[Ratdog68]

New toys are a comin' !! :D :what: :D

Traditions Hawken Woodsman Percussion in .50 cal

Traditions .50 cal Percussion William Parker pistol

Traditions .44 cal 1858 Bison revolver

Between smoke poles and traditional archery... I've been a busy feller !

Life's rough sometimes. Heck... I'm even learning to make my own longbows. Got one 2/3 done and more staves waiting in the wings. Me thinks one of 'em will be a Hickory longbow, backed with Jen-ewe-wine Spitting Cobra... another with Rattle Snake. The other two will be Bamboo backed Hickory and Bamboo backed Argentine Osage. What to do with the other huge stave of Osage Orange?

Osama-Obama can't git 'em all ! :cuss: :banghead: :neener:

[Pun1sher]

... um... how old are you?

[Ginormous]

If I had all that going on at once, I'd be pretty darned giddy too! :)

Pics when you recover Ratdog68.

[Ratdog68]

How old am I? Old enough to know that I'm young enough to do it again ! And, again !

[Ratdog68]

Ginormous... I hope I don't recover... OR "grow-up".

[Smokin_Gun]

Congrads on the three new ones Ratdog... :O)

[messerist]

PICTURES....please.:)

[Voodoochile]

Ratdog68;
I think we have talked to each other on Archery Talk..

Raider2000, some one here stole my name so I had to go with this one.

Anyway, congrats to your new toys coming your way & yes I'd love to see some pictures of them as well as that Griz you have.

[madcratebuilder]

I can see the black powder smoke cloud raising over the sound right now! Congrats on the new toys. Old bones have forced me to give up the bows, but as long as my hands can work a loading lever I'll be making smoke.

[MCgunner]

Where's da friggin' pictures?!

[Ginormous]

Ratdog68 kindly shared some images of his bow in progress with me. Hopefully, he'll do the same for the rest of the forum's users.

If you are the least bit interested in archery, or custom bows, or even what the heck Argentine Osage looks like, you are in for a REAL treat. Seriously.

WOW is all I can say!

[Ratdog68]

Thanks Smokin' Gun... did some cleaning on my .54 last night... wow... this piece is a little nicer than I first thought it was.


Messerist... pix will have to wait until they arrive... then all the "kids" will have to line up for pic or two. Hmmm... I prob'ly should have pix of ALL of 'em, as well as the serial numbers cataloged.


Voodoochile ! Er... Raider2000... er... we're sooo confused !!

Yeah... same ol' same ol' here !

I'll have to do some pix... that Grizz is sweet. Waitin' on my B50 supplies so I can twist up a new Flemish for it before I take pix.


Madcratebuilder... yeah... I don't fit in too well with your "typical Seattlite". I still have my "McCain/Palin" sign in my yard. LOL Sorry to hear you're not able to enjoy the bows anymore... stay with what you can though !!

Otay... pix is the cry (MCGunner)... I'll getcha some.

[Ratdog68]

Since there appears to be a little bit of interest... I'll share the link for the bow build I'm sharing with my fellow archery folks on another forum. I'm havin' a ball learning to make these. It's been nearly addicting (traditional archery).

Anywho... grab a cup of joe and follow along as I learn the basics here... this little project has been a nice diversion from the remodel from hell that's consumed my attention for way too long.

The American Flat Bow, made of Argentine Osage, backed with Bamboo, and Bocote for the riser. The string will be hand twisted of B50 Dacron, and I'll fletch up some cedar shafts with "left wing" feathers of 5" of length... the fletching will have a left helical twist, and will probably have some cresting wraps on them.

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=894382

[NobleSniper]

That longbow looks fantastic. I shoot a Mohawk custom longbow. Getting ready I think to eventually start building my first underhammer muzzlelaoder and then might give the longbow build a try. Yours came out fantastic :D

[Ratdog68]

Not sure how good these shots will be, but these are from the vendor's website. First, the Hawken...

http://image.sportsmansguide.com/dimage/143855_ts.JPG?cell=320,320&cvt=jpeg

Next... the William Parker Pistol...

http://image.sportsmansguide.com/dimage/106354_ts.JPG?cell=320,320&cvt=jpeg

And... the 1858 Bison...

http://image.sportsmansguide.com/dimage/106375_ts.JPG?cell=320,320&cvt=jpeg

[Ratdog68]

Thanks NobleSniper... I almost went with the rifle kit... but, it didn't have the double set triggers and I wanted to have 'em on my new rifle. I still wanna do one though.

My bow isn't done, all that just brings me to the general shape of the bow. I still have to shape the grip/tips and the tillering of the bow before it can get finished. I'll be paying close attention to the tiller phase. The bow could become junk in a few strokes of the hand.

[scrat]

toooo coool

[NobleSniper]

NAW!!!!!!!!! You have done to well so far for that to happen. Keep it up and before long you will be pulling a string on that thing ;)

[MCgunner]

Wow, a pistol with a double set trigger. I like it. :D That thing could be a shooter.

My old recurve busted yesterday, but I don't think I'll attempt to make one. Would probably be sorta like Mel Gibson's rocking chair in the movie "Patriot". LOL

[Voodoochile]

Sweet bud I'm glad to meet others that have a similar intrest as I.

[BCRider]

The BP stuff looks great. And I love the talk about the long bows. It's something I'd been holding in reserve until I got retired.... which, as it turns out, was just last Friday.

And as for all the jumping up and down like a kid in the first coupl'a posts? All I can say is WAY TO GO AND I'D BE DOING THE SAME! ! ! ! ! :D

Post up range reports on how the smokers shoot. I especially like the looks of that William Parker. I may just need to look into that as my first muzzle loading pistol.

[Ratdog68]

My Cherokee .45 Cal carbine doesn't have 'em... but my Patriot pistol in .45 cal does. The .54 Cal carbine I picked up yesterday has 'em and they're set really LIGHT.

[Ratdog68]

whether I've been payin' attention adequately for the bow to turn out as sweet (when it's done) as it is now.

I've also snagged up some "U finish it" longbow kits. They haven't arrived yet, but I guess we'll see how those are... and, how I like those as compared to doing them from scratch like this one. I can give a link to a couple of places if someone's wanting to give one of those a try at getting their hooves wet with making one of your own. I've found 'em ranging from between $50 - $150 ea. The high end "kit" is a bamboo backed hickory with a reflex/deflex design, tillered and ready to finish. I mostly got that one to eyeball closely... may try and do up some of those from scratch after seeing a good pattern up close and personal like.

Oh yeah... I'll have to drag the camera along the next time I toddle on up to the range to make some noise and fill the air with smoke. I love doin' that while a gaggle of 'em around are plinkin' away with the .22's (not that there's anything WRONG with that). :neener:

[Voodoochile]

Wait till ya have a few of them young uns that shoot those 9mm super duper plastic guns get a whiff of what REAL gun powder smell like & that your old smoke wagon can shoot just as accurately as their toys.

[Ratdog68]

Been there/done that too. Always puts a smile on my mug.

[Ratdog68]

The three toys I bought arrive today ! As well as a new bow I ordered ! Who's hidin' that brown truck ? :uhoh:

[Ginormous]

Hiding nothing! Held up is more like it. :neener:

[Ratdog68]

I see how we're gonna play. Where's my camo paint... time to go gun rustler huntin' !! I got my stealthy longbow far enough along to be putin' some "arras" through it now. You can run... :neener:

[BCRider]

Warm up the cameral there Ratdog. We wan'ta see pit'chers! ! !

[Ratdog68]

In the mean time... here's the latest on my longbow I'm making... it shoots rather nicely, if I do say so myself. :evil:

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=894382&page=2

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/Ratdog68/IMG_1202.jpg

[Ratdog68]

Good news and bad news though. The bad news is... the 1858 Bison is backordered, and the Martin Jaguar take-down bow needed to go back. It managed to leave the factory before it was completed... but, they were great about it and promise to take care of it ASAP for me.

The good news is the Hawken rifle and the William Parker pistol arrived and are just fine !! I hadn't realized it, but the pistol is a polished stainless, instead of blued. Kinda surprised me, but, I like it !

