What's the best AK-47 to buy for your money?


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deALPHAmale
April 27, 2009, 05:21 AM
I'm looking for a best bang for buck scenario here, I'm looking economy prices, and with the durability of AK's overall, I basically just care that the gun works and can hit a target at 100 yards.

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sarduy
April 27, 2009, 05:26 AM
Saiga!

http://inlinethumb24.webshots.com/18967/2308686980095461090S500x500Q85.jpg (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2308686980095461090RagQMH)

lvcat2004
April 27, 2009, 05:30 AM
I would agree with converting your Saiga. Good quality, accurated, CAN be very nice looking with proper painting, etc., and easilty done with drill/dremel.

sarduy
April 27, 2009, 05:41 AM
I would agree with converting your Saiga. Good quality, accurated, CAN be very nice looking with proper painting, etc., and easilty done with drill/dremel.

Thanks

Yeah i know a conversion is easy, but since i have an AK47 i wanted to keep this as is, i'll drop the skeleton stock and make an AK-Based Designated Marksman Rifle, that's why i favor with the .223 with 20'' barrel


Saiga Designated Marksman Rifle
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i206/Kymasabe/Saiga.jpg

kcmarine
April 27, 2009, 06:56 AM
Just make sure you've got all of your parts taken care of. Heck, replacing the trigger group in your DMR would make it more accurate, so go for it :D

nalioth
April 27, 2009, 12:01 PM
Yeah i know a conversion is easy, but since i have an AK47 i wanted to keep this as is

Must be nice.

seanie!
April 27, 2009, 02:09 PM
Must be nice.
Dude, nalioth, we get it. "There's only blah blah blah AK-47s left in the entirety of the United States and no one outside of a select group of blah blah blah has seen them." Calm down man. It's cool that you know all about this gun and you're "the AK-47 elitest guy", but at this point you're not even bringing any relevant conversation to the thread. We're talking about AKSs or whatever you want to call them, but no matter how many people you correct, there's still going to be hundreds more that still call them AK-47s. It's like the AR-15 guys who refer to their rifles as M4s.

Back on topic, I say go with the Saiga. They're cheap(at least the were before the boom), reliable, and look pretty awesome in the sporterized setup. I've got a non-converted .223 16.3"bbl that I love.

On another note, sarduy, is that bipod the Leapers one with the swivel stud?

c5_nc
April 27, 2009, 02:23 PM
When you can find a Yugo Underfolder for $649 every once in a while when they pop in I would go that route. Of what's in stock right now, The AMD-65s that AIM has for $549.

BhmBill
April 27, 2009, 02:31 PM
I can't believe the AK knockoffs are going for $600+ minimum.

My Mak90 wasn't worth $400 when I had it a year ago, I can't understand why they'd be worth $800 now. To each his own I guess.

Everyone says go for the Saiga if you want a cheaper AK style gun.

mordechaianiliewicz
April 27, 2009, 02:41 PM
Another Saiga vote.

Problem with AKs is that because they are largely an import+domestic parts product by legislation, it becomes tough to get a good idea of what you are purchasing after a while.

AKs will only go up in price. Right now the asking price of an SKS is around $450 or so in alot of places. AKs having $600-$800 tags.... sounds about right.

I don't know what a Saiga will run you right now, but get ready for alot more than the ~$300 tag they were warranting.

malix
April 27, 2009, 03:28 PM
$399 at Mississippi Auto Arms

http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_53&products_id=218

BushyGuy
April 27, 2009, 03:30 PM
Romanian ak-47 with 75 round drum is a pretty good deal.

WardenWolf
April 27, 2009, 03:38 PM
Converted Saiga is going to be the best AK you can have.

dscottw88
April 27, 2009, 04:07 PM
A converted Saiga
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh234/m4dscottw88/SaigaPorn.jpg

dmckean44
April 27, 2009, 04:52 PM
I like the Saigas too mostly because they're new rifles and have most of the improvements of the AK-10X series. The Yugos are nice too when you can find them.

possum
April 27, 2009, 04:53 PM
either the wasr, but my personal favorite even though a little more expensive would be the yugo's.

Gelgoog
April 27, 2009, 05:48 PM
wasr? ***?

No sorry, but a WASR is about the worst buy for your money. Its the worst put together AK currently on the market, and its price is the most overinflated. People asking 600+ for an AK that was only a good deal when it was $150. If you buy a wasr in todays outrageous prices, you are a moron.

essayons21
April 27, 2009, 05:49 PM
The best AK is a romanian wasr bought 2 years ago for $250

rangerruck
April 28, 2009, 01:20 AM
Saiga...

