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moooose102
April 20, 2009, 08:08 AM
well, i pulled a dummy sometime last week. i thought all of the primers were in the tray correctly, but i must have missed one. anyway, it is now seated in a fully loaded round of ammo. i dont have a problem pulling the round apart, but how do i get the primer out with out it going off?

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Ben Shepherd
April 20, 2009, 08:48 AM
Pull the bullet, dump the powder, and push it out carefully with the decapping pin in the sizing die, just like a spent primer. The anvil isn't set against anything, so the odds of it going off are VERY low. If you're really worried about it, put a drop of oil on it first.

NCsmitty
April 20, 2009, 08:48 AM
First off, i would put a drop of oil in the open primer and let it sit for a couple days. Give it a chance to soak and become inert before doing anything.

NCsmitty

Grumulkin
April 20, 2009, 09:12 AM
My technique (yea, I had to do this at least once) is to put the case in the resizing die and pop the primer out whilst looking the other way.

Primers aren't like what you see in the movies (i.e., a car being hit with small arms fire and going up in a fireball that levels buildings for miles around).

Walkalong
April 20, 2009, 09:53 AM
Just decap it. It will be fine. Reuse it afterwards.

bullseye308
April 20, 2009, 09:56 AM
I have done that a time or two and reprimed like normal with no problems. Slow and easy should be fine. I even did it with the Lee decapper and base, just don't whack it hard. Light taps and it comes out no problem. Probably would not advise that one without all the safety precautions. If you don't know them, use a press. Eye and ear protection just in case.

The Bushmaster
April 20, 2009, 10:09 AM
NO OIL NEEDED. Just run the case through your resizing die and reuse the primer and reload the case. No problem. Do be a bit more observant and you won't have it happen again (like me:o)...

SquirrelNuts
April 20, 2009, 10:14 AM
You should always wear safety glasses anyway. I had my dad come over on Saturday to demonstrate reloading to him. He sat in a chair about five feet from my press and he had on safety glasses and he wasn't touching anything.

Chawbaccer
April 20, 2009, 10:24 AM
Safety glasses and hearing protection. Then just pop it out.

The Bushmaster
April 20, 2009, 10:38 AM
Chawbaccer...Don't say "pop"....

kanook
April 20, 2009, 11:00 AM
I have a shelf sitting above my reloading bench. Any time I make a booboo I put it on the shelf to serve as a remindeer to make sure that I don't do it again.

jcwit
April 20, 2009, 11:02 AM
One more time, primers ignite from sudden INPACT not PRESSURE.
Gently push it out and reuse it, it will still go bang.

russ45
April 20, 2009, 11:31 AM
Push it out and re-use it. I have done it many times. Don't really know how they get turned over but it happens.

jfh
April 20, 2009, 11:43 AM
as others have said, just pop it out with your decapper die.

An added bit of info is that you may have NOT had that primer upside down in the tray when you started--I've had them flip completely when the primer fead-and-seat routine is not completely in sync (manually or automatically).

Jim H.

rcmodel
April 20, 2009, 11:50 AM
Putting oil on it is about as reliable as peeing on it!

Primers are sealed with a foil disk, and lacquer on top of that. Oil might be able to get through it, or not.

At any rate, it isn't reliable enough to depend on it working.

But as already noted, you don't need to kill the primer anyway.

Punch it out with the sizing die.
If the anvil is still in place, you can use it again.

rc

jacob.elliott
April 20, 2009, 12:02 PM
yep, don't worry
punch it and reuse it

Afy
April 20, 2009, 12:17 PM
I have the reverse problem...
Loaded a case with powder, seated and crimped bullet.
No primer... :(

Funderb
April 20, 2009, 12:32 PM
^ hahahaha.
Like carrying water in a net.

NCsmitty
April 20, 2009, 01:18 PM
Putting oil on it is about as reliable as peeing on it!

Primers are sealed with a foil disk, and lacquer on top of that. Oil might be able to get through it, or not.

I'm surprised that you said that rcmodel.

The only case primers that I have are CCI and they do not have foil over the compound. The 209 Win primers do have a cover. A drop of oil on the CCI will cause them to go inert, lacquer or not.

I only mentioned the safe method of working with a mistake like the OP mentioned, because we get hundreds of new reloaders here of late and the responsible response is to utilize, in my mind, the safest method for salvaging some components.
You know how some people can even have a problem with a Bic lighter let alone an explosive component like a live primer.
They can put their eye out.