Port side. :D
http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/Ratdog68/BlackPowder/Traditions%2050/Traditions002.jpg

Starboard side. :D
http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/Ratdog68/BlackPowder/Traditions%2050/Traditions003.jpg

Close up of the William Parker engraving.
http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/Ratdog68/BlackPowder/Traditions%2050/Traditions004.jpg
http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/Ratdog68/BlackPowder/Traditions%2050/Traditions005.jpg

Close up of the Hawken's identifying marks.
http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/Ratdog68/BlackPowder/Traditions%2050/Traditions008.jpg

Not sure when range day will be... although... I've bought 7 BP's now... and haven't popped a cap on any of 'em with a load in 'em. I've only popped two caps on the first two prior to loading them up when I went hunting last fall... my T/C Cherokee .45 carbine and my T/C Patriot .45 pistol. Since then, I've added a T/C Renegade .54 and a T/C Hawken .50 that haven't been shot either. I've been really busy with my archery thing as of late. :neener:

[Ginormous]

Whoa! Great pics! Most certainly worth waiting for.

[RedLion]

.50 cal that can't be serialized????? Oh Noooooo!


but seriously, a range report would probably cause more people to get busted at work or miss dinner than any other thread.

[Acorn Mush]

I hadn't realized it, but the pistol is a polished stainless, instead of blued.

Nice looking pieces you have there Ratdog68. Are you sure the pistol barrel is really stainless and not just finished "in the white"?

You've just gotta get out and exercise your stable of frontstuffers.:D

[arcticap]

Nice guns!
The Traditions product page states that the Parker pistol is "polished steel".
A coat of car wax and prompt cleaning after shooting should help to keep the finish looking like new. :)

http://www.traditionsfirearms.com/eshop/10Expand.asp?ProductCode=P11400

[NobleSniper]

Hello Ratdog, fine looking bow and two great looking frontloaders ;) Congrats!!

[fordlover35]

I would have to agree. Those are nice. DROOL DROOL!

[BCRider]

WOW! Those sure do look sweet. And set triggers on both! We expect great things from you now that equipment isn't an excuse... :D

A magnet held to the barrel should tell you pretty quick if it's stainless or just finished in white.

You likely already know this but SOME stainless alloys are still magnetic but they are not as magnetic as gen-yew-ine steel. So compare the snap of the magnet to the blued barrel on the Hawken. A noticably lesser attraction likely means that the Parker is stainless rather than white finished steel.

If it is regular steel I'm not sure what I'd do.

Send it out for a nice browning treatment? Nothing says "CLASSY" like a nice browned barrel.

And yes, you have a moral obligation to allow us to live vicariously through you with a range report at your earliest opportunity. Chop-chop there dude.... :D

[Ratdog68]

It IS polished steel ! The magnet sticks to it very well. Yup... gonna have to keep after with with the polish and wax. Uhhh... sorry... I'm not a fan of "browned". I'd have it blued before I'd go brown. I'm gonna stick with the treatment it came with though.

I JUST noticed something about this Wm. Parker pistol !!!! It AIN'T got no ram rod !! Wassup wit' 'dat ?!?! LOL

Thanks all... appreciate the comments on the frontloaders and my bow. Yup... I do need to get to the range and dirty these ol' girls up a bit !

[brotherlloyd]

Rat Dog nice bow ! after talking to kegin in 07 he encouraged me to build my own hickory self bow. Its as nice as they come and will that baby hunt

[Ratdog68]

"Rat Dog nice bow ! after talking to kegin in 07 he encouraged me to build my own hickory self bow. Its as nice as they come and will that baby hunt"

Post up a pic of your bow, I'd enjoy seeing it.

Kegan had a bitter/sweet day today. Some of the guys (I was too late joining the forum to participate) did a bow swap. They made a bow and sent it off to another member. Sort of like the ladies' "Secret Pals" thing. Great idea. Anywho... Kegan got his bow in the mail today, really nice too. :cool: And... he asked a little too much from a "Red Oak Board" bow he's making... it did ugly things when he went to brace it up. It cracked at the riser. I think he was shooting for at least 70 lbs. of bow with that one. :banghead:

[BCRider]

Oil it or wax it but you can't do both. Oil eats wax and melts it away.

I'd probably just oil it with something you know is going to protect the steel but still be nice to the wood. Not sure what to get that is kind to both without turning rancid after a while. And while I'm hardly the expert on this sort of stuff I'd say the last thing to touch the steel before it goes to bed between shooting sessions should be the lightly oily rag with no skin contact following the wipe down. Fourtunetly the wood is a lot more tolerant of touching.

This is a very good point though. Is there an oil that is wood friendly but will also keep the steel from oxidizing? I do a lot of metal working as well as wood working and I can't think of anything that will work on one without looking like blazes on the other.

[arcticap]

Eezox has the reputation of being a very special product. Wipe it on, then let it dry and it prevents rust like nothing else. It creates a barrier that moisture doesn't penetrate. And it's compatible with black powder and wood.

EEZOX® weighs 10.42 pounds per gallon - squirt or spray EEZOX® into a container of water and it will sink to the bottom. This density prevents water from penetrating the thin layer of EEZOX® and from reacting with the metal to form rust. Because of the hydrocarbon oil content of other products, they will "float" on water. Therefore, water penetrates this oil layer and rests on the metal surface. The water then reacts with oxygen and the metal surface to form rust.

Our research clearly shows over 75% of gun owners are not satisfied with gun care products presently being used. Compare this to the 98.7% of EEZOX® users who are greatly satisfied.

http://www.eezox.com/gun-care.html

http://www.eezox.info/truth.html

[Ratdog68]

I'm gonna eyeball that product.

[Voodoochile]

Bud you have some nice new toys there & that bow is coming along AWESOMELY all that's needed is to get some smoke a rolling.

[Ratdog68]

You're right... the smoke machine does need to fire up and waft through the range. :cool:

[Voodoochile]

BTW:
My local Gander Mountain has Traditions "Pietta" NMA's in SS w/ adjustable sights, just wish I wasn't on a diet right now with moma watching the books.

I also can't wait for my Zona T/D Recurve to be finished & in my hands.

What loads are you planing to try in your new toys?

[Ratdog68]

A new toy is always a much needed facet to a man's life. :evil:

I hear ya on the Zona bow... I'm further down the list than you are... I know they're gonna be too sweet ! Didja see on the classifieds that one of the members is having to sell his Zona already? It was just finished in January.

I haven't dug too deep into the manual yet, but I'm gonna start with their recommendations of the most accurate load and tinker from there... if I recall correctly, I've got 777 for powder, so, I'll most likely have to tone the load down a little bit for 'em.

[Voodoochile]

He he, told my wife last week that I was seriously thinking of selling my Trykon since I haven't shot it since February 12th. & use the funds to finance a new toy for my self, like a nice Long Bow or maybe one of those NMA's.

[BCRider]

TRADING the money from one toy to another should be allowed. After all it's already commited to grins and giggles. And it's it's pretty tough to get any G&G's from a new sofa or new roof or a new garden tool, or a.........

[Ratdog68]

the girlfriend lives 175 miles away. ;) The only clucking I have to face is the VISA bill at the end of the month. :what: :banghead: :eek: (Can I pay my VISA with my MasterCard?) :D :neener: :D

[Voodoochile]

Very true & have done that a time or two but I've cut back quite a bit to keep Moma happy since we are in trubbled times like no ASA shoots only local stuff, cut back on some of my toy list, & driving a Saturn SL1 instead of my GMC K2500 Diesel.

But it's all good I did some side work & used that funds to get my Zona, sold a few things here & there to save for another toy or maybe attend a shoot or two, keeping the lil ones & Moma happy is good because I know that I'll be due soon. ;)

[Ratdog68]

You'll get reward for takin' care of the brood. That Zona Bow will be really nice, I have NO doubt !

[Voodoochile]

Oh BTW:
Have you tried the 777 in a side lock yet?

I've tried it in my CVA Bobcat & had to learn a trick to make it reliably fire & Traditions sidelocks from what I've seen have a very similar fire chamber to my CVA.

