[xbox360]

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=127622584
I was looking at the Mossberg 500 Cruiser 410 Shotgun does anyone have one? cons/pros? and does anyone of the 12ga verison?;)

[JImbothefiveth]

Cons? It's a .410. And without a stock it won't be as easy to shoot as one with a stock. The stock also probably makes the gun quicker to aim, and you might not be able to use the sights without a stock.

[xbox360]

whos ahsa? a gun company?

[JImbothefiveth]

The American Hunters and Shooters association. They are an anti-gun group in disguise. Keep in mind that wasn't directed specifically at this thread, it's just my signature.

[5knives]

1) .410 Only if you cannot possibly handle a 12 gauge. (which can have less recoil than a 20 gauge.)

2.) Avoid Pistol Grip only shotguns

3. Mossberg 500 series is always a reasonable and practical choice.

Find a way to shoot a few, especially the PG only version and you'll understand why I say that.

JMO and the very short version at that, others MMV and probably will.

Regards,
:)

[xbox360]

why would I stay away from pistol grips? I thought the point in having that easy to move in and out of your house doorways/narrow rooms/walls/etc. I only need to fire maybe once or twice if someone broke in. Not like like I am going to be shooting at a range with pistol grip shotgun all day breaking my hand lol.

[JImbothefiveth]

They are still probably not as easy to aim, especially under stress. From what I understand, people usually fire them frop the hip so they don't hurt their face. That means you can't use the sights.

And, my guess is that the stock will allow you to fire faster.

Also, in general you shouldn't be house clearing if you are usre someone is there. It's dangerous.

[xbox360]

I would rather have the pistol grip makes it shorter and slide under the bed. Its a shotgun the pellets are going fly everywhere.



Could you add a SLING to the Mossberg 500 Cruiser ?

[AcceptableUserName]

"why would I stay away from pistol grips? I thought the point in having that easy to move in and out of your house doorways/narrow rooms/walls/etc. I only need to fire maybe once or twice if someone broke in. Not like like I am going to be shooting at a range with pistol grip shotgun all day breaking my hand lol."


you can take peoples advice or you can learn on your own. take your pick. youve made a ton of preposterous threads lately, so if i were you id do a little of both. take into account what people say and test it for yourself on the range. and if someone broke in and had anything upwards of a Walther .22 and the know how the people who are trying to give you advice have I'm fairly sure he'd smoke you, regardless of whatever newfangled "video game gun" you heard was cool in gym class.

[JImbothefiveth]

I would rather have the pistol grip makes it shorter and slide under the bed. Its a shotgun the pellets are going fly everywhere. Shoot it first, and at house ranges. See how well you can hit.

I've missed stationary targets before at maybe 10-15 yards with a stocked shotgun using birdshot, just because I didn't know the proper sight picture. Birdshot has a lot more pellets, with buckshot you only get around 9, and at 10-15 yards the shot will spread a lot more than at house ranges of maybe 5.

And also, the more pellets hit the better. If only one buckshot pellet hits, it's about the same as maybe a .32 or .380.

Could you add a SLING to the Mossberg 500 Cruiser ?
Probably.

[xbox360]

Thanks

[BENELLIMONTE]

Mossberg 500 is used by the U.S Armed Forces therefore a good choice. Other good choices would Remington 870, Browning BPS ( I own one in 12 ga.) or an older, used Ithaca Model 37. IMHO 12 or 20 gauge would be your logical choice over the 410.

[JImbothefiveth]

I thought they used the 590. Maybe they use the 500 too. Or maybe I was just mistaken.

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

It's a fire-arm, man, not a magic wand.

Pellets are going to be flying, but in one specific direction.

They're most likely to be flying in the correct direction if you use a stock.

[BENELLIMONTE]

Begining in 1979 up through 2006 all 5 branches of the U.S Armed Forces have issued Mossberg M500, M590 and the rarely issued semi-auto M5500 used in the "Dearmer Program". The only signicant difference is the 590 has a an extended, easy opening magazine tube thus allowing for a maximum of nine shots. The 590 is available with optional bayonet lug & ventilated metal handguard.
See American Rifleman May, 2007 for an excellent article on Mossberg Combat Shotguns.

[augustino]

The other night I was at Wal-Mart and got to talking with the man behind the counter in sporting goods, the section with the firearms. We talked about the lack of ammo and then I asked to check out a Mossberg from the case. I love the position of the safety, atop so it's perfect for both right and left ahnded shooters.
I then asked to check out the Remington 870. I was actually comparing them both to my Winchester 1300 Defender and Deer hunter shotgun. I notice that on both the Moss & Remy that the wooden grip on the pump was rather loose and flimsy feeling as compared to the Winchesters I own. I also noticed that the "movement" was not as slick as it is with the 1300 either. Perhaps I'm just used to the 1300s but for me I think the 1300 is one of the finest, BUDGET shotguns available and the best assembled as well. TOO bad Winchester stopped making them but they have come out with a new line but I know nothing about them.
Just my opinion and we know what's said about opinions...
Anyhow be it a Winchester, a remington a Mossberg or whatever, I prefer the full stock and not ppistol grips. I become as close to one with any firearm I use and a pistol grip shotgun does not allow me to get the "ONE" feeling from such a robust firearm.

