:

[ArchAngelCD]

everything on Goggle is Always.... correct! :rolleyes:
Where did I say that? Besides, Google doesn't tell you anything, they are a search engine. All I was telling everyone was to check for themselves. The Google suggestion was just a tool to find a source that was known as reliable.

No reason to act like that, really!

[democrat]

are we going to limit people on how many nascar collectibles, gold coins, or whatever else people can have?

I didn't say anyone should limit anything. Please re-read my post.

I said folks shouldn't exacerbate the component shortage by promoting panic.

If you can use 50k primers in the foreseeable future, then buy 50k primers. If you shoot three boxes of ammo a year and just decided to buy 100k primers so you can sit on them and brag in internet forums about how many primers you have, then I suggest you re-evaluate your purchasing habits because you're part of the problem not the solution. The only person who should impose any limits is the person who is buying more primers than they are ever going to use.

As for hearsay panic posts, well, let's just say that it doesn't seem much in the spirit of The High Road.

[woodchuck315]

I have more primers than I NEED...

BUT

Its way less than 5k even, so I'm not even a dent in the problem.

I shoot mostly .22lr now, and kinda always have. Might have to get the airguns shooting! havnt seen any pellet shortages ;)

[Dark Skies]

jcwit
"Hey aren't we glad people can't hoard gasoline and fuel like they can ammo and primers. "

Er ... I do actually. I have fifty gallons in military jerry cans as we speak.

[coloradokevin]

can't buy what is not there.

Yep. My problem too. This panic buying is a bit ridiculous at this point, and I'm tired of seeing people fan the flames on this one. Right now, on any given day there are no primers to be had in the Denver metro area. I've been searching for small pistol primers for months, and have only been able to purchase 100 primers so far... just one single pack.


/\ Naaah, seriously, did anybody believe that fecal impaction I just posted? Seriously?

Coming from you, I knew you were bluffing. Sadly, some people truly believe this rumor, even to this day. Just this week I had someone whisper that "critical" information to me in a gun store, just before the guy scampered off as if he had revealed a secret that would have him tried for treason. Idiots are abundant. Too bad we can't trade a few of them in for primers!



As an afterthought: If I were an anti-gun advocate, I think I'd simply go to a single gun show and spread a nasty rumor about an upcoming ammo ban... The rumor would naturally spread like wildfire, and we'd soon find that every piece of ammo in the country would quickly be swept up and squirreled away in the basements of the paranoid hobbiest. No one would be shooting, and the anti-gun contingent could live in peace until it was time to start the next rumor.

[hornadylnl]

People speculate on stocks, gold, etc. all the time. You hope to buy low and sell high. If you buy stock for $20 a share and can resell it for $50 a share in short period of time, you won't be accused of being greedy. That's how the stock market works. If I buy a bunch of primers and ammo why is it any different? They will only sell for what people are willing to pay for. We as individuals don't set prices. The collective does. The idea that I as an individual thinks I have the right to set prices is rediculous. All that amounts to is "I should only have to pay x amount and anyone who charges more is gouging me". Go ahead and price yourselves below the market and see how much that puts in your supply.

[jcwit]

Fifty gal. of gas? That relates to a 1 year supply?
I've been known to use that much up in less than 2 days.

No where near what kind of time frame people are hoarding ammo in.

[Marlin 45 carbine]

I got caught short of sp primers but have 1K of lp and lr primers set back for shortage if I need them (eventually will if the supply doesn't return which I think it will).
I found a brick (1K) of sp magnum for $22.40 so got them, there are no sp standard availble anywhere around here.
powder is at a premium and jacketed slugs also.
I think a lot of it is 'panic buying'. few places (Wally) have any pistol or common rifle ammo at all. Dick's has some at 2 box limit.
some .22LR is available and shotty 'game loads' but zero buck.
what madness!:eek:

[vtail]

I just bought 3,000 small pistol match primers for $30.00/1000 last Friday, so you can still get lucky and come across some. This place has about 6,000 large pistol magnum primers still available.

[Dark Skies]

jcwit - "Fifty gal. of gas? That relates to a 1 year supply?"

It's leaded high octane fuel - pretty difficult to get here but some places still stock it for classic cars. An English gallon is slightly bigger than a US gallon.

