[Gus Dddysgrl]

Why on college campuses do they give girls whistles and not teach them self-defense? Why are college students(girls and guys) not allowed to carry on campus? I know for the majority of the time it's up to the college, and I don't know for sure about my college. However I was wondering the main reasoning behind banning carrying on campus.

Gus

[SodaPop]

However I was wondering the main reasoning behind banning carrying on campus.

Because of liberal college professors.


People that spend too much time in a college atmosphere tend to forget about the real world.

Remember what Pinnochio turned into on Pleasure island?

[Dilettante]

You will find that they do thousands and thousands of meaningless things in order to feel like they're doing something.
As long as it shuts up the parents, student activists, and any trustees or legislators, it's good enough.

BTW most colleges do have some self-defense classes, maybe as a sport or club instead of a class.
Go for it!

[sm]

Hey Gus.
CCW and restrictions anywhere ticks me off. College restrictions tick me off, and this thinking about the female gender being inferior, weaker and such really ticks me off.

1- Liability, everything they say boils down to money, greed or sex. Colleges don't want to lose any monies from funding, get sued, tuition losses.
2- Control, see the talking head that be -were controlled as students themselves, in a psych class they learned a crutch (s) "inner child repressed", "enviroment was bad", "learned behavior". Meaning that when student themselves, they had talking heads that were mean to them so now justified to be mean and manipulative themselves to students.

2a-This is all indoctrination. Gummit gonna take care you, so learn submissive while a student. You'll just lay there and take it when older and the gummit erodes more of your rights and self worth.

3-Whistles are a temp fix, gives false sense of security and a whole lot cheaper than getting a SD class together.

My Theory is one can tell how much liability is a concern to a college and how important false perception to the sheeple a College wants to convey by the number of emergency phones scattered around campus with the flashing blue lights. Just a theory of mine.

Best thumbs to nose I witnessed ( and embarrassed me in process) ,a classmate and I had been to the Health/Nurse office to get info about an upcoming CPR class to be held on campus. In the lobby is a huge fishbowl of condoms, she also gets her "whistle for rape". Couple of Jocks are seen outside, she grabs a handful of condoms, blows the whistle, and waves . Nobody even looked her way. "I want a new whistle, this one is broke, I offered myself to two jocks and nobody even paid me any attention". ;)

Health nurse stood there with whistle in hand , and red as a beet as we left. Yeah, classmate prefers her Glock to a whistle.

[Gus Dddysgrl]

haha great story. Sounds like something I would do. :-) I don't know my school's policy, but plan to carry till told not to. I know the libs want to take my right away, but I sure ain't gonna give up easy. All my papers, projects, if given the liberty, I do on the 2nd amendment.
At my school there is a path between all the party houses and the main campus. It is a commonly taken path especially late at night and the people are usually drunk. They call this path the rape trail. So yeah I don't go to the parties and never walk the rape trail. Course the thing is I'm the one who would be able to defend myself on the rape trail and I am one of the ones who don't walk it. The ones who do walk it are really......stupid.

I can't wait to be able to carry. If I can't carry, I'll leave it in my car. My car is such a piece of junk no one would suspect anything good in it.


Gus

[Leatherneck]

Gus DddysgrlI don't know my school's policy, but plan to carry till told not to. While I admire your intentions, please inform yourself of the consequences if you are "outed", and weigh those against the consequences of not carrying carefully. Most (liberal) academic institutions will not stop at a simple admonishment, IMO. Expulsion and/or whatever legal charges they can fabricate will not help your record at all.

Mind, I'm not saying don't do it; but rather, weigh the consequences. Good luck.

TC
TFL Survivor

[Kharn]

During one of our monthly floor-meetings this year, the RA asked what we could do to be safe (I'm playing sheeple this year, no Oleg Volk works on the wall, no MP5'ed silohette target on the door, etc, as I had a lot of extra scrutiny last year when someone took offense to my posters, so I didnt say anything), and this one girl yells out with glee "Everyone should have a rape whistle!!!!" while proudly holding the one attached to her keychain up in the air for all to see. I had to bite my tongue very, very hard to keep from laughing my butt off at her, especially considering the Mossberg 590A1 that should be arriving at my dealer any day now (its going right in Campus Safety's safe as soon as I pick it up, until I can make a weekend trip home to deposit it with the rest of my guns). Other answers to the question included "Not letting someone in the door behind you" (exterior doors have electronic radio keys, hold your wallet up to the door and it lets you in) and "Avoid the townies when outside, and question any townies that are in the building." (Townies are known for causing massive trouble with UDel students any chance they get, including a group of ~5 sucker-punching and beating one of my friends when he refused them entry to his home during an invitation-only party)

No one on campus knows about the Asp in my backpack, and only a few know about the CRKT folder in my pocket. I think either one of those beat a whole case of 'rape whistles', but thats just my opinion. On the other hand, neither beats the 1911 I wish I could carry...

