Types of 9mm ammo?


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FSCJedi
October 13, 2003, 06:21 PM
Ok, just a question that I've been wondering about lately. What kinds/types of 9mm ammo are there? I'm only familiar with 115, 124, and 147 grain bullets, and lead ball, FMJ, JHP ammunition. Also I know about the +P and +P+ ammo. I've also heard there are tracer rounds available in 9mm. Can you all here in the Ammo section enlighten me some? Thanks!

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Zak Smith
October 13, 2003, 06:55 PM
I've loaded up 90gr Speer Gold Dot bullets designed for .380 in 9x19 cases. A mild load launches them at 1400fps. 1550-1600fps is possible with suitable powder.

Not sure if they're good for anything. Small game, maybe.

-z

FireInTheHole
October 14, 2003, 02:07 AM
I've compressed blue dot with 90gr JHP before.... poor accuracy but lots of boom!!

I use some VV 3N37 or alliant power pistol with 115gr for +1300fps velocities. (VV has less flash... even when max loaded)

Another interesting load is 12 gr of longshot under a 135gr .40 cal.... Sounds like a .357 mag.


BOOM.

Zak Smith
October 14, 2003, 02:22 AM
FireInTheHole,

Yeah, I use 3N37 for full-house loads in 9x19-- 124gr at about 1280fps.

The "mild" 90gr GD load was using VV-N320.

-z

Johnny Guest
October 15, 2003, 12:23 PM
In the late 1960s/ early 1970s, Super Vel cartridge company (Lee Jurras, prop., Shelbyville, Indiana,) offered the first "Modern" 9x19 loads. They had a 112 gr. jacketed soft point and a 90-gr JHP, both of which were reputed to be pretty hot. I was impressed with the JHP when I had to destroy a sick house cat and the bullet fragmented on the cat's head. I was unaware of the importance of proper penetration at the time.

I later had a difficulty with a couple of robbers and learned the 90 gr. JHP wouldn't properly penetrate either automotive safety glass or a trunk lid and seat back . . . . Swore off the light bullet loads thereafter.

Illinois State Police adopted the S&W M39 early on, and got Winchester to make up a special 100 gr. JSP load for their exclusive use. I never saw it offered for commercial sale.

In the mid-1980s, a friend special ordered some sub sonic 9 mm FMJ. I don't recall the name on the boxes, but bullet weight was 150 to 160 gr, NOT the later-popular 147 gr. You may still find a few rounds of KTW ammo, with green Teflon coated bullets, and Arcane, with lathe-turned bronze bullets. These were developed for penetration of vehicles, just prior to the furor over "cop killer" bullets, supposedly designed to penetrate soft body armor, and hence outlawed.

Once you start looking at foreign surplus ammo, you're apt to find an even wider assortment. Some stuff reputed to be Czechoslovakian submachine gun ammo, with steel jackets, used to be the thing for extra penetration. There was a lot of WW-II German ammo of around 100 gr. weight, made of sintered iron, also.

I guess my last three paragraphs are outside the scope of your original question, "What kinds/types of 9mm ammo are there?" You probably just want information on currently available commercial types, huh? Almost forgot- - - There's a blossoming field of "low enviornmental impact" bullets, using sintered iron and copper bullets - - One such brand is, I think, Firefrangible. Another is Delta Frangible Ammunition (DFA.)

Best,
Johnny

Paul "Fitz" Jones
October 17, 2003, 02:56 AM
I have some 9MM-k marked brass in my collection which is actually the same as our .380 brass.

john paul

I also have some California Saeco 1977 production 4 cavity bullet molds with 135 grain keith cone nose lead bullets developed as a long range hard hitting bullet for pistols at Bullseye 50 yard range and originally for the Israeli Submachine guns.

John Paul

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