I use it for my old Triumph Bonneville - it only gets a bit of summer use when I fancy a bit of old school riding. Bit of a change from my Speed Triple and ZRX1100.

[bunnielab]

I was playing with my dog yesterday and he barked three times in a row. I translated that to mean "Obama will ban all primers" so I hurried out and bought all that I could.

Please forward this to all your friends.


PS: If he barks four times it means "go shoot some teenagers necking in their cars" so I will keep you posted on that front.

[coloradokevin]

People speculate on stocks, gold, etc. all the time. You hope to buy low and sell high. If you buy stock for $20 a share and can resell it for $50 a share in short period of time, you won't be accused of being greedy. That's how the stock market works. If I buy a bunch of primers and ammo why is it any different?


To be honest, I think the problem stems from the fact that we are comparing apples and oranges. Shooting is a hobby and lifestyle to most of us, not an investment that we expect a return on. But, admittedly, some people see these activities from the eyes of a business person.

Because this is a forum that is dedicated to guns/shooting, the majority of the membership consists of people who enjoy this hobby. Clearly this is not an investing website.

So, right or wrong, I think a lot of people are offended when they realize that they are being kept from their favorite pastime because someone else on the forum decided to buy 150,000 primers, in an attempt to turn a large profit off of their fellow shooters.

That's just my hunch. Like it or leave it.

[sam59]

"People speculate on stocks, gold, etc. all the time. You hope to buy low and sell high. If you buy stock for $20 a share and can resell it for $50 a share in short period of time, you won't be accused of being greedy. That's how the stock market works. If I buy a bunch of primers and ammo why is it any different? They will only sell for what people are willing to pay for. We as individuals don't set prices. The collective does. The idea that I as an individual thinks I have the right to set prices is rediculous. All that amounts to is "I should only have to pay x amount and anyone who charges more is gouging me". Go ahead and price yourselves below the market and see how much that puts in your supply."

It's supply and demand, pretty simple like it or not. When I hear suggestions of limiting what someone can buy (a legal commodity), no matter what the justification, that is scary.

[hornadylnl]

I don't think this is an apples to oranges comparison. Is the boat dealer going to knock off 20% because it's only a hobby? Don't people buy baseball cards in hopes of making huge profits? Bottom line is people got caught with their pants down and want to blame others because they can't get any. They are available. You just have to pay for them. If you don't want to pay up then do without. To get on the interwebs and complain and demand that people lower their prices is something I expect out of socialists, not gun owners.

If you aren't working on buying a lifetime supply of ammo and components then it is your own dam fault. Even if you pay $50 a k for 20 k of primers today, what do you think they will cost 10 years from now if they are even legal? I don't like paying $20 per k but it is nobodys fault but my own that I didn't buy 100k when they were $14.

[Walkalong]

I didn't buy 100k when they were $14.
:eek: When did they go up? :D

Agh, the good old days when primers were less than 1/2 penny each. :)

[ArchAngelCD]

Agh, the good old days when primers were less than 1/2 penny each.
LOL, I'm just now opening up a box of CCI SPP that are marked 1989 with a marker. (they still go bang BTW) The price tag is very old but I think it says $5.95. (my eyes aren't working as well as those primers)

[coloradokevin]

I don't think this is an apples to oranges comparison. Is the boat dealer going to knock off 20% because it's only a hobby? Don't people buy baseball cards in hopes of making huge profits? Bottom line is people got caught with their pants down and want to blame others because they can't get any. They are available. You just have to pay for them. If you don't want to pay up then do without. To get on the interwebs and complain and demand that people lower their prices is something I expect out of socialists, not gun owners.

If you aren't working on buying a lifetime supply of ammo and components then it is your own dam fault. Even if you pay $50 a k for 20 k of primers today, what do you think they will cost 10 years from now if they are even legal? I don't like paying $20 per k but it is nobodys fault but my own that I didn't buy 100k when they were $14.

Well, I never asked anyone to lower their prices. I vote with my wallet, and I'd rather go without than pay panic prices.

Admittedly, I am out of some primers right now. I haven't been reloading as long as I've been shooting, and haven't quite built up my supply of components yet. In some areas I'm doing well, in others I'm not. I do have a decent supply of loaded factory ammo, but I'm still not on the same page as you when it comes to buying "a lifetime supply of ammo".

