What do you think of the .41 Remington Magnum?


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American Finn
April 20, 2009, 08:13 PM
I would like to get some of your opinions as to a purchase I made the other day:

I just put on layaway at Smith and Wesson Model 57 .41 Mag Revolver; a brand new handgun part of their "Classic" line.

I paid $800 out the door: did I get a good deal?

And what do you think of the .41 cartridge? Is it a good one for someone looking to carry it as a backup while big game hunting?

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Pistol Toter
April 20, 2009, 08:50 PM
The .41 mag will get the job done. $800 is probably about right for a new one.

jaholder1971
April 20, 2009, 09:24 PM
You did fine on the price. That's about $150 less than any of the new classic lines go for around here.

The .41 Mag will do everything a .44 Magnum will except shoot .44 Specials. Don't buy into the .41 vs. .44 static.

Oro
April 20, 2009, 11:14 PM
And what do you think of the .41 cartridge? Is it a good one for someone looking to carry it as a backup while big game hunting?

I think it's a fine cartridge and will do what you want. If you reload for it, you can get it to do plenty of good things.

I was looking for a 657 a few years ago but couldn't find one, so got a 629. I'd love to have a 4" 57 as a fun gun were I to find a nice one cheaply.

Hope you enjoy that.

Thumper5
April 20, 2009, 11:19 PM
Great cartridge. Great gun.

Plinking with the .41 is a blast. 210 gr. lead bullets, 7.5 gr. of
Unique, about 900 FPS. Heckuva defense load too!

publiuss
April 20, 2009, 11:36 PM
The .41 mag. is a great cartridge. i also have .44 mags and .45 colts that i load hot. The .41 will do everything they will do.

ozarkhillbilly
April 20, 2009, 11:39 PM
The .41mag is one of the best handgun rnds ever made. It and the 10mm are 2 of the most versatile rnds ever made great on 2 legged and 4 legged animals.

Iggy
April 20, 2009, 11:44 PM
I carried this Model 58 as a LEO for 13 years. The cartridge did what it was designed to do.
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/Iggy25/Obsidian.jpg?t=1240282150

Found my first Model 57 about a year ago after 40 years of looking.

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/Iggy25/Mdl57.jpg?t=1240282309



I managed to boogy out the door of a pawn shop with this one last week.. Unfired except at the factory for $520.00

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/Iggy25/L57.jpg?t=1240281993

theheadhunter
April 21, 2009, 12:43 AM
heres my .41 also only factory fired
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa126/booboochatter/DSC00416.jpg

Oro
April 21, 2009, 01:52 AM
I managed to boogy out the door of a pawn shop with this one last week.. Unfired except at the factory for $520.00

I am guessing you "boogied" because they were after you to get the rest of the purchase price?;);)

Seriously, that's an amazingly good deal. I would be all over that!

Virginian
April 21, 2009, 02:35 AM
I think it is a round with a very dedicated following of a minority of shooters. If you have a bunch of guns and just want something different to play with it is fine. If I was starting out, or budget constrained, or didn't handload, I would get a 44 or a 357.

Beagle-zebub
April 21, 2009, 08:28 AM
By all accounts, it'll shoot rings around a .44 magnum.

SaxonPig
April 21, 2009, 09:12 AM
The 41M is slightly less powerful than the 44M but much more so than the 357M. Ammo selection, availability and bullet choices for the 41 are far less than that for the 44 making the 44 more versatile. The 41 is one of those calibers that demands loading your own ammo.

jdh
April 21, 2009, 09:57 AM
Now Keep your eyes open for a Marlin 1894 lever action in 41 to go with it. They make a great combo.

Silvertips are the best Midrange self defence loads you can still find. Carried them as duty loads in the last century and the still get the job done. Not as much blast and recoil as the full power hunting loads.

The 210/215 LSWC bullets at 900-950 fps are a joy to shoot and are more accurate than most people can shoot them.

You will soon come to the conclusion you made a good choice.

Ben Shepherd
April 21, 2009, 10:51 AM
I'd say you did well.

