The S & W Model 13 appreciation Thread


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Oyeboten
April 23, 2009, 05:43 AM
My first .357...and my first now-a-days Gun of any sort.

Have not fired it yet...just got it this morning.

http://inlinethumb61.webshots.com/43260/2901683790067835264S600x600Q85.jpg (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2901683790067835264uXcUbc)

Anyway, 'Pinned and Recessed', a 13-2.

The Gun and Ammo selling Pawn Shop, who did the FFL deed transfer for me, very nice people, on their bottomshelf, under some stuff, was a NOS Box of Peters
.357, 158 grn, no price-tag, guy says "Ohhhh, hows about $25.00...", so I got it...which Ammo is about the right mid-to-late '70s vintage for the Pistol..."Perfect", so it's in the picture too.

Thought it would be fun to have a Thread for the Model 13s to get some play and admires and discussion even.

I know various members here have these tucked away...so, bring 'em out..!


"Range Report" once I find somewhere to shoot...



Phil
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LUPUS
April 23, 2009, 05:47 AM
Congrats for your real, old school SW 'Pinned and Recessed' revolver.
I am sure you will enjoy it. Regards.

tasco 74
April 23, 2009, 06:19 AM
i had a model 13-2 just like the one there for my first handgun.... i got it in 79 and shot it quite a bit... i liked the k-frame heavy barreled .357 magnum and i'd like to get another one... i traded mine and $100 for a 95% in the original box 1968 vintage s&w model 27-2 6 inch a few years ago.... ideally a mod 13-2 3" round grip would be the one for me......

LIFE IS SHORT.....

Oyeboten
April 23, 2009, 04:32 PM
Hi tasco 74,



Yes...the 3" Round Butt is definitely a charmer.


Originally, that is what I was after...then, I realized I also liked the 4" Square Butt...and, long story short, I decided which ever came first, opportuniy/finance-wise, was fine with me.

So, the patient search for a 3" Round version, in a 13-1, or, 13-2, will continue..!


Also, I've had thoughts about putting ( or having an able Smith, put ) a 4" Barrel, on an erstwhile 3", in order to have a 4", Round Butt Model.

S & W should have offered that option!

It had been popular with the old M&Ps and even into some of the Model 10s, and would be a very nice configuration.




Phil
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keyboard commando
April 23, 2009, 04:48 PM
Here's my 4". I would also like to find a three inch. :scrutiny:

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q274/pistola_photo/Model13002.jpg
;)

Phydeaux642
April 23, 2009, 08:57 PM
I picked up a 3" round butt last year for $275. Man, that sounds nice everytime I say it.:D (Also pickd up a 4" square butt last year for $325.)

Oyeboten
April 23, 2009, 09:00 PM
Yes...that does sound nice!

Wish me similar good fortune on my Round-Butt quest!


Phil
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Windhover45
April 24, 2009, 01:39 AM
I managed to find a nice 3 inch round butt. Here it is, with a 2.5 inch M66.

http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt256/derfel1/smith2.jpg

wraco
April 24, 2009, 01:53 AM
Here's mine . . a Model 13-1

Rod

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc183/wraco/ccw004-1.jpg
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc183/wraco/snub-nose008.jpg

camsdaddy
April 24, 2009, 11:42 AM
I have a 4" 13 myself. I love that gun I found it cheap in a pawn shop about a year ago. I like it but wanted a round butt so I modified the grip and installed pachymer round but grips and its awesome. I wish it were 3" but will never find a 3" for the price I found this one at. Its great IWB.

camsdaddy
January 26, 2010, 11:37 AM
Sorry for digging up an old post. I had to pass this on. I was shooting some 38 reloads this weekend in my Model 13-1. I experienced my first squib load. I opened the cylinder to find the bullet stuck about a 1/4 inch into the barrell. This scared me. A guy I was shooting with called the guy that reloaded the ammo for a local store and he said it was the guns fault. How could it shoot a box of Remington 130gr FMJ just fine and then all of a sudden decide to be defective firing 115 gr HP. Im just curious and honestly dont know. He has offered to give me another box. I am worried though and will no longer trust his ammo and will always have that in the back of my mind if I go to carry my 13.

wlewisiii
January 26, 2010, 12:17 PM
Bad load.

DO NOT use the rest.

DO NOT buy his again.

DO REQUIRE a refund of cost of the box of 115 HP.

ESPECIALLY since he's trying to blame the firearm for his screw-up.

This is someone very dangerous.

William

camsdaddy
January 26, 2010, 12:38 PM
Well luckily the guy I was shooting with works for the local pd and is well respected in the law enforcement community and Glock,sig,...... certified. The guy who reloads is a deputy and the county buys a lot of range ammo from him. I dont think this will be a major problem. I know I wont shoot anymore of his stuff. I hope that I can regain trust in my gun.

MK11
January 27, 2010, 11:45 AM
It ain't the gun. One more box of factory ammo should put any fears to rest.

19-3Ben
January 27, 2010, 12:20 PM
+1.

