Schmeisser Model 1 - Broke firing pin


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Aw4g63
April 22, 2009, 11:27 PM
I have a C.G. Haenel Schmeisser Model 1 that my grandfather brought home from WW2. The gun is in remarkable shape for it's age. It sat in my mothers dresser from when he passed about 35 years ago. My mother finally gave it to me since i've bugged her for it for years.

Upon tearing it down I noticed the firing pin was broken. I've looked around on the web and I couldn't find one. I did find replacement grips for a broken grip it had which was great!

Anyone have any ideas where I could find an original pin? I know i could have one made but I'd love to just find the part. I've watched Gun Broker and haven't seen anything for over 3 months. Any ideas?

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Sunray
April 23, 2009, 01:03 PM
You won't be finding any parts for it. Hasn't been made since 1930. A smithy might be able to make a firing pin, but it won't be cheap.
Here's some good info on your pistol.
http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20allemande/a%20haenel%20schmeisser%20gb.htm

Aw4g63
April 23, 2009, 08:03 PM
By compairision of the eye the Baby Browning firing pin looks very similar. Which is a more common gun. I've searched gun shows but haven't found a pin, however I've seen a bunch of whole guns. I may pick one of those up to try it.

rcmodel
April 24, 2009, 12:37 PM
Don't bother with the Baby Browning part. It won't fit.

Any gunsmith worthy of the name can put a new tip in the broken FP in about a half hour.

rc

Jim K
April 25, 2009, 01:06 PM
Suggestion, try a Colt Old Model .25 auto or a Browning M1910/M1922 firing pin (same). I think Gun Parts Corp has them. You can always send it back if it doesn't work, if you don't do anything to it.

Jim

PTK
April 25, 2009, 03:15 PM
A gunsmith should be able to fix that FP in less than an hour, as stated. You're looking at less than $50 of work. :)

Aw4g63
April 27, 2009, 12:53 PM
Don't bother with the Baby Browning part. It won't fit.

Any gunsmith worthy of the name can put a new tip in the broken FP in about a half hour.

rc

Yes it does. Why are you saying it doesn't fit? Do you have exact dimensional date? I slid one in the slide at the gun show. But I didn't want to do more than that because it was from a working gun and the fella was being nice enough to just let me see the pin.

rcmodel
April 27, 2009, 01:17 PM
I said it doesn't fit because I do not have exact dimensional measurements for a Schmeisser Model 1.

Better to error on the side of safety.

There is much more to consider then the size of the hole in the slide.
The striker diameter may be the same, but that doesn't mean the sear depth, location & OAL length are exactly the same.

I would be amazed if they are.

And with a striker fired design like the Baby Browning, or the Schmeisser Model 1, exact sear location & depth, and OAL of the striker are the only thing that allows the safety to work.
Or even load a round without it going off!

Rather then to error on the side of "maybe", from this distance, I said it wouldn't fit.

Without dimensional data, or the actual parts from the two guns, including the missing tip, to measure, I would still say the same thing.

rc

Aw4g63
October 1, 2012, 02:56 PM
Wow, it's been over 3 years so I just wanted to update this thread to help others in the future. Especially since it's in the first results on Google when you search for a Schmeisser firing pin.

I threw this aside for a long time and recent started digging around again. I ended up just ordering every .25 ACP firing pin on Gunbroker and found one that functions PERFECTLY and is VERY common and cheap.

This Schmeisser is the only thing I own from a grandfather I never met. Yesterday, I finally put 30 rounds through it with zero problems. It was a great feeling.


The pin I used was a Colt pocket model 25 ACP firing pin. Works like a charm. I was a little worried it would cause a light strike but it had solid, clean hits on all the primers I inspected. The pin stays locked back during bumps, jolts and taps against hard surfaces. I didn't drop the gun because I'll never carry this gun loaded. Just a safe queen due to it's sentimental value.

Aw4g63
October 1, 2012, 03:00 PM
Here's a photo comparison I sent to a machinist friend as a joke when he asked for a CAD file. Ignore the notes.


The darker intact pin is from a Colt 25ACP pistol. The broken longer pin is from the Scmeisser Model 1. The shorter length is why I feared light strikes but as I noted, no problems! I really hope this helps someone in the future, these pins can be found for $20.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a297/aw4g63/Arms/CaDFileofFiringPin.jpg

Dr.Rob
October 1, 2012, 04:58 PM
That's funny. When I got my Colt .25 vest pocket pistol it had a Schmeisser marked magazine with it.. and it worked.

ApacheCoTodd
October 1, 2012, 08:27 PM
Cool! I'm gonna pull my browning pin and compare it to my broken Ortgies pin tomorrow.

Jim K
October 1, 2012, 11:03 PM
All of those small auto strikers look the same and surprising number interchange. But one thing to look for is that some, like the Colt Vest Pocket 1908 model, have a long firing pin tip that also serves as the ejector. If a replacement pin doesn't have that, the gun will fire but the fired case will not eject.

Jim

gyvel
October 2, 2012, 11:13 AM
Cool! I'm gonna pull my browning pin and compare it to my broken Ortgies pin tomorrow.

The FN/Browning pins are not even close to an Ortgies.

Try Gunbroker or eBay.

gyvel
October 2, 2012, 11:19 AM
Over the years in working on variouos small autos, I have learned that some use strikers virtually identical in every respect to an original FN/Browning.

Some examples of interchangeable strikers are Duo, MAB, Schmeisser, and a couple of close Spanish FN copies.

BTW, AW4g63, the pin you refer to as a Colt actually looks short to me, but if it works, no matter. Colt and FN/Browning pins are virtually identical.

ApacheCoTodd
October 2, 2012, 11:56 AM
The FN/Browning pins are not even close to an Ortgies.

Try Gunbroker or eBay.
Blast and tarnation! Thanks for the heads-up though.

gyvel
October 3, 2012, 12:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gyvel
The FN/Browning pins are not even close to an Ortgies.

Try Gunbroker or eBay.

Blast and tarnation! Thanks for the heads-up though.

Numrich has them still available; The part number is 1180730.

There is a small notch in the firing pin tunnel to aid with reassembly. The rear end of the firing pin spring guide is temporarily put into the notch, after which the slide can be reinstalled without mangling the spring.

ApacheCoTodd
October 3, 2012, 11:26 AM
Numrich has them still available; The part number is 1180730.

There is a small notch in the firing pin tunnel to aid with reassembly. The rear end of the firing pin spring guide is temporarily put into the notch, after which the slide can be reinstalled without mangling the spring.
I thought I tried Numrich and they were out. I'll go again.

Thanks for the note on reassembly - I found that out already, but thanks.

Another note on these type pistols - DON'T DRY FIRE!

4v50 Gary
October 13, 2012, 09:29 PM
Silver solder it.

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