Garand Ammo Powder Choice?


PDA






ArchAngelCD
April 24, 2009, 02:47 AM
As we all know powder is very difficult to find. I have mostly used a 150gr bullet over H4895. (and sometimes IMR4895) Well, I can't get my hands on any 4895 so I'm wondering what should I use as a substitute for 4895 for my 30-06 rounds shot in a Garand? Is Varget fast enough for reloading Garand ammo?

Thanks...

If you enjoyed reading about "Garand Ammo Powder Choice?" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
USSR
April 24, 2009, 07:57 AM
Is Varget fast enough for reloading Garand ammo?


Yep. Other commonly available and suitable extruded powders are IMR4064 and Reloader 15.

Don

ar10
April 24, 2009, 09:14 AM
I'm using Varget for my M1 and my AR10B. It works fine and it's not a super fast burning powder. The other reason is I got 3 4lb cans of it over 2 yrs ago so I have plenty of it. :D

jcwit
April 24, 2009, 11:45 AM
A number of years ago I inquired about what gun powder to use when reloading for a Garand. The Hodgon tech told me NEVER to use a powder slower than Hodgon H380. I realize this is somewhat of a blanket statement, but if rifle powders listed for reloading 30/06 are used and staying away from H380 and slower would give one plenty of choices and solve the problem.

Powders suggested from the fastest to slowest are
Alliant Reloader 7 150/165 gr. bullets only
IMR 3031
Hodgdon Benchmark
IMR/Hodgdon 4895
Hodgdon H-335
Hodgdon BL-C(2)
Accurate 2460
IMR 4064
Accurate 2520
Accurate 4064

mp43sniper
April 24, 2009, 05:39 PM
Where are you in PA? I know where there is a good selection of powder. Haven't been there in a couple weeks but they were stocked up pretty well even after this whole mess started.

Craig

ArchAngelCD
April 24, 2009, 06:19 PM
jcwit,
Just because the powders you listed have the right burn rate doesn't mean they will work well in a Garand. Do you have first hand knowledge of any of those powders being accurate with a 150gr bullet in a Garand?

Thanks for taking the time to post that list...

SlamFire1
April 24, 2009, 09:28 PM
Accurate Arms AA2495 is a copy of IMR 4895. I called Accurate Arms about AA2495, they said it duplicates the IMR pressure curve. Stupidly they call it AA2495 instead of AA4895, which confuses everyone. Charge for velocity, I was unable to see any meaning difference over the chronograph.

I used 47.0 grains with a 168, 47.5 grains with a 150 SMK.

AA2520 is a ball powder. This powder is entirely appropriate for use in the M1 Garand and M1a, Accurate Arms claims port pressues are proper and that they developed it so it would give the same pressures, grain for grain, as IMR 4895. I have used it for twenty years and it works fine. Just dirtier. My chronograph data, grain for grain, (within lot variations) leads me to conclude that it is a ball powder equivalent to IMR 4895.

I have used 47.0 grains with a 168. The lot I purchased from Pat's reloading ("PAT's 2520") was about one grain slower than some of my other lots.

I seldom shoot anything but match bullets.





M1 Garand 5 925 YYY
Rack grade rifle, GI barrel.

150 gr Sierra Match HPBT 47.5 IMR 4895 CCI#34 WWII cases OAL 3.30"
24 Mar 04 T= 70 F

Ave Vel = 2630
Std Dev = 33
ES = 109
Low = 2580
High = 2689
N = 16

150 Sierra Match 48.0 PAT2520 Lot 6095 WCC54 CCI#34
29 April 04 T= 80 F

Ave Vel = 2625
Std Dev = 40
ES = 127 "
Low = 2547
High = 2674
N =8


This is a 19 shot group at 100 yards, Rack grade Garands are not tack drivers.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/SlamFire/Targets/M1Garand19roundsprone5925621.jpg

jimmertoons
April 24, 2009, 10:25 PM
Hornady recommends the following for the M1 Garand with 150 gr bullets:
H335
AA2495
AA2520
N-135
RL-12
Varget
H4895

I also use TAC from Ramshot with very good results.

jcwit
April 25, 2009, 12:08 AM
Archangle here's my load for the Garand. 150 gr FMJ M-2 with 46 gr.s of 4895 bulk military powder.

Hope this helps

Art Eatman
April 25, 2009, 10:21 AM
IMR 4064 is a tad slow for an M1; probably okay with a starter load, though. IMR 3031 is closer to IMR 4895 in burn rate, but I'd probably stay with the starter load.

lgbloader
April 25, 2009, 12:54 PM
I like IMR-4895 but I have rounds assembled with Varget, H4895, BLC(2) that work well.

IMR 4064 is a tad slow for an M1 Although it works, this powder was not my favorite for the M1.

LGB

ArchAngelCD
April 25, 2009, 07:28 PM
Thanks to everyone who took the time to post. You have been a great help and gave me a lot of good options. Again, thanks...

ArchAngelCD
April 27, 2009, 02:55 AM
I know Varget is being hailed as the "Unique" of rifle powders but is it fast enough to use in the Garand? I hope so but it worries me a little.

jcwit
April 27, 2009, 03:32 AM
Per the burn rate charts varget is faster thn Accurate 4064 which is within the guidelines.

Just a tip, google up "gun powder burn rate chart" and you will fine all the burn rates you want to see. I'd post this but I not sure how to do it.

ArchAngelCD
April 28, 2009, 03:00 AM
Just a tip, google up "gun powder burn rate chart" and you will fine all the burn rates you want to see. I'd post this but I not sure how to do it.
I have 4 different burn rate charts already bookmarked. :rolleyes: Most of the powder sites have burn rate charts so there's really no need to google them.

I'm being very careful because I have only 1 Garand and I don't want to damage it in any way. If we weren't in the middle of this stupid "shortage" this would all be a non-issue.

If you enjoyed reading about "Garand Ammo Powder Choice?" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!