First, how much shooting do you really think you'd get to do if guns were completely outlawed? Second, while I think it is a good idea to have a decent supply, I'm not about to try to come up with the ridiculous amount of ammo I'd need to stockpile today to keep me shooting until I die. Similarly, I don't have a lifetime supply of gasoline at my house, despite the fact that gas prices routinely go up!

[Dark Skies]

Wandered into my local gun shop today to pick up some powders and CCI minimags.

ME: "I don't suppose you have some small pistol primers too?

SHOPKEEP: "Sure, how many do you want?"

ME: "How many have you got?"

SHOPKEEP: "A full shelf"

ME: "1000 CCIs will do me."

SHOPKEEP: "£23.00 (about $34)

I guess the horror stories are untrue then.

[something vague]

Damn sick of these threads! I could swear that this guy is in some way connected to CCI or some other primer/ammo company trying to create even more mass choas in order to be able to claim shortage, then gouge the prices even further. Oboma was the best sales pitch any ammo/gun/powder/reloading company could have ever dreamt up in their careers. And then we end up with people in our own community trying to help spread the panic even more with stupid ass comments like this thread. Keep these lame ass threads to yourself and quit being part of the problem.

[shaggy430]

Agreed.

[jcwit]

I keep telling myself "This to Shall Pass"

[ScottsGT]

Wandered into my local gun shop today to pick up some powders and CCI minimags.

ME: "I don't suppose you have some small pistol primers too?

SHOPKEEP: "Sure, how many do you want?"

ME: "How many have you got?"

SHOPKEEP: "A full shelf"

ME: "1000 CCIs will do me."

SHOPKEEP: "£23.00 (about $34)

I guess the horror stories are untrue then.
__________________
"And, despite being in its case, in poor repair and most importantly unloaded, I somehow worried that I'd shoot myself."
It's a shame that wasn't possible.



You are in a country not effected by "The Great One" so you should not feel the pain we are feeling.....yet :D

[Walkalong]

I keep telling myself "This too Shall Pass"and it will. Just exactly when? http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x37/Walkalong/dunno.gif

Meanwhile.....http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x37/Walkalong/popcornbigbox.gif...just sit back and watch.

[something vague]

It's tough to just sit back and watch all these people trying to create even more panic than there is now though. Too many people around the country read these threads and buy into what is said and become paranoid to the point of insanity. I suppose I will just have to be patient and buy what I NEED when it becomes available. It seems that it would be advantagous for some of these companies to step production up but then again I am no economist.

[redbandit98]

I have just decided to shoot a very minimal amount and make my last 1200 primers hold me over until all this crap blows over. I have debated on backordering etc..but surely this wont go on much longer and it will be back to normal.

[Walkalong]

It's tough to just sit back and watch

Well, some of us who have been through a primer shortage before, were prepared and can afford to "sit back and watch".

It will get better. I know it has to be very frustrating to all the new reloaders trying to find components.

I upgraded to the LNL from my old Projector 3 or 4 weeks ago and had to overpay (from the only place I could find with some) just to get a few bushings to get me by. Meanwhile, I am waiting on my back ordered ones. :(

It will get better, and when it does, start buying just a little extra here and there, until you too are ready for the next "shortage". :)

[Reid73]

Wandered into my local gun shop today to pick up some powders and CCI minimags.

ME: "I don't suppose you have some small pistol primers too?

SHOPKEEP: "Sure, how many do you want?"

ME: "How many have you got?"

SHOPKEEP: "A full shelf"

ME: "1000 CCIs will do me."

SHOPKEEP: "£23.00 (about $34)

I guess the horror stories are untrue then.Agreed. Earlier today (before reading this thread) I went to my local place and paid < $30 for 1,000 Winchester LR primers. I didn't specifically ask about SR or pistol primers but have no particular reason to believe that they are in short supply here.

[Dark Skies]

"You are in a country not effected by "The Great One" so you should not feel the pain we are feeling.....yet"

Ah. But we do have to run the same gauntlet as you guys - we get our primers from America. Since the handgun ban most people shoot 'proper' rifles rather than pistol based carbines so obviously there isn't the same ratio of people all chasing the same primers. Having said that - a good guage to how real the shortage problem is worldwide is the price we're paying for those primers. It hasn't changed significantly from since well before anyone had even heard of Obama here. That gives me, and should give you guys, cause to consider that the shortage has peaked by and large.