Seattle206
April 28, 2009, 01:32 AM
I would vote saiga also, leave it be, dont need to take it to the chop shop.

sarduy
April 28, 2009, 01:41 AM
Originally Posted by sarduy
Yeah i know a conversion is easy, but since i have an AK47 i wanted to keep this as is

Originally Posted by nalioth
Must be nice.


let me put it this way so you can understand what i meant:


Yeah i know a conversion is easy BUT SINCE I HAVE AN AK47 (ak47 pic bellow)

http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/43910/2216589350095461090S425x425Q85.jpg (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2216589350095461090GDGmKi)

I WANTED TO KEEP THIS (saiga .223) AS IS.
http://inlinethumb30.webshots.com/15389/2308686980095461090S425x425Q85.jpg (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2308686980095461090RagQMH)

hope that helps

deALPHAmale
April 28, 2009, 01:44 AM
What he meant was that it isn't an actual "original" AK-47, it's some kind of clone/alternate type from the Great Mother Kalashnikov. Being very picky over terms, basically.

Though I have to ask, what brand/manufacturer is the AK on top with the wood grain? I rather like the look of it.

nalioth
April 28, 2009, 01:45 AM
Names are important.

If you don't think so, try calling your significant other someone else's name when you're having an intimate conversation.

deALPHAmale
April 28, 2009, 02:36 AM
Names may be important, but I'm still not seeing it as a cardinal sin to refer to an "AK-47 style rifle" as simply an "AK-47," call it a nickname if you must, but hounding people over it isn't cool.

sarduy
April 28, 2009, 03:48 AM
Though I have to ask, what brand/manufacturer is the AK on top with the wood grain? I rather like the look of it.

the weapon is a romanian ak47 build at RATMIL factory, i have no wooble and the trigger is great and i refinish the woods ;)

Upstate Gun Man
April 28, 2009, 08:16 AM
At the gun show this week end MAKO 90 s were going for 499 to 799. amaizing, since i paid $85 for mine many years ago. However they shoot well. Accurate at 125 yds. need minimal care and ammo is stil reasonable by other standards.

Upstate Gun Man
April 28, 2009, 08:17 AM
I also forgot to mention, the drum mag was selling for $75 only saw 2 at show.

Moose458
April 28, 2009, 10:42 AM
The way I see it, if you are sitting at a table of 12 or 15 people, and you say "Hey I just Bought an AKM yesterday", at least half will say "HUH?". But if you say "Hey I just bought an AK-47 yesterday", everybody there will know what you are talking about. So who really cares what you call them as long as everybody knows what the hell you are talking about.:banghead:

Shear_stress
April 28, 2009, 11:06 AM
Names are important.

Names are important, but language has connotation and denotation. "AK-47" denotes something very specific and in settings where precise language was required you'd use that term sparingly.

....but this is an internet forum. Know your audience. Connotation is good enough. If you took it upon yourself to be snarky about every misuse of language on an internet forum you'd drive yourself bat***t.

Next time, how about just a gentle reminder to the fellow to use a more accurate term?

Frankl03
April 28, 2009, 11:30 AM
Go Bulgarian!

Centerfire Systems has them on sale now for $699.00.

Chrome lined barrel, Tapco trigger, 1.5 mil receiver, good looks, high quality, how can you go wrong?

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/bulgarianakssr-85cpartakagun-ssr.aspx

FHBrumb
April 28, 2009, 09:55 PM
I've been looking at some of these "AK47ish" rifles for a little bit, and I'm more confused then when I was contemplating an "AR15ish" rifle. Did I say it OK?:uhoh:

Bulgarian is better than Yugoslavian, which is better than Romanian?

Clarify?

I'm thinking that a $600 to $800 rifle might be part of the plan here.

On GB, I see lots in the $500 to $800 range, so I just need a suggestion of sorts. Maybe give me a couple of "never buys", "might buys", and "good buys" to look for.

Thanks.

jpwilly
April 28, 2009, 11:58 PM
Aren't we really talking about AKM's (not AK-47's) lacking the critical 3rd axis! Not that I give a hoot what you want to call em.

Oh btw...here's my AKM it's a Lancaster Arms minus the happy switch:

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p38/jpwilly/AKBlastbw.jpg

Hammerhead6814
April 29, 2009, 12:38 AM
Actually that "Shooters Package" 1975 AK from Classic Arms is looking like a hell of a deal. New barrel and everything.

tju1973
April 29, 2009, 12:58 AM
Who cares what you call them, and who made them. I bought this WASR 10 last summer NIB and wasn't dissapointed. The finish wasn't great, and the wood was plain, but it worked. I can take head shots (or pie plates ) at 100-150 yards, and it has never jamed, broken, or failed in any way...

Find what you like, pay the price you feel good with, and enjoy it.

Life is too short to give a crud!!:)

I put on the butt stock pad, internal buffer, and an AK74 style brake...

Shoots great!!

