[husker]

iv been saving for a colt walker. my local gun shop has a new walker made by colt for $650 it seems kinda high compared to Cabelas Uberty Walker for $400. is the extra $250 really worth the money? Thanks guys. PS is this something i could order from colt them selves and save a buck or two. i dont think you need a FFL for B-P

[jcowan]

There are much more experienced BP shooters who will post soon, but in the mean time here is my less than expert opinion. I have been looking for a Walker and that is a good price if it is a Colt. If you look on gunbroker.com you will see them for much more in Colt 2nd or 3rd generation. Colt no longer makes BP guns and have not for some time. The Uberti is a great gun and you will love it but it is not a Colt. So IMHO, yes it is worth the extra $250. And yes you can have a BP revolver sent to your house or pick it up with no FFL involved (except I believe NJ does not allow it). Like I said I have only had this seemingly incureable disease for a few months, but the people who have been infected for a long time will post soon.

[barneyrw]

Colt doesn't make them anymore. If it's a 2nd Generation Colt Walker it was made in the early 1980's. If it's a 3rd Generation Walker (Signature Series) it was made in the 1990's. They are both considered true Colt's even though Uberti supplied the rough castings to Colt and Colt did the finish work. The Uberti is an Italian replica Colt hence the price difference. If it is still in the box with paperwork the price is about right, they vary some in price. I just today purchased a 2nd Generation Colt 3rd Model Dragoon unfired in 99% condition without box on GunBroker for $375 which I thought was a great deal. The Walkers go for a little more usually. Here is a website on 2nd & 3rd Generation Colts.

https://www.bluebookinc.com/Info/PDF/POWDER/MBPHistoryOfColtBlack.pdf

[mykeal]

You need to positively determine the manufacturer before you can say if it's worth the additional $250. If you're sure it's a genuine Colt, the Blue Book of Modern Black Powder Arms Fifth Edition (2007), values the 2nd Generation Walkers at $1000 in 100% condition; that's for the standard issue gun - special editions are more. The Walker was issued as an 'F' series gun only in the 2nd Generation offerings. The 3rd Generation Walker is valued at $650 in 100% condition; it has Sam Colt's signature on the backstrap.

By contrast the Uberti Walker is valued at $350 in 100% condition.

The Blue Book is only a guide. Actual prices can and do vary considerably in either direction.

[Fingers McGee]

6th Edition Blue Book - 2009 just came out and has the values a little higher. It lists the 2nd Gen at $1100 for 100% condition with box and papers. Sig Series is $700 for 100% with box and papers.

2nd Gens came in the Black and Gold box; while the Sig Series came in a gray box with a white outer shipping carton. 2nd Gen serial numbers ran from 1200 to 3772; and from 32256 to 32500. Don't know Sig series SN range; but they all had Sam Colt signature engraved on the backstrap.

Don't waste time, They're only gonig to get more expensive. :D:D

[gclefton]

1847 WALKER, Colt 2nd Generation, F-1600:

Serial numbers: 1200 - 4120; total 2,573; from 6/80 to 4/82
Serial numbers: 32256 - 32500; total 245; from 5/81 to 9/81

[scrat]

We talked about this about a month ago. I would prefer a Uberti rather than a colt. Unless you plan on just putting it away. The parts for the Uberti are much more available than the colt. Owners of both have tried to interchange the parts and they do not work. So if you plan on shooting it often then get something that you can get parts for. Which the Uberti is the one to get. Then make sure you join the Walker Club.

[madcratebuilder]

The parts for the Uberti are much more available than the colt. Owners of both have tried to interchange the parts and they do not work.

The internal parts well interchange, they may require fitting.

is $650 to much?

That's a very good price, does it have the box and papers? It should shoot the same as the Uberti but it well have a better fit and finish. It well always havwe a better re-sale value.

[Big Daddy Grim]

650 is a good price from what I have seen for an authentic Colt.

[husker]

sorry for not adding this info at the start guys. its in 45 cal. not 44 does that mean any thing.

[Fingers McGee]

It's a 44. .44 cal C&Bs have bore diameters of .451 to .457.

Also. .38 Cals are .357 dia
.36 Cals are .375 - .380 dia
38-40s are .401 dia
44-40s are .426 - .429 dia

Don't ask why, that's just the way it is.

[husker]

im going to go back in the morning and make them take it out of the glass case and take a real good look at this revolver. they have it tagged as a new 45 cal. Colt Walker. which threw me right from the start. i didnt think colt made BP any more or in 45 cal.

[J.T. Gerrity]

i didnt think colt made BP any more or in 45 cal.

It's a 44. .44 cal C&Bs have bore diameters of .451 to .457.

Also. .38 Cals are .357 dia
.36 Cals are .375 - .380 dia
38-40s are .401 dia
44-40s are .426 - .429 dia

Don't ask why, that's just the way it is.

