[Black92LX]

(not fully gun related but on the lines of self defense)

So 2 weekends ago i went to visit my girlfriend at her college. we were hanging out with a group of people and someone needed something opened. so i pulled out my lockback knife that i carry with me all the time and handed it to her. well one guy in the group flipped out. East Coast Blissninne, no knives, guns, war violence kind of guy. he then asks why i carry a kinife, and my first response is Ohio doesn''t allow concealed firearms carry. boy that about knocked him off his rocker. but i then went onto i started carrying it because i was attacked by a dog, and since carry it for that and attackers of the human kind as well. well this was just out of his reach of understanding. so we just left it at that.

well lastnight i was on the phone with the girlfriend, and she said someone wanted to ask me a question. so a voice comes on the phone and i immediatly recognize the east coasters voice, and asks so what would be a good knife to carry. :what:

My first inclination is it is some sort of mockery. nope turns out he got jumped this past weekend and got the living snot beat out of him. two guys jumped out from the bushes and went to town. thing his he was with 6 other people. and they didn't do a damn thing. I can garuntee somebody throws my buddy to the ground and is kicking him in the face. There is going to be hell to pay.

[jrhead75]

My first inclination is it is some sort of mockery. nope turns out he got jumped this past weekend and got the living snot beat out of him. two guys jumped out from the bushes and went to town. thing his he was with 6 other people. and they didn't do a damn thing. It's called Karma...ask any old hippie. :D ;)

[hammer4nc]

You are looking at a golden opportunity, to convert a former anti! Gift him an inexpensive neck knife, or pocket folder, and invite him to go shooting...

[rayra]

It's an opportunity, but 90% chance this ninnie-dullard will get it and think that mere ownership of 'The All-Powerful Weapon' is somehow a magical shield, and he'll do ZERO to learn about legal and moral and ethical responsibilities of its ownership and use, OR bother to learn any true self-defensive protocols.
I'd refer him to where to get some decent training and counseling on the issues, and leave poor enough alone.

[Matt G]

Just arming one's self does not make one proficient at self-defense, any more than buying a harmonical will make one able to whip it out and play it whenever desired.

This may actually be more the case with edged weapons than with a gun.

Advise him to seek professional training, and carry less lethal in the mean time. I.E., pepper spray.

[Brian Dale]

It's "a golden opportunity." In this case, it's not just to win a debate, but rather to actually influence how somebody else leads his life. One problem this guy has is that he's been brainwashed. Now, some thug has given him a wake-up call and challenged what he thought he knew about life. He might never have really had to pay attention to any of the people in the world with whom reasoned discourse is useless.

If he has swallowed his arrogance enough to ask you for advice, even if at first it's only about hardware, then that's a start. Be a resource for him. Don't push; rather, make things available to him. You might give him the address of Oleg's site at http://www.a-human-right.com

Another essay that he might read profitably is Jeff Snyder's A Nation of Cowards. You won't have to beat him over the head with it; it's provocative enough to most anti-gun academic folks as it is. It's at
http://www.catb.org/~esr/guns/cowards.html within Eric S. Raymond's site (yes, he's that Linux guy).

Whatever you do, be sure that you let him know that knife fighting is vicious, nasty and just plain hard. You certainly know that a carried knife is neither magic wand nor impenetrable shield. Let him know that you support his choice not to be a victim; in doing so, be sure that he understands that there are no magic wands.

His bigger problem seems to be with the people he chooses to be his associates. You write that "he was with 6 other people, and they didn't do a damn thing." I've known people like that. I do not and will not have any friends like that. Two guys jump one of us from the bushes: they'll end up looking up at all of us unless they can put us all down. We're not supermen, but we'd all say "I'll be damned if I'll let them hurt my friends as long as I'm still standing."

There are plenty of people in the world who are like you and like me, who believe that criminal attacks are wrong, and that self-defense is both moral and proper. A lot of those folks have written a great deal of useful material for folks who weren't ever attracted to guns, but who have learned that to be an unprepared victim is not their highest and best choice. Others here might have some terrific links about that.

And why not tell him about The High Road?

[BluesBear]

Matt, I carry a Lee Oskar and I know how to use it. :D

[duckfoot]

Was in the same boat just a few months ago with my wife, after a friend of ours was attacked and beaten badly in her home. She showed interest in shooting so I bought her a .22 wheel gun and taught her the basics on "gun fighting" not just shooting. Now she has her CCW and carries a ruger sp101, and knows how to use it to very good effect, (yes, even under stress). Taught the friend how to use a shotgun and ran her through drills in her home where I played a bad guy and I feel that while she needs more practice but can make that shot when it would count (that and a few well placed metal fire doors, reinforced door frames, dead bolts and brace locks won't fix.) Now she feels safe again alone in her home.

Weapons alone will not win the day all the time. Training, attitude, and preparedness, will give you the upper hand.

[Black92LX]

i told the guy that he really needs to reconsider who he hangs out with since they didn't do anything to help. sorry but where i come from this is unacceptable. i told him to get in the self defense course the school is giving in a few weeks. then i was going to give him a knife and a book to help him learn the basics. since i doubt they have a knife fighting class on campus.