Don't even think for a moment that your gun had anything to do with it.
Go shoot 100 rounds of factory ammo and you'll be happy again.

jad0110
January 27, 2010, 10:22 PM
The only commercial eloads I've ever used or trusted are from Georgia Arms. I think your 13 is just fine.

3" Model 13 prices seem to be all over the map, depending on the region. They range from low 300s to high 500s. I consider myself fortunate to have found this 13-3 3" a few months ago for $460 with box and papers. I've not put many rounds though it (not enough to trust it for carry duty), but it is a sweet shooter.


http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q139/jad0110/Smith%20and%20Wesson%20Model%2013%20357%20Magnum/DSC01095.jpg

Oyeboten
January 27, 2010, 10:42 PM
Hi camsdaddy,


If the Primer was struck well enough to detonate, then the 'squib' is definitely not the fault of your Revolver, but, the fault of the Cartridge contents, or, implicitly, the fault of the person who produced the Cartridge.


Very possibly, he had ommitted the Powder/Propellant, and it was the Primer only which drove the Bullet shy of exiting the Barrel.

As a re-loader, he would know that if the Bullet is driven part way into the Barrel, it is the result of faulty re-loading, or faulty Propellant/lack of propellant, and not the fault of the Gun.


So...it sounds like this reloading person is not an honest fellow...to be deflecting responsibilty from himself onto you or your Revolver.


P.S.


I never have shot my Model 13!


Put into Storage, and been busy, and finally joined a nice Shooting Club, where I have occasionally gone shooting with other Handguns, anyway...

1713
January 27, 2010, 10:53 PM
13-3 3" round butt with tytle t-grip. Picked up at local shop last year for $475.00. More than I should have paid but it was the gun I wanted.

1911Tuner
January 27, 2010, 11:10 PM
A guy I was shooting with called the guy that reloaded the ammo for a local store and he said it was the guns fault.

A squib is the gun's fault?

What planet is the guy from?

Anyway...

The 3-inch/Round Butt M13 is my all time favorite carry revolver...without reservation.
I also picked up a 4-inch M65 about 3 weeks ago. Haven't had a chance to really wring it out, but it can't wait too much longer.

Confederate
January 27, 2010, 11:59 PM
This experience shows that yes, these things happen, especially when using shoddy ammo (and for goodness sake, stay away from light, fast bullets -- they're just bad for the gun). And watch for things that feel or sound wrong. The gun we're talking about is in fine working condition because the shooter had the good sense to stop and check it out when something seemed wrong.

The Model 19 is a remarkable gun, especially the early ones. It was the one gun I universally recommended to everyone who wanted a good home defense gun. Who could want more?

Too often when people new to handgunning ask about home defense, some clown recommends a Glock 17, which is really a gun for experts who have years of observing stringent gun rules. The 19 is perfect for women, men and teenagers -- and it will provide years of trouble-free service. With the right ammo it will pack one of the greatest punches of any handgun caliber available (if not any handgun caliber, period).

They ought to just crank these guns out by the tens of thousands. It's the VW Beetle of handguns, in my view.

rswartsell
January 28, 2010, 04:44 PM
Isn't the thread about Model 13? Not disputing about the Model 19, which is the same gun with adjustable sights?

jad0110
January 28, 2010, 05:35 PM
Isn't the thread about Model 13? Not disputing about the Model 19, which is the same gun with adjustable sights?

Yes, and you are right about the 19 being the same with adjustable sights (and a shrouded ejector rod). Close enough!

Gordon
January 28, 2010, 10:59 PM
1713
I'd have paid $500 for that one in a heartbeat! Real nice and with the T grip about perfect. I carried one of those as a fed!

Confederate
January 28, 2010, 11:20 PM
The bottom line is that they just don't make 'em like that anymore.

Although the 19 has adjustable sights, there are advantages to fixed sights. The 13 is as close to a trouble-free gun as possible. I really wish I had one. I did at one time and really didn't know where my head was when I sold it.

medic_guns
January 29, 2010, 12:10 AM
Beautiful 13 with the box. I just bought a model 65 3inch. Gave 465 plus shipping; no box, no tools. I'd pay that for a 13 in a heartbeat. Right now my carry rotation consists of the 65, a 36-7, and a colt lawman III with 2inch barrel. All have the low sights. Great guns. My colt is my favorite, though.

jad0110
January 29, 2010, 12:27 AM
Although the 19 has adjustable sights, there are advantages to fixed sights. The 13 is as close to a trouble-free gun as possible. I really wish I had one. I did at one time and really didn't know where my head was when I sold it.

3" .357 K Frames are certainly special guns. I hope you find a 3" 13 again one day, for the right price. As for the sights, each have their pluses and minuses. I can do either. The fixed sights are more reliable/rugged, whereas the adjustable sights with their taller front blade are easier/quicker for my eyes to pick up.

They are getting tough to find though. Interestingly, up until the last few months 3" Model 13s had been undervalued in the marketplace relative to Model 19s and 66s, IMHO. They seemed to be selling for the same or not much more than 3" .38 Special Model 10s. Maybe it is because they look identical to a 3" heavy barrel Model 10. But from what I'm observing on a few different message boards and auction sites, prices are rapidly rising to parity with the 19 and 66. It's as if buyers suddenly discovered that there is another .357 K Frame out there. I'm not familiar enough on 65 prices to comment on them though.