Colt doesn't make them anymore. If it's a 2nd Generation Colt Walker it was made in the early 1980's. If it's a 3rd Generation Walker (Signature Series) it was made in the 1990's. They are both considered true Colt's even though Uberti supplied the rough castings

Walkers are all .44 cal.; the only .45 caliber BP (cartridge) Colt is the Peacemaker and it's derivatives. Colt Blackpowder revolvers are hands down far superior to any Uberti in fit and finish; kind of like comparing a Lexus with a Toyota. Well worth the price. Take care of it and you won't have to be replacing parts.

[scrat]

nope nope nope

a Walker is a 45 caliber if and only if you change the cylinder to shoot 45 colt

[husker]

ILL BE BALLLLLCK. with more info tomorrow.

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

My Uberti shoots a .457 swaged round lead ball (and very well I might add) and is almost universally considered to be in the .45 category, although of course it is called the 1847 .44 Walker Colt...14th Alabama CSA..

[apachejack]

I have a Uberti and a Colt signature and the fit and finish is pretty darn close to the same. It is hard to tell the difference if they are just laying on a table next to each other. The Colt has never been fired and the Uberti has been used numerous times and it is still hard to see the difference. BUT the colt will hold it's value a whole lot better.

[44-henry]

I had one of the signature series Walkers for awhile and the finish was worse than my Uberti. The octagon portion of the barrel was badly rounded over by careless polishing with a buffer and even the case colors looked funny on it. I've seen this same problem on other Signature Series guns before so the quality definitely went down a notch in my opinion. True 2nd generation guns have always seemed to be very high quality with excellent fit and finish and this is what I would buy if I was going for the Colt name. The only thing that the Uberti gives up in my estimation is that they use cyanide casehardening which looks much different from the bone and wood charcoal method that Colt used in the 19th century and today.

[A. Walker]

Let's see pictures of your Ubertis that look "just like this" third generation signature series Walker.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=96185&d=1239657973

[madcratebuilder]

The 3rd gens have a much darker gloss black finish on them. The color case hardening is the same for 2nd and 3rd gens.
I did a oil finish on these grips, the bluing sure looks different then a 3rd gen.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/walker1.jpg
This 3rd gen Dragoon has a similar finish to your Walker.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/fluteddrg01.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/fluteddrg02.jpg

[J.T. Gerrity]

It's the nature of these forums that, when you make a statement, there'll always be someone who posts to argue your point. I have Colt Blackpowder (2nd and 3rd gen,), Uberti and Pietta, and the Colts win hands down as far as fit, finish and ease of operation. Ubertis are fine guns, as far as they go, but they just don't go as far as the Colts do. Give me a Colt Blackpowder gun over a Uberti any day. Just my opinion...

[mykeal]

Mine too.

[Smokin_Gun]

Uberti Walker...
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Smokin_Gun/Mowrey%20and%20Big%20Boy%20Colts/Uberti1847Walker1.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Smokin_Gun/Mowrey%20and%20Big%20Boy%20Colts/Uberti1847Walker2.jpg
Colt Sig Dragoon...
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Smokin_Gun/Mowrey%20and%20Big%20Boy%20Colts/ColtSig1stModelDragoon1.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Smokin_Gun/Mowrey%20and%20Big%20Boy%20Colts/ColtSig1stModel2.jpg

[husker]

ok i just talked to the dealer and he has no info on this walker or paper work. he says it has never been fired. it didnt look like it had been shot when i was there looking at it. can the serial # tell anything about this gun? or is it a waste of time. and i should just go buy it? i have not held this Walker yet. just looked at it threw the glass case that it is hanging in.

[scrat]

You realize for $650 you can buy a WALKER and a Conversion cylinder

Here is my Cimmaron Uberti Walker

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q77/scratm3/Picture026.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q77/scratm3/Picture027.jpg

[scrat]

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q77/scratm3/IMG_1899-1.jpg

[scrat]

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q77/scratm3/IMG_1895.jpg

[mykeal]

can the serial # tell anything about this gun? or is it a waste of time. and i should just go buy it? i have not held this Walker yet.
Rule No. 1 for buying black powder guns: NEVER, EVER buy a black powder gun without either A) handling and completely inspecting it in person, or B) getting a 3-day no question asked return guarantee if you cannot do A.
Rule No. 2 for buying black powder guns: See rule No. 1.

Go back, take the gun out of the case, look it over very carefully for poor fit, scratches (esp on cylinder), cylinder end play, action smoothness tight cylinder lockup in half and full cock (do NOT let the hammer down from half cock without first going to full cock!). Ask permission first, then remove the barrel and cylinder, shine a light in each chamber, look through the nipple holes, sight down the barrel looking for rough spots, pits, corrosion. Take careful note of condition of the recesses in the cylinders where the nipples are installed for evidence of fouling/roughness.