This is a prime example why i support CCW, these guys jumped him for no reason at all. trust me he did nothing to provoke the attack. it's people like these thugs that give us a reason to carry.

i am thakful my girlfriend was home with me for the weekend, or else she would have most likely been there. if anyone would ever lay a hand on her. hell would be a happy place compared to the pain i would inflict.

[Soap]

Just make sure that you reaffirm in his mind that ONLY he can protect himself. The police don't "protect" anyone and obviously he friends didn't help out either. He is responsible for his personal safety just like he is responsible for his own grades, income, etc.

[RustyHammer]

Just where, exactly, were you at the time of the incident? <joke>

Amazing how people can walk around with their head in the sand until something happens close to them!

Lock and load,

Rusty

P.S. That guy needs to get new friends too.

[Black92LX]

i was in cincinnati and they assault occured in columbus. i have only met the guy a couple times, and had i been there. i would have definatly helped him out.

[Balog]

What kind of cowards does this fellow associate with? Unless they were all in wheelchairs this is terrible. Lots of good advice. I'd refer him to www.gunfacts.info to help dispell any blissninny myths about guns he may have.

[pistolwhipped]

No one would dare mock a Yankee knife toter from Ohio !

[WT]

So I gather the guy did not suffer death or serious bodily injury. A knife, aka deadly weapon, was not called for in this case. They did not have weapons did they not?

Sounds like this guy pissed a couple of people off and they delivered some payback.

[Ukraine Train]

So I gather the guy did not suffer death or serious bodily injury. A knife, aka deadly weapon, was not called for in this case. They did not have weapons did they not?

You don't think this guy could have been killed just with fists and feet? He was obviously not going to be able to fight them off, they could have just beat him to death.

[keederdag]

2 on One; yea I'm gonna say he would have walked after carvin them a bit. You don't have to kill them, just put a little z on their foreheads, so that they know you mean buisness.:D

[HankB]

A half-dozen "friends" and they just . . . watched?

Well, what do you expect - a blissninny is likely to hang out with other blissninnies . . . I wonder if HE would have done anything different if one of the other six were the target of the assault?

Anyway, it looks like this guy may end up fitting one of the definitions of conservative, i.e., a liberal who's been mugged.

[Black92LX]

So I gather the guy did not suffer death or serious bodily injury

actually he suffered a broken nose, ribs, lost a couple teeth and quite a bit of blood.

Sounds like this guy pissed a couple of people off and they delivered some payback.

That's this thing this was 100% an unprovoked attack. he honestly did nothing wrong. they were lost and ended up in a neighborhood, that white folks don't come around too much.


A half-dozen "friends" and they just . . . watched?
I don't understand that either. he says it all happened so fast they had no time to react. well those must have been some pretty quick brothas to do all that damage in such a quick time period. from past experience i know that it doesn't even take a split second for me to jump in to aid my buddy that is getting beat on. especially if he is on the ground. because that is the last place you want to be in a fight.

[Marko Kloos]

So I gather the guy did not suffer death or serious bodily injury. A knife, aka deadly weapon, was not called for in this case. They did not have weapons did they not?

Real-life fist fights are nothing like in the movies. You can be seriously injured or killed in a few moments. Five versus one definitely constitutes a lethal threat. If I ever get jumped by five people, armed or not, I will use my gun in self-defense. Nobody says that you have to give a mob of violent attackers a sporting chance.

[Matt G]

Agreed. Every time you see a man pass out from a blow to the face with a closed fist in a western movie, you're observing a concussion being depicted. People die from those.

Add in the danger of closed airways, internal bleeding, and secondary concussions caused by hitting one's head when falling, and getting "beat up" can be deadly, when it's 2 or more on one.

[pistolwhipped]

In the "For what it's worth" department.
A Nephew got jumped by two yutes in Ybor City awhile back. He pulled and used a knife on the two , sending them to the hospital. He was charged with assault with a deadly.

[Mr. Bombastic]

He was charged with assault with a deadly.

Did he get convicted?

[Art Eatman]

HankB, you're not quite correct. :)

A Law'n'Order Freak is a Liberal who's been mugged.

A Libertarian is a Conservative who's been arrested.

:D, Art

[Standing Wolf]

thing his he was with 6 other people. and they didn't do a damn thing.

That's the regular bliss ninny response to crime—well, that, and calling for the disarmament of law-abiding American citizens.

[XLMiguel]

Best advice I heard here was, 'get some training,' and develop a proper mindset.

Afterall, A.), a fool with a tool is still a fool; and B.), having a weapon and the will to use it are two different things, the guy needs to understand that real well.

IMO, given the disparity of force and the severity of the beating , the victim could make a good case for a lethal response, assuming he had the will and the means. Definitely needs to lose the chicken$h*t 'friends.

If there's a 'next time', hope he does better.

[zahc]

I'm with the guy sthat said he should have waited to be sure they really were going to kill him before deploying lethal force...just kidding:rolleyes:

Problem number 1 comes first.

[Ivanimal]

I believe everyone should carry a knife, that way they would stop borrowing mine. I hate lending it out.

[TheeBadOne]

I believe everyone should carry a knife, that way they would stop borrowing mine. I hate lending it out.
Amen