Given the 41 mag is a true 41 mag, and the 44 is really a .430, there isn't that much difference except-

The 41 shoots flatter, and in several tests has shown better penetration than it's bigger brother with hunting loads. And this with less flash, blast, and recoil than the 44 mag to boot.;)

Myself, I have a few revolvers and after a 10 year search, found an unfired Marlin. It finally got fired last month. Showed signs that it's a very accurate rifle, I've got to test it further now good weather is here.

The only drawback is the lack of ammo choices without hand loading.

Quoheleth
April 21, 2009, 11:27 AM
Out of curiosity, how does:
The 210/215 LSWC bullets at 900-950 fps are a joy to shoot and are more accurate than most people can shoot them.

compare with a 158 grain .357 Magnum (lets use an average - no Buffalo Bore - factory load as base-line) or a 230grain ball .45ACP?

I've always wanted a bigger bore revolver, but I know my small hands can't handle the power of the .44 Mag. I'm not "shopping," just curious.

Thanks,
Q

jdh
April 21, 2009, 12:24 PM
Quoheleth,
That load would be about like shooting 158 gr LSWC 38 Spec in a 357.

Ben Shepherd,
Try the Federal 250 gr Castcore. My Marlin will shoot 5 of them touching at 50 yards with open sights. They penetrate very well.

Gryffydd
April 21, 2009, 02:16 PM
The thing about the .41 is that pretty much all of its cons have to do with the availability of ammo and components rather than characteristics of the round or the guns chambered in it. Check out Hodgdon's loading data for it vs. their data for the .44. In some cases the max velocity for the .41 is better than the .44 given the same bullet weight.

ArmedBear
April 21, 2009, 02:28 PM
It's the .280 Remington of handguns.

It's a great round on the merits, but probably not different enough to get people to swap out their guns, dies, loads, etc. if they're already set up for .44 Magnum.

GoodKat
April 21, 2009, 05:41 PM
If only Dirty Harry used the .41 ...

Hawk
April 21, 2009, 05:55 PM
A better reason to reload can not be found.

Of course, in the time I spent looking without success for a 29 or 629 of agreeable vintage, I picked up three model 57s. The progressive press was pretty much a requirement after that.

outerlimit
April 21, 2009, 06:10 PM
I think the .41 Magnum round kicks ass. As mentioned the 210gr. .41 magnum factory loads will do the same thing the 210gr. .44 magnum factory loads will do. I've always thought there should have been more compact carry revolvers chambered in it, since you can make the gun smaller than a .44 if you really want to.

The Wiry Irishman
April 21, 2009, 06:20 PM
What's the max pressure of .41 mag?

GoodKat
April 21, 2009, 06:22 PM
I've always thought there should have been more compact carry revolvers chambered in it, since you can make the gun smaller than a .44 if you really want to.
S&W makes a night guard in it, but that's about it.

Virginian
April 21, 2009, 07:00 PM
If you like it, fine, but just I do not see how one can rationally say it is "better" than the 44 magnum. That's like saying 5'-5" women are "better" than 5'-6" women. Okay, maybe if you're 5'-5" yourself. :D Any advantage of "it could be" made in a smaller gun is lost, because it isn't. The only guns for it are retooled 44 sized weapons.
To say the 'only' disadvantage is unavailability of a big selection of factory ammo is a pretty huge disadvantage to me. Ergo, unless you handload, forget it.
It is smaller than the 44. If smaller is better, why is it better than the 357?
I am a 44 Special lover, and I will certainly grant that the 44 special has benefitted tremendously from being usable in 44 magnum guns, and the 44 magnum guns have benefitted from being able to use the Special rounds. I will grant that a lot of the old plusses that helped the 44s along are mostly lost to the 45 Long Colt round in modern guns with modern components, but the fact is, when the 44s were carrying the mail, the guns and components were not there for the 45. The 357 has the 38. The 41 doesn't have those advantages or history.
I don't think it's the 280 Remington of handguns because even the 280 has benefitted from all the bullet development for all the hot, and not so hot, 7MMs, and the 41 never got saddled with name changes, a la 7MM Express.
I am not disputing that the .41 Mag is a fine round, capable of very good accuracy and terminal performance, and no question it is better than the .41 rimfire. I will modify my original assessment to say that is has a vociferous minority of supporters.

edelbrock
April 21, 2009, 07:09 PM
What's the max pressure of .41 mag?
Max pressure of both the .41 and .44 mag is 36,000 psi.

outerlimit
April 21, 2009, 07:17 PM
Well, I think the main difference between the .41 and the .44 was that the .44 was developed to be a hunting round. The .41 was developed to be the next big police caliber. It never caught on because of the recoil.