See Posts 5 and 6 for 2nd Generation serial numbers. If the serial numbers are in that range, and if Saml Colt's address is on the top of the barrel, then it's a 2nd Generation Colt, and if it's in new condition, it's worth considerably more than $650. If Sam Colt's signature is on the backstrap, then it's a 3rd Generation Colt Blackpowder Arms gun, and if it's in new condition, it's worth just about $650. If there's no Sam Colt address on the barrel or signature on the backstrap, it's not a 2nd or 3rd Generation Colt and not worth the money.

[scrat]

Good Advice Mykeal good advice

[husker]

so much to learn yet. is the back strap whats in between the hand grips. am i right.

[A. Walker]

Colt Blackpowder 3rd gen. Walker:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=97045&stc=1&d=1240705704

[mykeal]

so much to learn yet. is the back strap whats in between the hand grips. am i right.
Yep.

[husker]

you guys are all such a great help thanks LYNN. i tried to get their before they closed but didnt make it. so ill go Monday morning

[Fingers McGee]

can the serial # tell anything about this gun? or is it a waste of time. and i should just go buy it? i have not held this Walker yet.

2nd Gens and Sig Series Walkers all have the serial number on the barrel, frame, backstrap, triggerguard, cylinder, arbor, loading lever, wedge and pencil or pen inscribed within the backstrap channel of the grips.

Walkers from other manufacturers will only have the serial number on the frame, and occasionally the barrel.

[arcticap]

My question is whether or not it should be reasonably expected that a dealer allow an unturned Colt Commemorative to be disassembled for inspection by a potential buyer?
If the gun is truely unturned, then I could understand why the dealer would refuse the request. That reason being that it's in the same condition as it was when it left the factory.
Just imagine if every person who simply expressed an interest in buying it requested to inspect it in that manner?
The gun would probably get dinged and dented up resulting in it no longer being in 100% condition.
I'm not saying that it shouldn't be inspected, but then I'm not so sure that a dealer should allow it to happen either.
If the price was based on and reflected the fact that disassembly would not be allowed, then I don't think that would necessarily be a bad choice for the buyer since that decision would in essence be protecting his own investment in an unturned Colt Commemorative.
So maybe commemoratives are one exception to the rule about having a mandatory inspection and disassembly for internal flaws.
And if an exception is made for commemoratives, then why not make an exception for any other unturned collectible Colt revolver?
So I'm curious about the acceptable buying protocol for a Colt collectable vs. the procedure for buying just about any other factory production C&B revolver.
With regard to conducting an internal inspection prior to purchase, are there logical procedural differences that can be justified or not? :rolleyes:

[Jefferson Herb]

Scrat ,Mykeal,I agree with the advice of handle it and inspect it.I've been looking at Uberties,procrastinating my next purchase,and I found differences in the ones I've looked at

[mykeal]

It's not been described as a Colt Commemorative, simply a 2nd or possibly 3rd Generation. Also, I did not suggest that the dealer's refusal to allow removing the barrel and cylinder was cause for walking away from the deal. If it's truly unturned that should be discernible, so such a refusal would not be a deal breaker. However, if the gun is not that pristine, I'd have some concern about a refusal; that would affect my overall opinion and if combined with other problems, lead to backing off from the deal.

[WalkerSlinger]

Hello all,

I have an Uberti 1847 Walker, and I have yet to shoot it. I have scheduled some Black Powder classes at a gun range, but never find the time to make it there. I do how ever go shooting with my 1911 quite often. I would like to get a conversion kit for my Walker to take it to in-door ranges and fire cartridge ammo with it, but I do not want to give up the BP aspect of it. I am wondering are any of those "drop in, cylinder conversion kits" good? Can you interchange the cartridge with the BP easily or does it require a gun smith? I saw pictures (which is what drew me to this site) of someone with their conversion kit and their BP cylinder, so I am lead to believe what I ask is possible. But any feedback, or recommended conversion kits, and information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

[Das Jaeger]

Yes, what you want and want to do is fine .
R and D makes a drop in drop out cylinder for your gun in 45 Colt .
Expect to pay $300 for it , some places less , some places more .
NOW GO SHOOT IT ! :)

Das Jaeger :)

[NobleSniper]

Two Uberti Walkers ;)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y244/houchins1/Walker13.jpg

[Das Jaeger]

Ahhh the Colt with two pece piece grips ,a gun after my own heart , gimme ! :)

Das Jaeger

Sweet guns , very sweeeeeet :)

[NobleSniper]

Thanks alot ;)

[idaram]

By any chance did you do the gold work yourself? Looks great!

Regards........Andy

[madcratebuilder]

You can get the gold inlay kits for under $15 at Brownells or Midway. They work very well and you can remove it if you want.

[NobleSniper]

No I did not. A former owner of this revovler was a jewler and he inlayed everything in 24K gold ;)