NCsmitty

The Bushmaster
April 20, 2009, 02:22 PM
NCsmitty...When I started reloading over 20 years ago I installed lots of primers upside down and sidways. Even when I tried to set on off with the decapping/resizing die I could not do it. The ram just will not move fast enough to "strike" the primer. Rather pushing it instead. Newbees be darn. Use the resizing/decapping die and push it out and if it is not damaged reuse it.

This is the proper technic for removing "oops" primers...

I've installed primers that have been cut in half by the priming die and plunger. Loaded the case (no powder or bullet) in my Colt SAA and be damned. It fired...

Walkalong
April 20, 2009, 03:03 PM
Test the oil theory yourself. Take a couple of primers, add oil, WD-40 or whatever, let them soak a couple of days, and then seat and fire them. It is hard to kill an undamaged primer. :scrutiny:

Let us know how it goes. Pictorial documentation would be good too. :)

Steve H
April 20, 2009, 03:05 PM
I have the reverse problem...
Loaded a case with powder, seated and crimped bullet.
No primer... .

You mean I'm not the only one that has done that??????

NCsmitty
April 20, 2009, 03:07 PM
NCsmitty...When I started reloading over 20 years ago I installed lots of primers upside down and sidways. Even when I tried to set on off with the decapping/resizing die I could not do it.

I hear ya The Bushmaster, and agree with you as an experienced reloader.
But in these days of litigation and lawyers and some quite ignorant noobs, my advice is based on eliminating any possibility of accidental problems.
There are some people who can farg up a wet dream.

NCsmitty

Walkalong
April 20, 2009, 03:24 PM
I have the reverse problem...
Loaded a case with powder, seated and crimped bullet.
No primer... .

You mean I'm not the only one that has done that??????
Nope. :o

Waste of a good bullet, since I don't own a puller. :(

The Bushmaster
April 20, 2009, 04:13 PM
Ya have a point NCsmitty, but......

Oh just put the powder back in the case one kernal at a time and prime the sucker, Walkalong...And no swearin' while yer at it...

Walkalong
April 20, 2009, 04:48 PM
I don't think so. I am pretty froggy at times, (Like the time I blew up the 200 Amp breaker) but not crazy. :D

JackOfAllTradesMasterAtNone
April 20, 2009, 04:55 PM
My goodness, this backwards primer generated 26, now 27 responses?

Good grief! Just toss the darn thing in the trash and move on. You're losing somewhere much less than a quarter. Big deal. In the time it takes for you to smack that bullet out, you could have loaded ten more rounds!

-Steve

moooose102
April 20, 2009, 11:23 PM
I have the reverse problem...
Loaded a case with powder, seated and crimped bullet.
No primer...
i have done that also. but those are easy to cure. time consuming, and tedious, but easy.
i will try taking this round apart tomorrow. i have spent most of the day trying to re-arranging / re-organizing and cleaning up the bench. thanks for everyones help!
"Good grief! Just toss the darn thing in the trash and move on."
it is not necessarily about the money. i just hate to throw away anything that can relitvely easily be salvaged. besides, i NEVER throw ammo, dead or alive in the trash. i could not take the chance of someones dad (garbage collector / land fill worker/ innocent bystander or driver passing by / etc.) getting killed from one of my mistakes.

Cajun CB
April 21, 2009, 08:43 AM
Why use oil vs water to kill the primer?

dat2
April 21, 2009, 09:48 AM
why even bother with "killing " the primer, just run it through the deprimer, reprime, and keep on going

rcmodel
April 21, 2009, 12:45 PM
Why use oil vs water to kill the primer?Because neither one is 101% reliable!

Better not even doing it then to have a false sense of security thinking it is kilt when it isn't!

And you don't need to kill the primer anyway.

The case & primer is totally surrounded by a steel die and press during depriming.

Stick a wadded up shop rag in front of the ram slot, and absolutey nothing can get out of the press & die.

Even in the very very remote chance one did go off.

rc

jcwit
April 21, 2009, 12:53 PM
rc are you sure that if by chance the primer goes off it won't yank the press handle right out of your hand, possibly bending it when it comes to a violent stop.

JUST JOKING

BTW if someone feels better "killing" the primer with water he can set it asside to dry out and then reuse it.

moooose102
April 21, 2009, 01:38 PM
ok, ENOUGH ARGUEING! it is out! it came right out like any dead primer would. NO, i did not "try to kill" the primer. no big deal. thank everyone for the help! that is one of the biggest benifits of being a member here, getting and giving help / opinions. this place is Fort Knox of gun knowledge!

jcwit
April 21, 2009, 01:39 PM
YaaaaaHooooo

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