With my CVA Bobcat, I've learned to pour the measured 777 down the muzzle & then with the lock angled twords the ground but with the stock still on the ground, tap the barrel with your palm a cupple of times to help trickle the powder in twords the drum, load the PRB or conical as normal but JUST SIT IT ON THE POWDER, DO NOT COMPRESS IT.
For some reason 777 does not like to be compressed much & can be unpredictable in ignition when compressed & possibly have slightly higher than normal pressures, but when the projectile os just seated against the charge it tends to be more reliable & consistent in pressures when you use it in a side lock muzzle loader.

[Ratdog68]

Haven't fired one of 'em yet... six of my seven are in my hot little hands too. I'll keep that in mind when I do my first range outing with 'em though... thanks.

[Ratdog68]

Got a message from the vendor... my 1858 Bison revolver is on backorder for about another month !!! :what: :banghead: :eek: That's a terrible thing to do to a feller ! Oh well... I guess I'll just have to make due with the BP's I already have and get a few rounds through a couple of 'em. Ya know? Life's rough sometimes. :)

[Voodoochile]

Yup know what you mean.

[Ratdog68]

Kermit had me come over tonight with my bow. We needed to finish the nocks and to increase the radius just a tad more on the arrow shelf (vertical portion's face side). I was pleased to hear him say that he was afraid to touch it after all the sanding I've done on it. Anyhow... we got it done, he gave me the go-ahead to finish sand what we'd done tonight and to apply the finish whenever I thought it was ready ! He gave it an "A" too ! :D It's an AMO 68" and the final tiller came in at 60 lbs. @ 28". The tiller is sweet !! I'll post pix of it after I finish sanding it (before the oil goes on it) and then again after the oil finish is applied. I'm gonna take it to an indoor range on Saturday and shoot the snot out of it before the finish goes on it. I couldn't be more pleased with how the bow's turned out !!!

[Voodoochile]

Bud that'd be the bow that I'd have in the woods with me come opening morning.

Just think how emotional it will be knowing that you made it all happen full circle.

I'm studying some of the pictures of that tillering rig that your bud Kermit has & think I need to make my own up like his, would be my beginnings in making my own bow one day.

[madcratebuilder]

my 1858 Bison revolver is on backorder for about another month

What model are you getting?
I got one in a estate purchase. I was going to sell it and decided to clean it up and shoot it one time before I let it go. Turns out I really like it and the looks are growing on me so much I'm going to 'pinto' another c&b I'm building.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/58buf01.jpg

[Ratdog68]

That's the puppy (I do believe). Mine's the Traditions 12" with brass frame in .44. Anything about it that I need to be aware of and/or keep in mind?

"Cleaned up"... looks like you flat out got after it with the polishing compound !! It looks great !!

[Ratdog68]

I'm gonna have to build myself one of those tillering boards. It really makes a difference when you can tie it off at your desired pull and walk over to the bow and mark it with a pencil after studying the grid to see what each limb is doing and where.

Yeah... there'd be considerable emotion inside if I'm able to take a deer with this bow. I've harvested two moose, a couple fallow deer, a couple sika deer, a couple mouflon wild sheep, a few dozen caribou/rendeer... but, I've NEVER harvested a local deer. Doin' so with the first bow I've made would be very pleasantly ironic. :D

[madcratebuilder]

"Cleaned up"... looks like you flat out got after it with the polishing compound !! It looks great !!

Thanks. It is the nickle plated model so it does shine good in photo's.

Have you done any hunting for local deer up out of Granite Falls? There are some great spots on the side of Mt Pilchuck. There used to be an old steel cable crossing. You would climb in this one man car and pull your self across the canon. Great hunting on the far side, very few people went that far in.

[Ratdog68]

Hmmm... may have to see about locating that though.

[Voodoochile]

Was it Cabelas that had your Bison revolver?

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?type=product&cmCat=Related_IPL_216598&id=0006124210067a

Good price too.

Keep the charges around 20gr. 777 & .454 ball or a .450 conical & it'll last you some years.

[Ratdog68]

but it wasn't as good of a price as Cabela's. I just may order one of those and cancel my other order. Thanks for the heads up on that.

[Voodoochile]

Glad to be of help.. :D

[Ratdog68]

Cabela's told me over the phone that because I'm in WA State... they can only send to an FFL (blackpowder firearm, I talking !!) I asked him what was up with that... apparently a "new" WA State law they're abiding by. Now... that's odd, because I just received TWO BP's to my house, just last week. I don't care if Cabela's IS $40 cheaper and have it in stock... I'll wait the month for the back-ordered vendor to ship to my door without having to run interference with an FFL holder !! :fire: :banghead: :cuss:

[Ratdog68]

http://image.sportsmansguide.com/dimage/106375_ts.JPG?cell=320,320&cvt=jpeg

So... after a month and a half of waiting... a few emails to remind 'em I'm still waiting... and a phone call to them just now... turns out they had ONE of them in stock that'd been sent out somewhere for a photo-shoot and was sitting on the shelf. The next shipment from Pietta is Julyish. Well... in about a week's time, the remaining bad-boy from my order will arrive !!!! Gentlemen... I present to you the ballistic missle cap and ball revolver, 1858 Bison !! (Otay, soon) :evil:

Also... as a follow-up to the whole Cabela's fiasco that I was unhappy about... as it turns out, since Cabela's has a "brick/mortar" location within WA State, they are required to abide by that new WA law. Since Sportsman's Guide does NOT... I can receive a shipment to my door. Traditions will be shipping right to my door. Guess how I'll be spending MY "holy black" arms money from now on. WA State is stupid in their dealings with the private sector !!!

[BCRider]

My, Gran'ma, what a long barrel you have...... You gonna use a tripod to hold up the front of that barrel? :D

I'm curious about what these extra long barrels were intended for back in the day. Special target shooting or something else? Seems like a rifle would do a better job if it was intended for longer ranges. Still, that long a barrel isn't something your average cowboy would want to pack on thier hip. :confused:

[Ratdog68]

since rumors are afloat of a carbine stock to be made for being added to... what better than a 12" barrel, when they come available? :evil:

[arcticap]

When I was young, a really long barrel pistol was associated with Wyatt Earp and I guess that the model was called the "Buntline Special". The image of him using one appears to be true:

"Buntline Special"

As a deputy, Earp was known for using a long-barreled revolver to pistol-whip and disarm cowboys who resisted town ordinances against carrying of firearms. Although there is no conclusive proof as to the kind of pistol Wyatt carried, his reported use of a long-barreled pistol, for many years doubted, may have been a reality. The story of the gun, known as the "Buntline Special," begins with the murder of actress Dora Hand (who was also known as Fannie Keenan) in 1878. Hand was shot by a man attempting to kill Dodge City Mayor James H. "Dog" Kelly. Dora was a guest in Kelly’s house and was sleeping in his bed at the time while Kelly and his wife were out of town. Dora was a celebrity, and her murder became a national story. Earp was in the posse that brought down the murderer. The story of the capture was reported in newspapers as far away as New York and California.

According to the newspaper stories, five men were dispatched as a posse to capture the assassin: Wyatt Earp, Bat Masterson, a very young Bill Tilghman, Charlie Bassett and William Duffy. Earp shot the man’s horse, and Masterson wounded the assassin, who was James "Spike" Kenedy, son of Texas cattleman Miflin Kenedy. The Dodge City Times called them "as intrepid a posse as ever pulled a trigger."

It is very likely that Dora’s murder and the tracking down of her assassin were the events that caused Ned Buntline to bestow the gift of the "Buntline Specials." Earp’s biography claimed the Specials were given to "famous lawmen" Wyatt Earp, Bat Masterson, Bill Tilghman, Charlie Bassett and Neal Brown by author Ned Buntline in return for “local color” for his western yarns. This is technically inaccurate since neither Tilghman nor Brown were lawmen then. Further, Buntline wrote only four western yarns, all about Buffalo Bill. So, if Buntline got any “local color," he never used it.