[JShirley]

When I got my current Mossberg 500, I put moly grease on the action rails and pumped it a few hundred times. Slicked the action up pretty quickly. :)

Still, the smoothest shotgun I've handled was a used 870 I bought for Byron's birthday some years ago.

John

[Big Bill]

Get a Benelli M4 Tactical...

http://www.benelliusa.com/shotguns/benelli_m4.php

[Todd A]

Not like like I am going to be shooting at a range with pistol grip shotgun all day breaking my hand lol.

Then get a 500 with a shoulder stock.

I like my 12 gauge 500 with PGO, but it does take practice to shoot well enough even for close HD range. If you are not willing to shoot enough to learn to manage the recoil,and hit what you are pointing at don't go PGO.

A PGO may look cool to you, but they have no place on a gun that is to be loaded and stuffed under a bed.

[Captain Kyle]

The mossberg JIC looks very cool it comes in a waterproof tube and its designed for defense :D

[JShirley]

For suggested retail on those, you could find find a gently used piece, replace the stock if you really feel the need to handicap yourself (and you didn't just find one of the very many "shot twice" M500 campers out there for less than $200), and buy a sturdy case and some ammunition.

Or, you can buy the hype. Whichever. :rolleyes:

John

[Kayback]

Shotguns can be short, but I honestly despise PGO shotguns. I see no need for them. If you are going to get a long gun, get a long gun. Otherwise use a pistol and aim it.

You can get very short OAL shotguns, even if you need to register them as AOW's.

Get a shotgun. Chop it down (get a pro to do it) Stick a folding /collapsable stock on it. There you go. It adds half a second to the shouldering time, but you will hit your target more often, saving the second shot time.

Personally I like M4 style stocks, because they can be shouldered collapsed if need be.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/Kayback/Gunpics/Comparison.jpg

STAY AWAY FROM PGO SHOTGUNS.

They require too much hope and prayer to shoot properly. People can get good at them, but I'm a great aiming over pointing supporter, and if you aren't going to spend the time at the range getting "good", then get the easier of the two to use.

You don't default to where you want to be under stress. You default to your level of proficiency.

KBK

[chuckusaret]

I have a PGO shotgun for HD and it is perfect for short range shooting. I am as good with it as with a shotgun with a buttstock at 5yds to 15yds. I do practice every other sunday with all my guns. I would not want to be shot at short range with any gauge shotgun, all are deadly.

[-v-]

Its doable, but you MUST practice point-shooting from about hip level quite a bit. It is not an intuitive skill for most and must be heavily drilled. At typical SD ranges, expect about 3" or less of spread from most commercial 00B hunting loadings. If its one of the tactical loadings, expect even less than that. I recall Federal 00B will spread 1.5" at 10 yards (30 feet) from a 20" bbl.

[Eric F]

Its doable, but you MUST practice point-shooting from about hip level quite a bit. IMO thats a good way to miss every time. The top instrictors dont even teach this as a recomended method. http://www.americanhandgunner.com/webblastTRDS.html

[-v-]

To be honest, I really don't have much trouble shooting a pistol-gripped M500 from the hip with about 80-90% accuracy at targets up to 15 yards away, which is more then plenty for the layout of my home. I think as King Ghidora said, either you intuitively know where your barrel is pointed and what its staring at, or you don't. Might be something you can practice and drill on, maybe not. I was able to do this from the first time I picked up and ran my first shotgun. To be honest, that's one thing that bores/ed me about shotguns: Too easy compared to a rifle.

Gunfights and HD fights aren't nice clean affairs, they are vulgar brawls where you must do any and everything to survive. Its one thing to shoot it at the range with lots of open space and no tactical considerations, but what about negotiating a narrow confines of a home where some Goblin is roving around? I personally don't want to have a 3 foot tent pole sticking out in front of me that s/he can grab. If need be, drop the gun to the hip, aim with the feel of the muzzle. .

I find scoffing at practicing firing shotguns from the hip is on par with people who scoff at practicing point-shooting with a handgun. Its all fine at the range and all to shoot weaver 3-point stance slow-fire one shot per 5 seconds, but when the Goblin is 3 feet away, you're not going to have time to do things "as they should", you have time to either do it good enough to get the job done or die. Its messy, its sloppy, its a fight for your life, not a sport. You must be ready to be as adaptable flexible and aggressive as possible to win.

[.357MagTaurus]

Mossberg 500 Persuader/Cruiser 12 gauge 8 shot with 20" barrel. See attached photo.

[UnclePete]

A 12 is clearly a much more powerful cartridge than a .410, but never dismiss the little fella, you would not want to get shot by one.

This morning I finished a shooting session with a 3 inch .410 cartridge in the chamber of my Mossberg pump, and rather than eject it into the nettles I fired it into one of some old phone directories I had ready to go in the incinerator.

It punched through the 1028 pages and made a hole in the ground 3 inches wide and about the same depth. Now I don't know how phonebook paper correlates to flesh, and I don't care because I'm not planning to shoot anyone. But I do know I would not want to stand in the way of that punch.

The big advantage of .410 is you can shoot them all day and not feel knocked about, because the recoil is negligible. You get very familiar with the gun, you can point and shoot in a flash, and reload without looking or thinking. If you're going to practice, practice, practice, it's a lot easier with a .410.