The .44 when hand loaded has more case capacity and can use slightly heavier bullets, the .41 has a better ballistic coefficient and more versatility in medium framed guns.

I believe that they can cross over into each other's territory and do both things well, but one has more potential as a hunting round and one has more potential as a self defense round.

Beagle-zebub
April 21, 2009, 08:46 PM
Are the throats on Ruger .41 magnums chronically undersized the way they are on their .45 LCs?

Archer1945
April 21, 2009, 09:34 PM
The 41 magnum has always been a very underated caliber though it was not what Bill Jordan and others who approached Remington and S&W really wanted. What they wanted was a handgun for LEO use that was more powerful than the 38 Special but without the "problems" of the 45 ACP. They figured something in 41 caliber with a bullet moving in the 900 - 950 fps range and would fit in a K-frame gun, would be just about right, in other words, a 41 Special. Remington decided that wasn't really what they wanted and came up with the .41 Magnum which was much hotter than the K-frame could handle. So instead of an excellent LEO round we were given a gun/round that had to try and compete with the well-established 44 Magnum.

Virtually all those who have used the 41 magnum say it does everything it is supposed to and even more. However the word "magnum" was the death knell for it as a LEO weapon in most jurisdictions because it scared the politicos with their thoughts of claims of 'police brutality' and thoughts of law suits because of bullets shooting clear through at least ten people. It also came along when more and more departments were starting to think about higher capacity guns and the Illinois State Police had adopted the 9mm as their service sidearm.

The 41 is a handloader's dream and ranks right up with the two 44s and the 45LC for versatility. If I'm not mistaken there are some custom revolver builders who will build a 41 Special on both the K and L frame Smiths.

Iggy
April 21, 2009, 10:33 PM
The onliest thing that I shot with a .41 mag including Horses, Bulls, Coyotes, Mule Deer, and an Elk, that survived was a 1970 Ford Bronco. The 210 JHP only made it to the radio in the dash and that warn't fatal.:evil:

Virginian
April 22, 2009, 01:12 AM
Shoot, I killed the radio in a 1968 Mustang deadern' a floornail with a 22LR. Stone cold dead with one shot.

MMCSRET
April 22, 2009, 09:59 AM
I've missed just as many targets with my 44's as I have with my 41's. Good calibers, both!!!!!!!

ArmedBear
April 22, 2009, 10:07 AM
A factory stainless L-Frame in .41 would be a great gun.

Custom? People have money to burn, I guess.

I'll have to settle for the N-Frame in .43.:D

Close enough, given that I can probably get 3 for the price of a custom L-Frame.

Elmer Keith was shipped Smith and Wesson's Serial #1 and #2, and Remington's first boxes of ammo. He really liked the caliber for hunting, from day 1.

I think what really hurt the .41, apart from the LE PR issues, was that everyone who comprised the real market for it already owned a .44, or several.

20nickels
April 23, 2009, 12:08 AM
The forcing cone in an L frame would not handle 41 magnum pressures. That's the only serious drawback. Five rds would fit perfectly.

Mainer2009
April 23, 2009, 04:55 PM
800 is a good deal. And I think you will really like the gun, I own a M57 as well, and I have been very happy with it. happy shooting :)

41 magnum fan
April 25, 2009, 01:43 AM
The 41 magnum is my favorite handgun caliber.In my experience the 41 magnum is generally more accurate than either the 357 mag or the 44 mag.Great gun .You will love it.

22-rimfire
April 25, 2009, 11:56 AM
I have had similar experience 41 mag fan. I don't know if it is the caliber or the nature of the recoil that results in my shooting it better in general. But I do.

outerlimit
April 25, 2009, 02:01 PM
"The 41 magnum is my favorite handgun caliber."

I never would have guessed that. :D

AlPackin
April 25, 2009, 09:01 PM
love my 57, near the top of the bunch, great shooter

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj300/AlPackin/IMG_1703.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj300/AlPackin/IMG_1706.jpg

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