Lake spent much effort trying to track down the Buntline Special through the Colt company, Masterson and contacts in Alaska. It was a Colt Single Action Army model with a 12-inch (30 cm) barrel, standard sights, and wooden grips into which the name “Ned” was ornately carved. Earp was the only one of the recipients who kept his Buntline Special the original length; Masterson and the others cut the barrel down for easier concealment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyatt_Earp

[AussieTH]

(See observation in Post # 71 by Ratdog above)

This is considerably more than a rumour! It is in fact the Walker LRE (long range Express) project that is currently well under way.

This is basically to ‘tame’ the big horse pistols a bit (Walker and Dragoons). They will be fitted with 18” custom barrels, long range sights and detachable shoulder stocks.

This is going to make them very large and heavy. The stock development part of the team is sltm1 who has come up with a sound design that avoids cutting the recoil shield (less expense) but drilling the receiver to take four rest screws to match a modified butt stock adaptor coupling.

There is no reason in principle why this cannot be used on the later (and smaller .44 cals with ‘Buntline’ barrels) but these are a bit narrower across the shoulders than the horse pistols so the base LRE stock will be too big.

We anyway have to get a handful of LREs out into the field and shoot the tails off them to check all that is expected. This is not an ‘image’ project, we want a really tested, sound and lasting product.

The custom barrels will be fabricated in Australia and the stocks are being developed in Idaho.

Regular progress reports will be posted as we go along.

Aye

Tony

[Ratdog68]

Is one gonna be offered for the 1858 Remington configuration (as in my Bison)? I'd be interested in a stock for this one and retain the 12" barrel.

Idaho is right next door to me (so to speak)... what town in Idaho? :evil:

[AussieTH]

Hmmmmm! This may be a time for PMs. I cannot speak for sltm1 and do not want to compromise him in any way.

This LRE project is starting to get a life of it's own. We have already had offers of "send one to me for testing and to look after etc".

The concept was primarily for the big colts and we have being buying in stock guns to work with. I do not know if sltm1 has a Remmie to model from - or even if he wants to make another mould. I do know that he is very precise and will not turn out sloppy fitting 'junk' Maybe best to talk to him.

Aye

Tony

[Ratdog68]

If'n he's a wantin' to consider it, and needs a Remmie to work from... we can prob'ly work sumpin' out. Do up a "cc" email to me if'n ya likes.

DragonRiderATValhallaSixGunsDOTcom :neener:

[BCRider]

Thanks for the history lesson. That fills in a lot of the background.

Were not the add on stocks intended to mount to some special points on the frames? So to do this accurately the frames need to be modified for this?

Certainly it would be simple enough to make up a shoulder stock that just replaces the hand grips but unless special arrangements are made in the mounting of the stock that will leave the mount without sufficient support given the leverage available in a shoulder stock.

Just don't reach out to support it like a rifle unless you're wearing one of those leather wrist guards.... :D

[Ratdog68]

Just on a hunch... I swung by the house a little bit ago... and there it was on the porch !!! My 1858 NMA Bison has arrived !!! :evil: :evil: :evil: She's a purdy thang too !! Surprisingly light too. The brass frame kind of makes up for the 12" barrel in that department. :cool: Finally !!! A BP revolver that doesn't have that annoying ring around the cylinder !!

Now the "bitter" part. Dagnabit! The back strap (brass) doesn't marry up to the left grip, just rearward of the base of the hammer. It appears that the grip is "flat", but the brass appears to be the culprit. The right side of the brass (grip) is on an even plane with the hammer cut out. The left side of the grip frame (brass) has a 5/8" section with a little too much material removed (probably a file or narrow belt sander), by a full 1/32" (on the forward part and fades back to the correct, even plane) so that it's not on the same plane in that area and has an air gap between the brass and the walnut grip. Hold it up and you see a wedged shaped line of daylight... it's the same on the bottom side too. :banghead:

Pix to come when I get home. So? Am I just nick-pickey? Is it normal for an obvious flaw to be passed off as "ok" with these guns? Argh.... it's July before their next shipment arrives (not too far away), yeah, I could send it back to get another one... frustrating though... I've been waiting on this since the end of April. :(

[arcticap]

When ordering guns through the mail from a dealer with a known return policy, it's based on the approval of the buyer once the gun is received and passes inspection.
You have a reasonable expectation to be a satisfied consumer, and the gun doesn't seem to meet that criteria enough to satisfy you.
But I think that you knew that already.
If you want to fix it yourself or can live with it forever the way it is then that's for you to decide.
But this grip issue sounds worse than the Uberti's and I don't see how in good concience you could choose to keep it.
And if you don't want to wait for another of the same model, you can always consider another model or an upgrade. You most likely will be paying for return shipping and that price will be more than worth making the exchange.
Cheer up! Maybe having this happen is a blessing in disguise! ;)

[BHP FAN]

and you can get another new gun!

[BCRider]

That's a shame. But I have to agree with the others in saying that you should send it back. Otherwise even if you reshape the brass frame to fix it you'll know it isn't right.

[Ratdog68]

Canon G9 12MP... first are with "normal" setting, the close-ups are with the "macro" setting. Pretty much blatent flaw in my book. :(

First the good part...

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/Ratdog68/BlackPowder/1858/Bison/1858Bison001.jpg

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/Ratdog68/BlackPowder/1858/Bison/1858Bison002.jpg

Heck... you can see it in THIS shot...

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/Ratdog68/BlackPowder/1858/Bison/1858Bison003.jpg

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/Ratdog68/BlackPowder/1858/Bison/1858Bison004.jpg

Now... it gets UGLY in a hurry... first, with the gun in focus...

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/Ratdog68/BlackPowder/1858/Bison/1858BisonGap001.jpg

Now... with the straw in focus THROUGH the gap !!....

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/Ratdog68/BlackPowder/1858/Bison/1858BisonGap002.jpg

Yeah... I think I have to send this one back and insist on a replacement. This is just too blatent... they should've caught that and asked me if I was ok with it. I was told it was a "photo op" gun that was the last on the shelf. I hope someone caught the fugly angle on film and it doesn't get "proofed" too well. It'd serve 'em right. :evil:

At least I hadn't gone through the trouble of cleaning it and polishing the brass before finding it.

[arcticap]

Well it turned out to be a really good "photo op" gun for you. It looks like one of the Pietta workers forgot to put some lunch in his winebox! :D

[Ginormous]

Jeez Ratdog68, if it weren't for bad luck, you'd have no luck at all with BP guns from that vendor. I'm genuinely sorry you're having to deal with these issues.

Hella good pic through the gap though! I think you missed your calling. You should be a photographer with a swanky gun magazine.

[Ratdog68]

it's even a different vendor !! First Uberti (Sportsman's Warehouse)... now a Pietta (Traditions).

Well... back in the day... you photo'g'd yer own crime scenes... so, a feller had to learn how to capture what it was you were wanting to record. It's come in handy later in life. :evil:

[Ginormous]

If I'd ever photographed my old crime scenes, my camera would have been confiscated by the morality police. :neener:

Fortunately, they are forever stored in the old grey matter upstairs. Now if I could only remember their names! :evil::evil::evil::evil:

[Ratdog68]

I've heard of such tales. :evil:

http://vrcc.photostash.com/vrcc_11930/MontanaHooker.JPG

[Ginormous]

Ugh, the years haven't been kind to her. :what:

Glad I moved on when I had the chance!

[BCRider]

Oh, Ratdog, sharp as ever.... :D

Not only is the gap there but it sure does look like the frame between the grips is not even square to the rest of the frame that holds the action and cylinder. Granted it may well be just the camera but I'm seeing it in one of the farther back views as well as in the two close ups.

[Ratdog68]

The back strap is not on the same plane as the hammer, as it lays within its place within the frame. :barf: It does so with my other 1858 NMA.

[Ratdog68]

and spoke with 'em on the phone as well this morning.

Received a return authorization number to send it back. They want the receipt included to have on record for reimbursement of the shipping costs (they'll get a copy). They want to determine whether the gun can be "fixed" or not... but, will need to see it in person to make that determination. (We'll talk on that later).

What I told them in my email was that I expect them to pick up the tab for the shipping, that I want them to hand select a jewel for me from the next shipment, and that the gesture of a spare cylinder included would be fine... given that I've been waiting since April, and having to deal with the condition of this offering.