Kharn

[Gus Dddysgrl]

I'm not actually on campus that often since I commute from home. So carrying on campus won't be for that long of a time. I show up, park my car, go to class, leave and go to work, home, etc. I don't have a lot of run-ins with many people at all. I really don't know that many people on campus, and am rarely there. So being caught is an unlikely chance. However me carrying will be only if it is truely concealed and if dad can't even spot it then it's good. If I have to look nice and can't conceal it, then it will probably be left in my car.

Gus

[WonderNine]

I'm pretty sure that's not the case because I always have mine with me. :uhoh: :p

[digex]

I'm not sure about the laws where you guys live, but I'm a college student in Nebraska. The laws out here are the same as those for regular schools, get caught carrying at ANY school and it's gonna be some serious trouble. Check your local reg's to make sure that your universities aren't covered under the same type of rules.

[Matt G]

Follow your own conscience, but be aware: In TX, college campuses fall under "Places Where Weapons Prohibited." Translation: 3rd Degree Felony if you're caught.

Do understand: I think this bites.

[Sunray]

Well, if anything did happen, you could always sue the school for violating your constitutional rights. Failing to provide for your security after illegally taking said rights away.

[Master Blaster]

KAHRN as a DE resident, with a permit some friendly advice:

I would keep it quiet about the ASP.

ASP concealed in backpack = concealed deadly weapon in DE.

Knife over 4" in pocket also CDW in DE.

[WonderNine]

3rd deegee felony huh?

I guess I pull a Kobe Bryant everyday then...:rolleyes:

Give me a friggin break!

[P95Carry]

Gus .... gotta hand it to ya .. you sure are a plucky gal with attitude ..... a good one. Need more like you around.

Do tho take care ........ even if you do but excercise your rights.

[Master Blaster]

Kahrn

BTW I sympathize I had to keep Quiet for many years myself.

DE didnt used to allow anyone without big time connections to get a CCW.

Newark is getting hairy, and it seems that there is a growing criminal contingent that preys on college students. Police are too busy writting parking tickets.:o

[Kharn]

Police are too busy writting parking tickets.
LMAO, Yeap, you got that right. UD cops have the mentality of 'This university wouldnt exist if I didnt ticket every object sitting on the road.'

Kharn

[ysr_racer]

Because beer and drugs and guns don't mix?

[Gus Dddysgrl]

Parking tickets is something I've been able to avoid for 2 years. I haven't had a permit to park where I do, but I don't get caught. ;)

Never had a beer or any drugs so I wouldn't know if guns and beer or drugs mixed.

Gus

[C.R.Sam]

The brain is the weapon.
Eyes, ears, hands, knives, feet, guns etc are tools of the weapon.

Looks like Gus is off to a good start.

Sam

[The Undertoad]

I think it's because of the massive amounts of alcohol and drugs consumed on a regular basis. :( It's a liability issue... :banghead:

I know plenty of friends who live off campus and have guns, but only one who carries on campus... It is legal to carry on campus here but you could get kicked out of school if you were caught.

From the student handbook (2 years ago, not sure if they've updated since then...)

Self-Defense Items
Mace and other such items are intended for self-defense purposes only. Use in other ways, except by police in the line of duty, would constitute a violation of College Regulations.

Weapons, Firearms, Fireworks, Explosives and Other Combustibles
Weapons, firearms, fireworks and explosives are prohibited on campus...SNIP...Toy, counterfeit, replica, or blank-firing firearms or other weapons are prohibited on campus. Pellet, paint, and bb guns are also prohibited. The College reserves the right to confiscate weapons, firearms, and any instruments, toys, or other things which reasonably appear to be weapons or other prohibited items listed above, and to hold these items for an appropriate disposition.