I'd also like to find a 3" Ruger Six of some type too.

Beautiful 13 with the box. I just bought a model 65 3inch. Gave 465 plus shipping; no box, no tools. I'd pay that for a 13 in a heartbeat.

A few more pics ...


http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q139/jad0110/Smith%20and%20Wesson%20Model%2013%20357%20Magnum/DSC01083.jpg


http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q139/jad0110/Smith%20and%20Wesson%20Model%2013%20357%20Magnum/DSC01091.jpg

kansersurvivor
March 21, 2010, 11:24 AM
I just traded an antique koken barber chair that my father had brought back from Coronada, CA when he got out of the SeaBee's in 70, for my first 13-1.

Barely shot one owner, Nickel gun. One chamber in the cylinder has no powder burn marks and seems to corelate with the PO's claims that its been shot VERY Little. Reguardless...I love it.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g57/kncrsr5r/13-1.jpg
S&W Model 13-1 4" Nickel

MagnumDweeb
March 21, 2010, 04:16 PM
I hate to ask the dumb question but isn't the 13 not able to stand up to a steady diet of .357 magnum 158 grains at around 1250fps being an early .357 k-frame. Maybe with more modern metallurgy it'd hold up better. Maybe someone can better enlighten me please.

BullfrogKen
March 21, 2010, 05:04 PM
I'm not aware of 158 grain magnums being a problem. My understanding was the 125 grain Super Velocities were tough on K-frames, causing quite a bit of flame cutting and could cause a crack in the forcing cone.

kansersurvivor
March 21, 2010, 10:33 PM
This is a much debated topic. These guns can shoot magnums just fine. Some say they do not hold up to repeated mag loads but they do. The main problem area is in the forcing cone. If you own one, look at it and you'll see that the 6'oclock area of the cone is actally cut or shaved. This makes this area of the cone marginally weaker and they tend to crack here, if they are going to crack at all. If you can look at a larger N frame magnum the cone is MUCH thicker and perfectly round.

Some say since these were M&P designated, they they were carry often and used little. More like practice with .38 and carry .357.

I've seen some with thousands of rounds through them with .357 and no issues. Others have cracked. I think if you stay with 158gr mag loads you'd be just fine. I'd stay away from lighter grain weight and hopped up loads as the extra pressure created will definately work on the weak area of the cone.

Also, some continue this debate also because some smaller frame magnum barrels are not availible anymore, and if you break the forcing cone then you cant find a replacement for it...and your gun is broken for good. More precaution and protection of investment than the gun not able to handle the mag loads.

My .02 on the issue.

Still love mine.

Confederate
March 21, 2010, 11:55 PM
3" .357 K Frames are certainly special guns. I hope you find a 3" 13 again one day, for the right price. As for the sights, each have their pluses and minuses. I can do either. The fixed sights are more reliable/rugged, whereas the adjustable sights with their taller front blade are easier/quicker for my eyes to pick up.

The 13/19 is becoming so expensive in my state that I'll probably never get one. I suspect that I'll have to live with my 3-inch Ruger Speed-Six, which is fine. It's about the same size, weight and has a similar action (at least mine does).

The bluing of the older model S&Ws is gorgeous and the old wooden grips are ineffective but beautiful.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/Speed-Six_4.jpg

Ruger Speed-Six

wnycollector
March 22, 2010, 07:24 AM
I picked up my 1983 S&W 13-3 4" SQ butt from my FFL Saturday am. I paid a whopping $300 for it ($250+25 shipping+25 transfer) :) The strangest part was that I picked it up via gunbroker. So deals are out there if one looks hard enough. Once I get it cleaned up pics will follow.

MK11
March 22, 2010, 12:40 PM
I'm a big fan of Buffalo Bore loads in my Model 13, both their 158 grain +P .38 screamer and their mild 158 grain "short barrel" load in .357. There's only about 100 fps difference between the two and they're very manageable in a K-frame.

ky40601
March 22, 2010, 03:38 PM
Here's the 13-1 I got earlier this month.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff159/ky40601/Guns/aSWModel13-1MP357Mag1974-76cSN2D612.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff159/ky40601/Guns/aSWModel13-1MP357Mag1974-76cSN2D-2.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff159/ky40601/Guns/aSWModel13-1MP357Mag1974-76cSN2D-1.jpg

Confederate
March 22, 2010, 07:03 PM
I think if you stay with 158gr mag loads you'd be just fine. I'd stay away from lighter grain weight and hopped up loads as the extra pressure created will definately work on the weak area of the cone.
Well, there's no doubt that some will hold up better than others, but the heavier bullets will warp the lighter frames if they're loaded to magnum pressures. You've got a little more protection with stainless steel than blued steel. Stainless resists gas cutting but not warping. And I have seen cracked stainless steel forcing cones.

kansersurvivor
March 22, 2010, 10:48 PM
Mine is actually Nickel...so I'm still in the same boat as the Blued 13's!

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