I reminded them that this was the third BP gun of this particular order and that I have higher expectations of quality from them than this... especially upon seeing the condition of the previous two guns I received from them... and that my other 1858 NMA is far superior to this one's alignment between the backstrap and remainder of the frame.

They promised me (Jason) they'd get back with me promptly once they've had a chance to assess this one first-hand.

Stay tuned.

[Ratdog68]

So... I'd received another "sorry it's taking us so long... another delay..." email last week. I followed up with a reply to them that I was very disappointed to hear it... and listed off the history behind this order and why I'm not very pleased (about now). Got back an apology for it taking so long and they're working on it. And... I followed up with clarifying that I'm not cursing them... just expressing concern and relating my disappointment in the list of problems to get it resolved.

This morning, Jason calls me and says he'd like to have a little of my time to talk to me and find out just where I am in my wants/needs. From his end of things, a number of issues are contributing to the delays. No shipment received from Pietta to them (Traditions). That means no parts either arriving from Italy for the Piettas. Further... pretty much all of Europe is on vacation for the entire month of August, so he can't even get answers to his questions on the status of the shipment(s). He also wanted to know how hard fast I am on wanting/needing the "as advertised" Bison gun. He's got one with a buggered barrel, and mine with the buggered frame, and he'd be able to/happy to make a nice/new gun out of the two for me. Or... he's got some other models available to him.

So, I tells him that I already have a Pietta 1858 NMA in blued steel, so I really don't need another one of them at this point in time, what other options do I have?

He's got two different factory samples which are not actually in production, would I be interested in one of them? One of them is (I think) a blued steel with "antiqued" simulated ivory grips with a Native American motif carved onto it... he's also got an all nickel plated frame/barrel gun with a gold plated cylinder and the simulated ivory grips that he'd be able/willing to send me as a substitute to the Bison model. Hmmmm.... An 8" barreled, all nickel plated .44 with a gold plated cylinder (a "one of a kind", more or less) which retails for more than double what I paid for the Bison... or a cobbled together Bison, or another one-off... it took me about half a second to think that one over.

Bottom line, I have the tracking number for the arrival of my new gun, it'll be the 8" nickel plated 1858 with gold plated cylinder and simulated ivory grips. Jason (Customer Service Mgr) at Traditions went above and beyond to do what he could to make me a happy camper. To be fair to them... HR Dept. allowed nearly everyone in that section to take vacation (overlapping) at the same time, so he hadn't been allowed to get to his own duties like he'd wanted... he'd had to fire a guy... no inventory from Italy to work with... ok, that's fair as an explanation of "why" things have been so delayed. But... he called me personally to get an idea of where I am in my requirements and offered me options to choose from... and got 'er done before the end of business the same day.

Otay... m'be I'll just have to order me up another Bison when they do finally arrive from Italy. In the meantime... Traditions shines as they resolve this matter for me.

[Das Jaeger]

Soudns good, five times the gun too , you win !
I have the same gun , but not from Tradtions , Cabelas and has a steel frame and then nickel over it , NICE GUN ! :D

Alls happy in Ratface land today, congrats !

Jaeger

[Ratdog68]

Soudns good, five times the gun too , you win !
I have the same gun , but not from Tradtions , Cabelas and has a steel frame and then nickel over it , NICE GUN ! :D

Alls happy in Ratface land today, congrats !

Jaeger
Thanks... does Cabela's deal with Pietta and Uberti? I haven't been able to find a way to tell whether their offerning is one, or the other (with exception of the Walker). I was assuming they're strictly Uberti. I dunno.

[ClemBert]

I've said it once and I'll say it again....I love it when the good guys win! :D:D:D:D

[Das Jaeger]

they carry Uberti and Pietta .

This is the Revolver I think your getting .

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/5150kelly/100_0617.jpg
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/5150kelly/100_0615.jpg

And it's a well built gun from Pietta too , very nicely done , especially the grips , HEAVY material and solid, no plastic on this beast .

Das Jaeger :D

PS....and as far as I know the only Uberti is the Walker , the 1848 little frame gun , and the Carbine Remington, the rest are Pietta strictly .

[Ratdog68]

'Das a purdy one fer sure !!! I'll definately post up pix as soon as it arrives. "Good trade". :D Nice to know they carry both brands. Thanks for posting that one up... I'd love it if it has the fancy scroll work on it.

[Ratdog68]

I've said it once and I'll say it again....I love it when the good guys win! :D:D:D:D
And, as I think I answered it before... even when I win too? :D Thanks.

[Ratdog68]

Ugh... FedEx won't be here until next Wednesday. :banghead:

[ClemBert]

I called Cabela's yesterday to ask them when they were gonna send my my replacement 1851 Navy. They got the old one back on Tuesday. The return paper work said it take a full 2 to 3 weeks from the time they get the old one back. When I called them I told them that was unacceptable as they had sent me a defective weapon and I wanted one now because in 3 weeks it could be an out of stock item. They were very agreeable to sending out the replacement with express shipment at no charge. Should be here on Monday. Hope its a keeper!!!! :scrutiny:

p.s. I hope yours is a keeper!!!!

[Ratdog68]

Good on ya. They do need to git-er-done on the double quick. They expected timely payment, they need to show their appreciation of your business. They also need to hand pick you a nice one.

I'm very anxious to see this one that we settled on. They stepped up and done good by me on the free up-grade. LOL It's just a drag to be waiting on is all over again.

Got the new Walker cleaned up and polished up, pulled the nipples and schmoied 'em up with anti-seize. It's ready for it's turn at the range. Dang... this thing is a big ol' pig of a revolver ! :D It doesn't even FIT in my range bag. The 1858 NMA just BARELY fits inside it. Took 'em both to the job site this morning and let the helpers handle the 1858 and watched their eyes pop "Man, that's a huge gun !!" Then... dropped the Walker in their hands. :evil: They couldln't believe their eyes. Love these BP hog-legs.

[Smokin_Gun]

'Das, now those Rems got my attention...they are things of Pure beauty, ain't much a anything better than a purdy Remington ... 'less it was two Remingtons :O)
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Smokin_Gun/Santa%20Barbara/ENSB.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Smokin_Gun/Santa%20Barbara/SantaBarbara3.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Smokin_Gun/Santa%20Barbara/BothSB.jpg

[Ratdog68]

Yes indeed... them's be purdy !! They've got a fine feel in the paw too.

[BCRider]

Oooooo... I sure do like those ones of your there SG. The blue engraved look really seems to add something.

The nickel ones were something but somehow I'm just not a fan of silver and shiney on the whole.

[Das Jaeger]

Thems beautys of yours are those fancy ASM's they used to make ?
Mmmmmmm , purdy :)

Das Jaeger

[arcticap]

Those are E. N. Santa Barbara 1858 Remington revolvers made by Empresa Nacional Santa Barbara de Industrias Militares, S.A. [Spanish National Weapons Factories].

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=378771&highlight=santa+barbara

[Das Jaeger]

, that brand always escapes my memory , right along with common sence , hee hee hee . Thanks ! :D

Jaeger

[Ratdog68]

'Das a purdy one fer sure !!! I'll definately post up pix as soon as it arrives. "Good trade". :D Nice to know they carry both brands. Thanks for posting that one up... I'd love it if it has the fancy scroll work on it.
It arrived !! Gotta get 'er all cleaned up before I take pix of it. No scroll work, it's an 8" nickel plated 1858 with the entire cylinder gold plated. Smooth, simulated ivory grips. Does not have target sights either... it's basically the 1858 NMA with a different finish and grips applied to it. It's a purdy little thing !!

[Smokin_Gun]

Congrads on the arrival Ratdog68...

[Voodoochile]

Sweet, can't wait to see it.

[Ratdog68]

Well, here it is... after all the waiting and phone calls, emails, etc. :cool:

I likes it !! And since his Jaegerness was gripin' 'bout the straw bale... a different backdrop. :neener:

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/Ratdog68/BlackPowder/1858/NickelGold/NickelGold001.jpg

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/Ratdog68/BlackPowder/1858/NickelGold/NickelGold002.jpg

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/Ratdog68/BlackPowder/1858/NickelGold/NickelGold003.jpg

I'll have to get some outside pix... hmmm... good ol' straw bale to the rescue again ! The nickel doesn't show as well inside.