:scrutiny: So I can at least carry some Fox Labs, better than nothing.

[Standing Wolf]

Colleges are easier to replace than lives.

[kentucky bucky]

When violence happens on campus they try to keep it hush-hush or down play it so it won't reflect bad on the school and hurt their bottom line. hypocrites!!!!!They don't care about violence as much as political correctness. They just want to make sure the violence isn't politically incorrect, such as defending your life with a weapon.

[Phantom Warrior]

3-Whistles are a temp fix, gives false sense of security and a whole lot cheaper than getting a SD class together.

re1973 hit it on the head. Most of what should be said has been said. I'll just agree with C.R. Sam that your brain is your weapon. Develop a defensive mindset, be aware, and supplement with whatever may be legal (gun, knife, ASP, mace). If you are willing to carry where it isn't "legal" that's up to you. You are mentally way ahead of the rest of the pack, regardless.
I would encourage you to consider some type of martial arts/self defense/hand to hand training either way. There will be times when you don't have a weapon, there will be times when you don't have time to grab your weapon. Being prepared for a fight physically helps prevent you from panicking and gives you the train to escape and leave the scene, draw your weapon, whatever. A lot of times, just the fact that the woman is physically resisting may scare of an attacker.
Good luck, whatever you do.

[Moparmike]

Why? Because of retards who ruin it for the rest of us:Professor, Grad-student killed in Murder-Suicide (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/shooting000828.html)

Some jacka$$ whiner got pi$$y when he didnt get his way with the Grad Professor the year I graduated HS. I dont know about any prior efforts about CCW on schools before, but if there was that definitely sealed the deal on it being verboten. That, and Jonesboro.

In AR, its a felony to carry anywhere but the roads on campus. I think that the property is a stretch, but buildings are DEFINITLEY VERBOTEN.

It royally sucks.:cuss: :fire:

[sm]

Gus,please check your pm.

[Mike Irwin]

Hey Gus,

Let me guess, Franklin & Marshall, right?

Have they ever caught the swim coach who was putting the video camera in the women's locker room?

As for not being able to carry guns on campus, it's more a matter of state law.

I can't tell you, though, how many classes I attended while armed. :)

I went to Dickinson in Carlisle.

[sm]

Hell Mike,
MoparMIke that is
won't be long in Fayett'Nam for it to be a felony to shop anywhere but Wally World, Eat anything not made by Tyson, and for heavens sake all goods must be trucked by JBT...I won't even start on his self appointed "gawd" of pigskin with his new stadium.

Do Not breathe too deep whilst walking the Brickyard...A brain is a terrrible thing to have scrambled...

[Gus Dddysgrl]

Mike Irwin- not quite. Remember I am paying my way through college. There's no way I could afford that place. Besides they are too rich and way too liberal for me. I mean come on their mascot is a Diplomat!?!?!? We call them Dips for short. ;)

(6 more days to go apply for my CCW permit!!!! :D )

Gus

[nomadboi]

I spent a lot of time on the University of Maryland campus while in High School nearby, and they even went so far as to ban pepper sprays back in the mid 90s. I still carried a knife often... but that was before I'd really had any training with it. Now that I have, I usually don't. Well, aside from my Leatherman, anyway. Easier to just use what's around me, from a legal sense and in terms of convenience- not having to disarm every time I go into a federal building or school, etc.

The one that pisses me off is the ban on even replicas- there are public schools out there that can't even bring in fake swords for their theatre departments. If they want to do Shakespeare, they're miming swords with their fingers.

Yeah, I got a finger for ya right here, buddy.

I have to say, though- given the recent riots on Frat row here in Seattle, I'm glad that not everybody is packing. This was off campus, so I don't think they're under any University jurisdiction anyway, but chances are good a couple of police and a couple bystanders would be much worse for the wear if some of those drunken idiots had been armed- as well as the offenders themselves. Turning over a police car and yelling at cops will get you jail. Pulling a gun in the middle of a situation like that will get you shot.

[Moparmike]

1973, tell me about it. I do wonder how JBHunt would be legislated out though.:confused: The smoking ban petitions-to-send-to-referendum have been tossed out, and it seems to seal the deal on where this town is going in a hurry. Good ole' People's Republik of Fayettenam.

Brickyard?:confused: