Quick steel question


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Sniper X
April 27, 2009, 03:34 PM
So if you were to explain the costs and benefits of both 440 stainless, and carbon steel in a hunting / camping knife how would you go about it?

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rcmodel
April 27, 2009, 03:58 PM
Assuming equal blade & edge designs.

440C = harder to sharpen - rustproof - won't hold an edge as well.

Carbon = tarnishes / rusts if not maintained.

rc

RyanM
April 27, 2009, 05:28 PM
Probably talking 440A, which is usually soft enough to be just as easy to sharpen as a carbon steel knife, but the edge holding is definitely worse.

Carbon steel is also potentially cheaper, especially if you get something like a Douk-douk or Opinel. 99% of the stainless blades in the same price range are going to be 420J2 junk.

JTW Jr.
April 27, 2009, 11:50 PM
1/8" thick x 1 1/2" wide by 3 foot long:
440C = $22
1095 = $9.00

(*compared to 154CM at $40 , S30v at $63 )

440C actually will hold an edge really well if HT'd properly.Maybe not the idea camping knife for chopping , but done right , it will give you plenty of service , as will 1095 , 1080 or 52100.

bikerdoc
April 28, 2009, 05:53 AM
Steel is only as good as the heat treatment. then you add the geometry of the blade, and your sharpening skills then you can make a judgement.

Stay away from 440A, 440B, and most offshore stuff.

IMO, YMMV

Sniper X
April 28, 2009, 03:23 PM
What would be a good carbon hunter in a 5 1/2 in blade for under about $125.00 or so? Say clip or drop point?

James T Thomas
April 28, 2009, 04:58 PM
JTW Jr:

I have a Puma Hunter II; made in Solingen, Germany.

From 440C -I believe. It has a heat treat, and the Brinnel indentation to prove it.

It is a good blade.

TMM
April 28, 2009, 07:45 PM
I have three Benchmade knives, one in 440, one in 154CM, and one in S30V (Griptilian, Ares, and Switchback, respectively). I think edge geometry played a bigger factor than steel, except perhaps the one in S30V... never used that one much as it was a little too delicate for my tastes, but i'll tell you what, that steel is a PAIN to sharpen. takes forever...(so, i suppose it also takes a while to dull...)
the knife in 154CM cuts better than the 440, but i have it sharpened to a 38 degree edge as opposed to a 44 degree on the 440 steel...

FWIW... haven't used either the Griptilian or Switchback in years, though. i LOVE the Ares. too bad it's discontinued.

For a simple camp chore knife, i'd go with the carbon steel knife. if you're gonna be, say, on a saltwater fishing boat, go with the 440.

TMM

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