Here's the trio: Walker on top, the 1858 Nickel Gold in the middle and the 1858 NMA on the bottom.

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/Ratdog68/BlackPowder/1858/NickelGold/NickelGold004.jpg

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/Ratdog68/BlackPowder/1858/NickelGold/NickelGold005.jpg

[ClemBert]

Coolito! Nice set of sister ya got there. :D

[BCRider]

With all that shine and ersatz ivory we'll have to start calling Diamond Jim Ratdog... :D

Looks sweet. And as long as you're happy with it then alls well that ends well.

[Ratdog68]

With all that shine and ersatz ivory we'll have to start calling Diamond Jim Ratdog... :D

Looks sweet. And as long as you're happy with it then alls well that ends well.

I look at it this way... I got this bad boy for the price of the "Bison"... who says I can't order me up another Bison later? :D

[Ratdog68]

I must say... I do like the feel of a Remmie in my paw !! Prob'ly gonna end up with a couple-three more before the dust settles. :evil:

[Voodoochile]

Now you're talkin.
Nothin wrong with having one for each room of the house.

Very nice lookin bunch ya got there too my friend.

[ClemBert]

I must say... I do like the feel of a Remmie in my paw !! Prob'ly gonna end up with a couple-three more before the dust settles.

It always seems like the majority like the feel of the 1851 in their hands better. However, the ol' Uberti 1858 sure feels good with the Pietta 1851 coming in slightly behind. Honestly, there doesn't seem to be much of a difference in grip size or shape.

[Ratdog68]

Now you're talkin.
Nothin wrong with having one for each room of the house.

Very nice lookin bunch ya got there too my friend.

I 'spose I need to be fair and get a few more Colt types too... I mean... a feller should be balanced. Don'tcha thinks? :evil:

[Ratdog68]

It always seems like the majority like the feel of the 1851 in their hands better. However, the ol' Uberti 1858 sure feels good with the Pietta 1851 coming in slightly behind. Honestly, there doesn't seem to be much of a difference in grip size or shape.

Me keeps an open mind in the matter. Others will have to be acquired and given their own chance to shine too. :D

[Tomahawk674]

Beatiful piece ratdog, can you shoot it with that gold plating?

[Ratdog68]

Beatiful piece ratdog, can you shoot it with that gold plating?
Thanks... and... Absolutely I can. Will I ? Most likely (with the gold cylinder). I also have the option of swapping a blued cylinder into the gun. If the gold wears off... well... I happen to have gold plating equipment (electro plating) and can always polish/replate it. I may gold plate the screw heads on this one. :evil:

[Olmontanaboy]

That sure is a nice lookin Rem, I like the ivory grips you should get another one for a matched set:D

[arcticap]

That sure is a nice lookin Rem

I wholeheartedly concur! :)
And don't ever let anyone accuse you of being a pimp or a pimp robber either!:D

You only robbed Traditions of some Bling!Bling!! in self-defense!!!! :neener:

[messerist]

"Hey! Has anyone seen my purdy shootin' iron? I think someone stole it outta my purple caddy. -Jim "The Pimp" Walker p.s. just funnin ya! It is a nice looking 1858:)

[Olmontanaboy]

Alright, let's get one thing straight here,,,,pimps carry PEARL handled pistols,,, gentleman carry IVORY handled revolvers:D I don't know what I'm doin with this one cause I sure aint no gentleman:cool:
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/filekeeper/bp015.jpg

[Das Jaeger]

Congratulations on your new revolver . :D

Like my Daddy told a black gang member in Alabama when we were at the store last time I was vivsitin him . Black man was drving a Chevy Caprice with 24" chrome wheels , raised it up about 2 ' high off the ground ? :banghead:
Dad said , " Hey Buckwheat , thats some fancy arse Hooptee you gots there " .......No lie , Pops is fearless :D

Well BuckwheatRatdog68 , thats some fancy arse Hooptee 58 you gots there :D You do realize I am still King of this gang with my Hooptee engraved nickelled 58 with Gold plated cylinder ? Barretta called and Teddy Bear said he wants his gun back from me too darn it ? :D

Did ya hear yourself talkin about Colts and bein proper and making your Colt collection match your Remington collection now ? Ummm , I would like to take near full credit on your current addictive tendences please for that way of thinkin . :D Pretty soon you will have as many revolvers as the Hopptee-Buckwheat-Jeagermiester has ! :D

Congrats Brother , after dealin with Traditions , you deserve this gun no doubt about it . :)

Jaeger out ...

PS.......Make sure that gun is not a brass frame first , scrape some of the nickel from inside when you tear her down and see if they sent ya a brass one
before you be Warthog loadin her , okeedokee , they make both you know . That was the problem with the 51 Nickel I had , it had a brass frame under the nickel , arbor shot out , not good .
Definately make sure before you buy a conversion cylinder for it !

[Ratdog68]

LOL Homie's needin' a wide brimmed hat to go with my long fur coat now. Heck... if'n I try really hard... I could look like this feller... actually, a buddy of mine in Ohio... he was "dolled up" for a gag/bike event. He's a hoot.

http://vrcc.photostash.com/vrcc_506/HOOPLA044.jpg

Well... looks like Traditions screwed up again... they sent "ivory" to me (does that mean I'm a simulated "gent"?). It's mine now... too late to take it back !!

LOL That's a phunnie tale you have 'bout pops and his comment about the Caprice. Can't really say you get full credit 'bout me wanting some of each... that's kinda been what I've been about from the get go (with BP toys).... but your twisted input definately rings true within my twisted head. :D Kinda makes ya my brother from another mother, huh?

[ClemBert]

Ratdog,

This cat wants HIS '58 back.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oaJP_uvtY_k/ReZI4qNYD-I/AAAAAAAAAF0/lQmpXQVrIqo/s320/kramer.pimp.bmp

:neener:

[Ratdog68]

Think he'd take it muzzle-first? :evil:

[Ratdog68]

LOL My buddy "Mojo" back in Ohio posed up for me with some of his stuff. He's definately got a sense of humor.

http://vrcc.photostash.com/vrcc_11527/z.jpg

[Das Jaeger]

you know your buddy from Ohio realy dresses like that for everyday man , don't be tryin to kid us now :D

Simulated Plastic is more like it :what: Just kidding , Traditions has nothin to do with those guns except sell um anyway . Yours looks just as good as mine on um for sure . I think white grips just goes right with Nickel guns . :D The Gold well , I could live without it , forever . Am sure to nickel mine eventually .
It wears off quick Ratdog68 if your gonna shoot out of it . Mine is doin just that . I use the conversion cylinder msotly anyways .
Sure glad you gota nice lookin piece to add to your collection . You will be amazed how easy it is to clean . Plus the fouling up against the forcing cones just wipes right off too , sweet .

Ok , so I can't take credit for your addiction , just mine I guess , I tried . :D

If you knew my Pops , the story is more understandable of course , he's 6'5" 240 pounds of Jeronimo lookin mean Indian , he wouldv'e snapped that gang banger like a Fudge Cicle stick had he said anything back derogetory . He hates gang bangers . He likes blacks just fine , me too , but were pretty anti gang bangers , doesn't matter the color either Ratdog68 . ;) You know the drill, your surrounded by um I know , I used to live there too .

Well right on, new gun for ya, thats just exciting man , way to go !

So, is it brass or steel ?

Jaegerdude :D

[Ratdog68]

you know your buddy from Ohio realy dresses like that for everyday man , don't be tryin to kid us now :D

Simulated Plastic is more like it :what: Just kidding , Traditions has nothin to do with those guns except sell um anyway . Yours looks just as good as mine on um for sure . I think white grips just goes right with Nickel guns . :D The Gold well , I could live without it , forever . Am sure to nickel mine eventually .
It wears off quick Ratdog68 if your gonna shoot out of it . Mine is doin just that . I use the conversion cylinder msotly anyways .
Sure glad you gota nice lookin piece to add to your collection . You will be amazed how easy it is to clean . Plus the fouling up against the forcing cones just wipes right off too , sweet .