[mp43sniper]

How many primers could the folks in GB possibly use? No offense but didn't they register, then outlaw most of the firearms over there? A good percentage of gun owners in the states have more guns than they can remember, and some reloaders have more components than several large gun shops put together.

Craig

[dirtdog13]

Over the weekend. I stopped by my favorite reloading store. Picked up 1k Large rifle and 1k large pistol primers $28/1000. I think they had about 15k of each left. I don't think the sky is falling yet.

[Dark Skies]

"How many primers could the folks in GB possibly use?"
A good point - to which I would say it will be proportional to the amount that the shopkeep feels prudent to order in to keep up with demand. A few months back I just couldn't get them at all. A month back when I asked elsewhere I was asked if I was on 'the list'. Now I can get them in abundance.

Lever actions are very popular here - most shooter with a decent collection of rifles will have about two in say a collection of ten. Most owners will have at least one in a modest collection. A few guys at my club have nothing but lever actions. They also tend to be into black powder western style pistols. I'm sketchy on these - they use small pistol primers though - don't they?

[NHSHTR]

I've just begun to reload again after 15 or so years. (I had given away my equipment to a friend who wanted to get started and I thought I wouldn't be reloading again.)

But the bug bit me again in early February this year, and I had to get everything (fortunately this time a better grade of stuff).

Anyway, it's been a h-ll of a time to start and it's been a long slow process to get both equipment and components to load for even a modest number of rounds for a couple of pistol calibers.

Threads like this we can all do without.

[Redneck with a 40]

I'm sitting pretty on powder, primers, bullets and brass for the calibers I reload, 40 S&W, 38 spl, 357 mag, and .308. The only thing I need is ONE brick of large rifle primers, I'm hoping I can find a brick at the next gun show, for less than $30. I'm not paying more than $35.

I was prudent, I knew what was coming, so I did all my buying 18 month's ago and at the rate I use this stuff, I still have plenty left.

[mgkdrgn]

It will get better. I know it has to be very frustrating to all the new reloaders trying to find components.


Amen brother!

I reloaded 12g shotgun years ago (still have the equipment). I intend to start that up again, and have been collecting equipment to reload 45 Colt and 9mm as well. Took a trip to the local Sportsman Warehouse here yesterday to see what reloading components they might have.

There was no lead shot.
There 1 tray of 100 Federal Shotgun primers, and a case of Remington 209's.
There were no pistol or rifle primers of any kind.
There was no powder of any kind.
There was pretty much no unfired brass.
There was a smattering of bullets in odd calibers.
There was pretty much no loaded pistol ammo. (3 boxes of 454 Causal, I bought 1.)
There was pretty much no loaded rifle ammo.
There was no 22 ammo.

For all intents and purposes ... 4 empty aisles in this store. And they had no idea when, or if, they would be getting any new supplies of anything.

[Otto]

My stock of sm. rifle primers has dwindled down to 19,000...can someone help me out?

[coloradokevin]

My stock of sm. rifle primers has dwindled down to 19,000...can someone help me out?

Sure! How many do you want to give me? :)


(I'm always willing to "help"!)

[ny32182]

Around here, the powder shelves are a lot more bare than they used to be, but *some* kind of powder for whatever you want to load can still be had, usually. I got started handloading .223 and .308 a little over a year ago, and when I see a can of Varget or H335 available, I will pick it up. And I do see them, just not a lot of them.

Primers are a different story; they are gone, and I never see them. I am sitting on about 2k SR and 1k LR, which is enough to last me for a while.

I am trying to get into autopistol loading now (9mm to start). My dies and other gear are on backorder; I found a couple cans of HS-6 yesterday, which I believe is enough for a couple thousand rounds or more. I have bullets on backorder, and I understand they will come eventually. Primers, I have no clue when I will see any.

Shotgun primers are the exception; there are plenty of those around. None for metallic loading.

[Andy_C]

I received an order of .45 Colt cartridges yesterday, and in addition to what I'd ordered there were 14 boxes (400 each) of CCI Small Rifle primers in the carton! :D I was really happy until I realized they were all empty and had merely been added to keep the ammo from shifting in the box :eek: It was a happy surprise for a few moments, anyway. One of the downsides from ordering reloaded ammo is that those guys have and use lots of primers... :(