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Revolver Ocelot
April 20, 2009, 05:28 AM
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Marcus84
April 20, 2009, 05:38 AM
Ugly. :(

Radagast
April 20, 2009, 05:55 AM
Looks like a revolver set up for the Australian short barrel match, Basically a pocket pistol bulls eye match, back when Aussies were allowed to own revolvers with a barrel length shorter than four inches. It appears to have an oversize match barrel and an Aristocrat sight rib fitted and it's leaning against a packet of air pistol targets, so I'd say the photo was taken at a range where competitive ISSF shooting occurs.

Dark Skies
April 20, 2009, 05:58 AM
It looks like one of those CO2 powered air pistols. Brocock, perhaps? Maybe one of the Orion 6 variations.

Revolver Ocelot
April 20, 2009, 06:12 AM
the picture was on thefiring line it was listed as a ppc gun (.38 if I remember right, I can't find the link anymore)

Radagast
April 20, 2009, 06:52 AM
PPC revolvers usually have a six inch barrel. That one looks to be no longer than three inches. I guess you could shoot PPC with it, but it would be at a disadvantage.

Old Fuff
April 20, 2009, 11:17 AM
It started life as a S&W model 10 / Military & Police. Someone fitted a custom bull barrel and optional barrel rib - most likely one made by Bo-Mar or Aristocrat. Normally these were 6" long, but some were made in 4" for certain police PPC matches. I think the angle the picture was taken makes the barrel look shorter then it really is. Some may call them ugly, but if one were matched with a superior marksman at a shooting range the critics would likely be run into the ground what the targets were scored. :evil: :uhoh:

Jim Watson
April 20, 2009, 11:25 AM
It is a PPC rooneygun for somebody who really wants to win the Off-Duty match. Three inch barrel but no other restrictions, so this one has a three inch bull barrel, rib, and no doubt a very nice DA.

Revolver Ocelot
April 20, 2009, 11:57 AM
actually old fuff, the name aristocrat sounds very framiliar, you may have just hit the nail right on the head with that one.

top notch answers as always all around ;)

Walkalong
April 20, 2009, 12:06 PM
It started life as a S&W model 10 / Military & Police. Someone fitted a custom bull barrel and optional barrel rib - most likely one made by Bo-Mar or Aristocrat.
Something like this cool old competition gun (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=126995269#PIC) Old Fuff?

Revolver Ocelot
April 20, 2009, 12:18 PM
looking at the link you posted wakalong, if that is a 4 inch then the one I have pictured would have to be a 3", if you look at the distance between the end of the ejector rod and end of the barrel on each gun there is a major difference.

Old Fuff
April 20, 2009, 12:59 PM
I was aware of the 6" and 4" PPC revolvers, but didn't realize "cop gamers" had created a game-gun for the Off-Duty matches too. Being so elderly, I can remember when the course was shot with honest service revolvers. :rolleyes:

I would define it as interesting, but not too practical except for its intended purpose. But still, one could make things very intresting at the local range... :evil:

PPC guns are often capable of shooting unbeliveable groups, and these days they sometimes show up in the used market for attractive prices.

Revolver Ocelot
April 20, 2009, 01:41 PM
I've considered getting into ppc matches and buying a dan wesson action cup but I have more important things to tend to at present.

stana
April 21, 2009, 01:58 PM
In the late 70's and early 80's, the only time period I can speak for, we shot the PPC with snub noses, at the yearly police convention. It was one of a number of side matches and taken less seriously than the standard course. Most of the top shooters did not want to be distracted by the side matches.

Many used their off duty revolver, so many were fixed sights and five shooters. The course of fire was altered in deference to the five shooters. 50 rounds instead of the normal 60. 20 rounds at 50 yards is challenging with any snubnose, let alone a Smith J frame.

The year I first fired it there was a rule change that allowed adjustable sights and a two and a half inch barrel. I borrowed a Smith 19 which I found would allow me to adjust the sights all the way down and use a "neck hold" as we were using in the full course with our bull barreled revolvers. The sight picture was like a six o'clock hold on a black bullseye.

It gave me a tremendous advantage at 50 yards (where the match was won or lost). It was one of the few times in my life where I was ahead of the curve. It was good for 2 years then the rest of the world caught up and left me in the dust.

The snubby in the picture appears to have a full length extractor so is likley a 3 inch barrel and is a very serious PPC gun.

sidheshooter
April 22, 2009, 12:54 AM
The late Jim Cirillo's BUG?

:)

Big Daddy Grim
April 22, 2009, 12:56 AM
I can't see the pic ahhhhhhhhhhh

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