Ok , so I can't take credit for your addiction , just mine I guess , I tried . :D

If you knew my Pops , the story is more understandable of course , he's 6'5" 240 pounds of Jeronimo lookin mean Indian , he wouldv'e snapped that gang banger like a Fudge Cicle stick had he said anything back derogetory . He hates gang bangers . He likes blacks just fine , me too , but were pretty anti gang bangers , doesn't matter the color either Ratdog68 . ;) You know the drill, your surrounded by um I know , I used to live there too .

Well right on, new gun for ya, thats just exciting man , way to go !

So, is it brass or steel ?

Jaegerdude :D

He and his wife Sindee are a pile of fun. He's another BP nut.

Yup... I"m sure the gold won't last all that long. If need be, I can polish off the gold plating and re-plate it in 24kt. I've got the means to do it. I'll probably gold plate the screw heads too at some point in time. I must say though... I really like your scroll engraved one better. That's just down right FINE !! This one's my first new nickel gun. I'm likin' it just fine too.

Yer definately contributing to my diliquency... let's call it the right kind of encouragement. :D

Yup... people are people, no matter what color the skin... unfortunately there's "PUNKS" in every group of people. Nobody likes punks. At least that one appears to be one with a little common sense.

I pulled the grips and took a file to the rough casting area on the inside face of the grip frame. I filed that section smooth and it doesn't have the tell tale golden appearance of brass, it has that nice steel look about it. :evil:

Hey.... yer enthusiasm for the sport is inspiring... and, I'll be pickin' yer brain from time to time. Lots of great folks 'round here to glean stuff from.

[Das Jaeger]

I was wonderin about that , glad its steel not Nickel over brass like that darned 51 was from them . That was one good lookin 51 too , Gander Mountain a long arse times ago had a model that they carried that had laminated wood grips on the 51 , yes , NO Kidding , from Traditions no less ! I bought two , gave one to my Pops and one to a good friend . Pops broke , my friends was still doin fine years later , so just another example of crappy QC from italy I suppose . After seein those close up pics of that Parker they carry though , I would try my luck again with Traditions . Can't beleive I even said that ! :banghead: Just glad yours is steel is my point , good . :)

Cabelas carried my model 58 Remington if ya ever get the hankerin to get yours a girlfreind ! Unfortunatly I have watched them go from about $250 up to $340 or so now . Ummmm , it appears they don't stock that one anymore and just the 51 and 60 model , just looked at there Web Page ? Supply and demand I guess , glad I got mine while you still could I guess . Ummm yup , real glad , nice shooter , and pretty like me :D

Enthusiasm you say I have , hmmmm ? I always thought it was O.C.D , but I believe you , yours sounds like a better disease to have anyways :D
Well let me tell ya my friend , you gots one good case of it too ! :D

Stopped off at Home Depot yesterday after work , gots the rest of my stuff to finish off my Confederate Grey display case I am buildin for the other wall finally . I gots too many guns layin around again , had to finally get this case built so they didn't have to sleep on the couch like a bad friend that stayed more than three days you know . :D I got the wood free of course , just had to mill it up , but this stuff gets expensive buildin these things man . Between plexiglass and hardware and another lock , each case I build is a C-Note without labor easilly . I did have a 40 % off coupon on the red velvet at Joans Fabrics , thank God , that stuff is SPENDY ! Plus with brass hooks and surgical clear tubing to hang the guns on , now that I think of it if I put the cost of screws and glue and paint into the mix , its well over a C-Note actually . But hey, when you stuff several thousand dollars of guns in one , tis worth it to keep um dust free and in great shape when they aint out gettin shot up . Plus I like nothin more than spendin time in my gun room , just admirin the Art you know , love it . Screw Picasso , he aint got nothin on the Jaeger !

Dad called last night to let me know he got the Magazine for the 40 I sent him , cool . Uncool was when I asked him if he still had the 1860 Nickel Colt , he said he traded it off years ago . :fire: For what its worth , he told me if he did still have it he'd have just given it to me . We tend to swap stuff over you know Ratdog68 , guns , gunsmithing work, stuff like that. His pistol grip skills aint as good as mine but his hand engraving on gunstocks is way better than mine, so we swap work from time to time and guns of course . I have given that man allot of guns in his life , thats for sure :) Oh yes, out of four boys I am the favorite son dont ya know ! He's still got my Sam yang .45 air rifle stock he's engraving , can't wait . But , I have been wating 5 months now ? Patience Jaeger patience ! Although it will be dazzling I have no doubt about that :D

Well , look forward to hearin a range report one of these days on that 58 of yours !
Were headin out Saturday to our range , not sure what I am takin yet ? I have too many to test , so just gonna grab one and go . Were mostly goin for the 1911's , gots friends we like to compete freindly with , so its going to be mostly modern , but am going to annoy people with at least one BP somethin . I have a hankerin to get the Dragoons out again though :D

Das Jaeger

[Das Jaeger]

I am pretty darned sure I asked for a different backstop-backdrop other than Hay Bales that included Nekked Blonds if my memory serves me right , and it does serve me right :D Ummm , I see nice Carpet in the one picture , um did the Blond not get in the picture for some reason ? Was she really that ugly ?
Man that sure is one pretty gun you got , good pics too , umm , except for the no nekked blond thing :fire:
My Blond says she won't pose for the Forum as my gun backdrop , but she does like your gun if tis any consolation ? What a gal I got man ! Gun Freak , and freak , yeehaaa :D
Hopefully I can get her to post up her new Kimber too , its gorgeous , and the only guns your gonna see from her I bet . :D

Later, Jaeger

[Ratdog68]

I was wonderin about that , glad its steel not Nickel over brass like that darned 51 was from them . That was one good lookin 51 too , Gander Mountain a long arse times ago had a model that they carried that had laminated wood grips on the 51 , yes , NO Kidding , from Traditions no less ! I bought two , gave one to my Pops and one to a good friend . Pops broke , my friends was still doin fine years later , so just another example of crappy QC from italy I suppose . After seein those close up pics of that Parker they carry though , I would try my luck again with Traditions . Can't beleive I even said that ! :banghead: Just glad yours is steel is my point , good .

Cabelas carried my model 58 Remington if ya ever get the hankerin to get yours a girlfreind ! Unfortunatly I have watched them go from about $250 up to $340 or so now . Ummmm , it appears they don't stock that one anymore and just the 51 and 60 model , just looked at there Web Page ? Supply and demand I guess , glad I got mine while you still could I guess . Ummm yup , real glad , nice shooter , and pretty like me :D

Enthusiasm you say I have , hmmmm ? I always thought it was O.C.D , but I believe you , yours sounds like a better disease to have anyways :D
Well let me tell ya my friend , you gots one good case of it too ! :D

Stopped off at Home Depot yesterday after work , gots the rest of my stuff to finish off my Confederate Grey display case I am buildin for the other wall finally . I gots too many guns layin around again , had to finally get this case built so they didn't have to sleep on the couch like a bad friend that stayed more than three days you know . :D I got the wood free of course , just had to mill it up , but this stuff gets expensive buildin these things man . Between plexiglass and hardware and another lock , each case I build is a C-Note without labor easilly . I did have a 40 % off coupon on the red velvet at Joans Fabrics , thank God , that stuff is SPENDY ! Plus with brass hooks and surgical clear tubing to hang the guns on , now that I think of it if I put the cost of screws and glue and paint into the mix , its well over a C-Note actually . But hey, when you stuff several thousand dollars of guns in one , tis worth it to keep um dust free and in great shape when they aint out gettin shot up . Plus I like nothin more than spendin time in my gun room , just admirin the Art you know , love it . Screw Picasso , he aint got nothin on the Jaeger !