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e70/tju1973/DSC00002.jpg

Pun1sher
April 29, 2009, 02:01 AM
the weapon is a romanian ak47 build at RATMIL factory, i have no wooble and the trigger is great and i refinish the woods

I just played with one today, and it was nice, but i was put off by how bad the wood looked. Now I know how to fix that problem :)

tju1973
April 29, 2009, 02:17 AM
:):)I cleaned my WASR wood with 000 steel wool and then spent 2 weeks off an on rubbing boiled linseed oil into it with an old t-shirt. I let it hang daily in a closet, then gave it 2 weeks to absorb and dry. I then hand rubbed in paste wax with another tshirt, finally caking it on and letting it dry.

The next day I beagn the buffing of it with yet another old white t...

My stock feels good and water won't touch it...

I am a firm beliver in the power of linseed...

:)

Moose458
April 29, 2009, 04:14 PM
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg92/Moose458/912484-R1-07-18.jpg

Romy G. Its all in who builds it.

runrabbitrun
April 29, 2009, 04:40 PM
Nice.:)

Galadren
April 29, 2009, 05:55 PM
Saiga imo. I have a Saiga 308, love it, and am about to convert it.

Thinking of buying a Saiga in x39 to do another conversion.

Jimdo
April 29, 2009, 06:41 PM
Wow, alot more Saiga guys here than I would have expected....
IMHO I would say one of three; Polytech (All built to Chinese mil spec, with the exception of the full auto feature), Bulgarian (excellent quality) or the new CZ's (though I haven't personally had much experience with these they seem to be very nice guns for the $$$).
Only 'downfall' to these is that they are a bit more expensive than your Saigas or your Romanian AKs.

High Planes Drifter
April 29, 2009, 06:58 PM
I chose the Bulgarian SR85.

nalioth
April 29, 2009, 07:31 PM
Bulgarian (excellent quality) or the new CZ'sWell, I can see the Arsenal kool-aid has worked here.

Bulgarian AKs are not any "better" than any other AK. Arsenal has a fine marketing department that has convinced many people otherwise.

There are 0 Czech made AKs here.

UKJ
April 29, 2009, 07:39 PM
I posed this very question to 'someone in the know' and they replied flatly that if it's not an original Russian made AK, then it's not worth spit - unless it was a Valmet, Galil or a South African R4, which are all basically AKs.

I wish I could remember exactly what he said about the Ruskie AKs, but it was something to do with the metals used in the receivers or the bolts. That's what happens when you drink and talk guns.

So based on this rather badly remembered piece of information - an Izhmash or a Vepr.

Akdude
April 29, 2009, 10:17 PM
If money ain't an issue look for a pre-ban Polytech "Legend"
They are sweeeeet:)
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt77/donyboyus/HPIM0593.jpg

RP88
April 30, 2009, 12:04 AM
I have a converted Saiga in 7.62x39 and 16" barrel. Shoots great (for an AK)

SHvar
April 30, 2009, 12:29 AM
If you lived near Pakistan, for around $45 you could have one hand made and a bandolier of ammo included.
Id say the Russian Saiga is a better choice than the other countries that produce them.

Galadren
April 30, 2009, 12:37 AM
That's something I forgot to mention that Saiga really has going for it: furniture aside, it's a Russian made AK. Only other difference is the trigger is moved back to accomodate the sport stock, and that's fixed with a little work. ;)

Isher
April 30, 2009, 12:49 AM
And............

No one, absolutely no one,

Has mentioned the Czech CZ VZ 58, which,

In my humble opinion,

Kicks AK ass for multiple reasons.

isher

sarduy
April 30, 2009, 01:15 AM
And............

No one, absolutely no one,

Has mentioned the Czech CZ VZ 58, which,

In my humble opinion,

Kicks AK ass for multiple reasons.

isher

hehehe

rogertc1
April 30, 2009, 10:27 AM
A Saiga if you want a cheaper AK style gun becase you are financially challenged.
A Vz 58 is not an AK.

fugi
May 7, 2009, 01:51 AM
A Saiga if you want a cheaper AK style gun becase you are financially challenged.
A Vz 58 is not an AK.

yea, it's Way better and about the same price now. $200 kit, $350 receiver from cogunsales.com and ohiorapidfire.com, respectively.

http://50ae.net/VZ-vs-AK/

nalioth
May 7, 2009, 02:11 AM
ohiorapidfire.com I suggest to anyone to do your research before buying anything ORF manufactures.

fugi
May 7, 2009, 03:27 AM
I suggest to anyone to do your research before buying anything ORF manufactures.

it just requires a bit of fitting. my main complaint is that the receiver cover takedown pin hole is drilled way too high. feed ramp on mine was milled too low, but I hear they've since corrected that issue.

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