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montess85
April 28, 2009, 01:12 AM
I keep seeing videos of magazine fed 870s and mossberg 500s....whats the deal with these...who makes them.....

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montess85
April 28, 2009, 01:21 AM
bump

MrCleanOK
April 28, 2009, 01:35 AM
All pump shotguns are magazine fed, montess. It's a called a tube magazine. Are you talking about people converting them to take a detachable box mag? I haven't heard of this.

Justin
April 28, 2009, 02:05 AM
Knoxx has or had a product called the Sidewinder (http://images.google.com/images?as_q=knoxx+sidewinder&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=PBL&um=1&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&imgtype=&imgsz=&imgw=&imgh=&as_filetype=&imgc=&as_sitesearch=&safe=images&as_st=y) that was an external, ten-round drum magazine that could be attached to pump-action shotguns.

I have no idea how well they work.

dak0ta
April 28, 2009, 02:31 AM
I think you're talking about Dominion Arms Grizzly 870's. They're made in china and are an 870 clone with 5 rounds detachable mags. They are in Canada ONLY.

montess85
April 28, 2009, 09:17 PM
Yea I ment detachable box magazine.....sorry

RyanM
April 28, 2009, 10:51 PM
Knoxx no longer makes them, and they sell for ridiculously inflated prices now.

lipadj46
April 28, 2009, 11:18 PM
Just buy a Saiga though they too sell for ridiculously inflated prices now.

ijosef
April 28, 2009, 11:45 PM
Just buy a Saiga though they too sell for ridiculously inflated prices now.
Just out of curiosity, what did a Saiga sporterized 12 gauge sell for before the current panic? I've seen them at gunshows for $500-600, and although they seem decent, they don't have fit & finish beyond that of a sub $300 shotgun.

lipadj46
April 29, 2009, 01:01 AM
and although they seem decent, they don't have fit & finish beyond that of a sub $300 shotgun

$350ish

Justin
April 29, 2009, 01:01 AM
I remember seeing Saigas for under $400 before they became popular.

cchris
April 29, 2009, 10:21 AM
Cheapest that I can find...

http://www.keepshooting.com/firearms/shotguns/shotgunlist.htm

Granted, that price will probably double by the time they get more in stock. In terms of the 20 gauge, they have one listed here for $400-ish...

http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=25_53

as well as the Saiga 12 for $589, and it's actually in stock. The Valtro PM5 is another option for a 7+1 box magazine shotgun, but it's even pricier, at over $1000.

Those are the two cheapest price I've seen in a while, some places even get to $700 for these things, but the only place I've seen that's been about the same for the past bit is gunsatcost, and they have two...mfg # IZ108 and IZ109:

http://www.gunsatcost.com/item/55103__RAA_Rifles_Shotguns_RAA_SAIGA_12GA_BL_19_W_S.aspx?SR=1

http://www.gunsatcost.com/item/62547__RAA_Rifles_Shotguns_RAA_SAIGA_12GA_19_BLK_SYN.aspx?SR=1

The difference seems to be the sights - the 108 has rib sights, the 109 has pistol sights. Same price though.

Jack2427
May 4, 2009, 03:31 AM
Just a thought, the US military played around with using box mags for its military shotguns back in the early 70s.
They discovered that modern shotshells, except for brass cased, were best kept in a tubular mag as they resisited deformation best end to end. When left loaded in a box mag they tended to deform, just enough to cause a hang up when chambering a round.
It should be noted that none of the countries that produce the Saiga SG issue them to their police/military forces. It is produced seemingly solely for sale right here.

Pun1sher
May 4, 2009, 03:48 AM
[QUOTE]Cheapest that I can find...

http://www.keepshooting.com/firearms...hotgunlist.htm

Granted, that price will probably double by the time they get more in stock. In terms of the 20 gauge, they have one listed here for $400-ish...

http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/i...ex&cPath=25_53

as well as the Saiga 12 for $589, and it's actually in stock. The Valtro PM5 is another option for a 7+1 box magazine shotgun, but it's even pricier, at over $1000.

Those are the two cheapest price I've seen in a while, some places even get to $700 for these things, but the only place I've seen that's been about the same for the past bit is gunsatcost, and they have two...mfg # IZ108 and IZ109:

http://www.gunsatcost.com/item/55103..._W_S.aspx?SR=1

http://www.gunsatcost.com/item/62547..._SYN.aspx?SR=1

The difference seems to be the sights - the 108 has rib sights, the 109 has pistol sights. Same price though.[QUOTE]

Thanks for this cchris, even though I seem to have read this too late. For those dirt cheap prices they have already sold out, otherwise i would have bought one now, as i'm typing this. :(

iafirebuff
May 4, 2009, 03:50 AM
I have an old Mossberg bolt action magazine fed 16ga shotgun. I can't remember but it holds 3 rounds I think.

JShirley
May 4, 2009, 04:08 AM
2 +1

Quiet
May 4, 2009, 04:24 AM
Valtro PM-5.
12 gauge 7 round detachable magazine

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk139/code33/115.jpg
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk139/code33/117.jpg

armoredman
May 4, 2009, 05:26 AM
How well does that Valtro work? Super oddball question, was that the one used in the movie Alien Nation, anyone know? Just mildly curious.

subierex
May 4, 2009, 06:30 PM
My old Mossberg 20ga boltgun holds two in the box. Only one ever makes it out and into the chamber. Weak mag spring, never gets shot.

MCgunner
May 4, 2009, 08:59 PM
Knoxx has or had a product called the Sidewinder that was an external, ten-round drum magazine that could be attached to pump-action shotguns.

I have no idea how well they work.

Wow, I bet THAT'S handy and quick to the shoulder...:rolleyes:

</sarcasm>

FFMedic
May 4, 2009, 10:25 PM
I have a Mossberg 500 with the Knoxx Sidewinder kit. It's a fun and neat gun, I collect 500s so it's an interesting piece. I have one 10 round drum (about as big around as a coffee can) and six 6-round box mags (about as big as a 20 round M14 mag).

The system has a few critical flaws.

1. The lack of a shell flush with the magazine tube inside the action leads to jams if you rack the action with the muzzle pointed down.

2. The recoil can cause some shells crimp to open in the magazine and spill shot into the magazine and leave you with worthless rounds.

3. The magazine well pushes the forend too far away to be really comfortable to use without really long arms or a really short stock.

4. Rimmed rounds do not work well in box magazines, you MUST load them with each rim behind the last.

5. The magazines are somewhat akward to load and if done incorrectly will release the catch and spit all your shells out.

Having said that I like mine because I like off the wall stuff. Not every gun has to be %100 functional and "needed" or "useful". It is the LAST shotgun I would grab if the SHTF though...

FFMedic

max popenker
May 8, 2009, 10:31 AM
There are at least two Turkish-made, box-fed shotguns.

First, the Safir T14 (http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh42-e.htm) in .410, is already sold in USA by American Tactical Imports

Second, the Akdal MKA 1919 (http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh51-e.htm) in 12 Ga is too new (production started this April) but i believe it will make to USA sooner or later.

Russia also produced box-magazine fed MP-133K (http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh48-e.htm) pump-action shotguns in 12Ga, but these are scarce.

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