Dad called last night to let me know he got the Magazine for the 40 I sent him , cool . Uncool was when I asked him if he still had the 1860 Nickel Colt , he said he traded it off years ago . :fire: For what its worth , he told me if he did still have it he'd have just given it to me . We tend to swap stuff over you know Ratdog68 , guns , gunsmithing work, stuff like that. His pistol grip skills aint as good as mine but his hand engraving on gunstocks is way better than mine, so we swap work from time to time and guns of course . I have given that man allot of guns in his life , thats for sure :) Oh yes, out of four boys I am the favorite son dont ya know ! He's still got my Sam yang .45 air rifle stock he's engraving , can't wait . But , I have been wating 5 months now ? Patience Jaeger patience ! Although it will be dazzling I have no doubt about that :D

Well , look forward to hearin a range report one of these days on that 58 of yours !
Were headin out Saturday to our range , not sure what I am takin yet ? I have too many to test , so just gonna grab one and go . Were mostly goin for the 1911's , gots friends we like to compete freindly with , so its going to be mostly modern , but am going to annoy people with at least one BP somethin . I have a hankerin to get the Dragoons out again though :D

Das Jaeger

I"ll bet those laminated wood grips were purdy suckers !! I used to do quite a bit of mail-order business with Gander Mountain when I was in the arctic... they were a bit more "friendly" to us Alaskans "back in the day" than was Cabela's. I'll have to put an eyeball to their web-site. With WA State's laws the way they are... it's better to do business with a vendor who does NOT have a brick/mortar store within the state lines (when it comes to buying BP goodies).

Oh... I'm plannin' on one of them Navy beauties in the nickel... and some others too. In time, in time.

It's only a disease when it's someone else's habit... ya know... like... golf, stuff like that. With our guns... it's an appreciation of all the finer things. :evil:

Yeah, I hear ya... I need to get busy with making some bow racks, and some gun display cases. I've got bows and guns sprawled out all over the place in my little house... and nonsense hanging on the walls. :rolleyes: Gotta get busy changin' that. :D

Ack !!!:banghead: He traded off your gun long ago ?!?! Didja tell him he's cut-off from other new ones? :evil: Old peoplesz... whatcha gonna do with'em? :D

I'm goin' fishin' again tomorrow... and then Sunday I play passenger with my buddy and his family to do a round-trip to Portland to see his son and celebrate my buddy's boipday. Gonna be a busy weekend... I'm ready !! Have a ball at the range... make lots of smoke... I expect some pix of the whole crew while they're blastin' away.

[Ratdog68]

I am pretty darned sure I asked for a different backstop-backdrop other than Hay Bales that included Nekked Blonds if my memory serves me right , and it does serve me right :D Ummm , I see nice Carpet in the one picture , um did the Blond not get in the picture for some reason ? Was she really that ugly ?
Man that sure is one pretty gun you got , good pics too , umm , except for the no nekked blond thing :fire:
My Blond says she won't pose for the Forum as my gun backdrop , but she does like your gun if tis any consolation ? What a gal I got man ! Gun Freak , and freak , yeehaaa :D
Hopefully I can get her to post up her new Kimber too , its gorgeous , and the only guns your gonna see from her I bet . :D

Later, Jaeger
Gotta go to the store... fresh outta nekkid blondes... so that couch cloth had to suffice for a couple. That danged straw bale just works so good though. Nuttin' like natural light to show case a gun's beauty !!

Tell that gal of yers she's been voted as the designated backdrop for all our BP guns... heck, the 1911's too. We're reasonable folk (sorta). :evil:

[Das Jaeger]

you Bow-vines are Straw folk , not Hay people , thats right . :D I forget that easilly after getting out of the sport years ago myself . We used Sisil ? However its spelled ? Fancy straw , hows that ! :D
I had my trusty Browning Mirage Compound goin on when I was into it , back before overdraw Bows were even in vogue or used for Hunting . Darn , I am Old ?

Good luck fishin , catch an eater :D Takin the Spiller and Burr .36 , decided on that today , gettin her ready as we speak . Dragoons will wait till I have more range time , gals gota nail appointment , so were pressed for time a little tomorrow . I like her nails , so its all good ! :D

Take care , Jaeger

[Ratdog68]

Have fun with the Spiller and Burr... we want pix !!


Went to my buddy's last night and helped with geting the boat ready to go... got to bed at midnight... headed out the door momentarily !! Listen for a few "FISH ON" hollers !

'Dog-gone

[Das Jaeger]

anyone ever told you , you are a pain my preverbial picture arse ? :D
Please let me be the first then :neener:
Its bad enough you gots to rub my nose in your fishing adventures
( lusting and envious :D ) , but you want pictures of the Spiller and Burr in action no less ? :cool: ...If nothing else , you are demanding you know :D
Will see what I can do for ya though . I hope to at least catch some nice smokey shots , maybe some fire too . Will try to get Mount Rainier in the background okeedokee , jeeeeeeeeeesh ! Am going to be using REAL MEN POWDER , yes the Holy Black , max loads , this Spiller and Burr likes um hot too , very accurate on two levels as with most BP revolvers actually . But being a true Warthog , I am not messin with the tiny puff loads today , were goin for drillin some holes hard and fast instead . :D

Will see what I can do for pics ? You realize I have to inconvenience my lady to pull that off you know ? Do you know I will be risking hearing " God your a pian in the arse today Honey " ................And I am blaming it on you too Ratdog68 ! :evil:

Was sittin there pulling nipples last night prepping the gun and stuff , she's sittin there on her laptop PC shakin her head . She just doesn't understand why people are into this BP thing . Man thats allot of work she keeps sayin :D . And I love every minute of it baby :) ......

Jaeger out , you pain in my arse

[Ratdog68]

Well? I don't see no "pichers" yet? Wassamatta you ?!?! :D

Yesterday was a great day of fishing... but, a lousy day of "catching". The ONLY "bite" for the boat was me landing a bait fish that couldn't resist the lure. There were ZERO indications on the fishfinder of any schools of victims... and we were hunting the usual spots that have fish. Hundreds of boats out there too. My buddy drooled on my nickel/gold .44 though. LOL He wanted me to toast us a sea lion that was sunning hizself on the bouy. Being half Native Alaskan... I was tempted to generate some worry for WDFW.... but, the old beast remained untouched on his bed. :evil:

[Das Jaeger]

shoulda nailed um .

Umm , hey Spiller at range picture thread , your not looking very hard !

Thats whyt hey call it fishin , not catchin anyways :D
My worst day fishin is better than my best day workin , remember that .

Jaeger

[Ratdog68]

Didn't see it, 'cause I hadn't gotten that far along the list of shtuffs I hadn't read yet... missed out on most of yesterday with my time in das boot. :D I'm workin' my way there !!

Yup... seal meat is good... so is whale.

[Das Jaeger]

yeh , I like both , will eat most anything personally , except I stear away from insects for the most part , unless of course the stray Spider crawls in my mouth , then he's fare game the way is see it . :D

I gots Injun friends here out on Shi Shi beach area on Neah Bay , we have spent some time chewin animals let me tell ya , and no small amount of whale and Seal has crossed my lips and out the other side , hee hee hee . Good folk out there , really welcomed me good , even being from the Seminole tribe as I am , they still welcomed me right , even being a MUTT indian . :D Them boys and girls like to eat out there Ratdog68 , man they sure do . You ever seena 300 pound native eatin a whole gunny sack of Oysters ? I have . It aint pretty ! :D

Das Jaeger

[Ratdog68]

LOL A whole gunny sack of oysters !??! I'll bet that was messy later !! What a hoot. Ain't been to Neah Bay area in decades !!

[Das Jaeger]

wouldn't recognize it Ratdog68 , the Old Store aint there , the old lodges aint there , its this total transformation , a real nice Museum though now , but the Waterfront aint like it was 25 years ago, oh man it has changed . Not for the better either . And now you have to seriously Trespass to get to Shi Shi , which is BS too . Well , unless your native of course .

Cheers , Jaeger

[Ratdog68]

25 yrs ago ?!? I haven't seen that place in close to 40 yrs ! LOL About all I clearly remember is how bad the water tasted and smelled in the motel we were at. Oh... and maybe the sight of the Cape from the boat while fishin' with dad. I'll have to make my way there some time... just for the adventure of it.