Benelli Super vs. Benelli Vinci


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presidente006
April 30, 2009, 01:42 PM
Ok. So Im not sure how many people have heard of Benelli's newest shotgun, the "Vinci". Ive shot and hunted with Benelli's "Super Black Eagle II" shotgun and I think that theres nothing better. I am definitely hooked and consider myself spoiled now. The problem is that the Benelli wasnt mine. I borrowed it from a friend of mine who was hunting with me.

I decided that I was going to buy one but just recently, Benelli came out with the Vinci. From their website, the only thing that Ive noticed that is truly different is the felt recoil, which Benelli claims to reduce it by 72% compared to the Super's 49% (I believe that was the accurate percentage).

My question is, does anyone else know if there are any other differences between the two? Or is it just basically the same thing but with less recoil (which is great) and a different name?

Any comments are very much appreciated. Thanks


-The Pres-

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sbarkowski
April 30, 2009, 05:19 PM
With the Vinci being as new to the market as it is, you probablly know just as much about it as anyone else here. From what I hear most people arn't rushing out to pick one up. Could be the reason for the lack of responses here.

ArmedBear
April 30, 2009, 05:26 PM
I am about as far from a Benelli fanboy as you can get.

I don't own one; I don't plan to buy one. I don't even like semiauto shotguns much.

However, I've shot them and I have known owners. Benellis have always lived up to their hype, as bird guns. They're ergonomic, well-balanced, nicely-weighted, easy-to-shoot, slow to foul, and very reliable for high-volume shooting.

They might be ugly, overpriced and overhyped by their own PR department, but I have never known an owner who didn't like his gun. And I haven't shot one that didn't have great handling.

If not for the fact that, when I go to the store I'm FAR more attracted to guns with two barrels, I'd buy a Benelli without hesitation.

Wildyams
May 2, 2009, 04:56 AM
One big difference about it is the trigger assembly and forend are all one "module" i think was the word they used to describe it. stripping it down and putting it back together is much quicker and easier then the SBEII, I've put together a couple of the SBEII's and they take a little while. As of right now, I would recommend the SBEII, just because the Vinci is brand new, and I would want to give them atleast a year to work out the little kinks in it..

Virginian
May 2, 2009, 05:46 AM
I believe the Vinci has taken UGLY to a whole new order of magnitude. The SBE II still looked way more than a little bit like a shotgun.

earlthegoat2
May 2, 2009, 02:34 PM
Benelli has always claimed their guns have less felt recoil. This is simply not true. It is so not true that Benelli themselves admitted to it outright by designing the ComforTech stock and installing it on their guns from the factory.

In short, I would never believe the Vinci is any softer shooting than the SBE. They probably did the test with 2 3/4 inch shells in the Vinci and 3 1/2 turkey loads in the SBE. And as a side note, the Vinci cannot take 3 1/2s.

MAKster
May 2, 2009, 07:58 PM
When Benelli makes claims like our model X has 40 percent less recoil than the competition, they are not comparing it to other semi autos like gas operated guns. They are comparing it to other recoil operated shotguns that don't have the fancy recoil pad.

sbarkowski
May 2, 2009, 10:46 PM
Is that fact or speculation?
Shooting USA did a comparison test. Might be worth a look at.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCj0PCGGxtA
The recoil part starts at 4:17 into the video.
Everyone feels recoil different. The recoil from my Supernova isnt any harsher than my 870, but it is more abrupt. Mainly due to the fact that its lighter than the 870. I've personally found the comfortech doesnt do much untill you start shooting heavy 3" - 3.5" loads. With anything in the 2.75" I think you'd be hard pressed to notice a difference between the two guns.

MAKster
May 3, 2009, 07:36 PM
Any difference in felt recoil between a pump action Remington 870 v. Mossberg 500 v. Supernova is caused by the weight of the shotgun and the butt pad since the bolt is locked when the gun is fired. Same with double barrels. It's a fact that if you compare a gas operated semiauto and a inertia/recoil operated gun that weigh the same and have the same butt pad, the gas operated gun will have less recoil. Benelli is just using standard marketing gimmicks to take a weakness in their product and try to turn it around into a positive. All of the recoil reduction they claim is because of the butt pad.

sbarkowski
May 3, 2009, 09:53 PM
Well marketing or not and regardless of the source of the recoil reduction does it or doesnt it have less recoil than competitors? Thats the bottom line isnt it?

ArmedBear
May 3, 2009, 09:56 PM
The fancy-plastic-buttstock models I've shot feel good to shoot.

Like I said, I don't own one and have no plans to buy one. I think most of them are fugly. But they balance well and feel great to shoot.

sbarkowski
May 3, 2009, 10:06 PM
I was hoping the Vinci would have been better looking, but IMO they failed again. I was expecting something a bit more elegant. Hopefully it shoots well enough to take your focus away from its appearance. Thats really the only reason I like my supernova, handles and functions better than it looks.

gunsandreligion
May 4, 2009, 09:50 PM
If not for the fact that, when I go to the store I'm FAR more attracted to guns with two barrels, I'd buy a Benelli without hesitationsame for me though I'v been eye'ing the montefeltro.

VA27
May 4, 2009, 11:45 PM
I took one look at the Vinci and thought to myself, "That's what a shotgun would look like on the Planet of the Apes."

throdgrain
May 5, 2009, 03:56 AM
I've got a Benelli M2, which is a great gun. Its pretty good looking too. But the Vinci takes ugly to a new level :barf:

I really don't like the angular style of trigger guard on most of the Benellis (its not on the M2), but Benelli seem to have expanded on that concept with the Vinci.

Having said that, they must be doing something right, anyone notice what the new Remington resembles?

M2

http://www.benelliusa.com/assets/silos/small_jpg_grey/silo_502_m2_12_syn_ct_field.jpg

Vinci

http://www.benelliusa.com/assets/silos/small_jpg_grey/silo_502_vinci_12_syn_ct_field.jpg

New Remington

http://www.remington.com/images/products/firearms/shotgun/887_blk_410.jpg

http://www.remington.com/images/products/firearms/shotgun/887_ban_1.jpg

Are we all sure the 870 doesn't look better than any of them ? :)

Sergeant Sabre
May 7, 2009, 10:48 PM
Having said that, they must be doing something right, anyone notice what the new Remington resembles?

Yes. A piece of crap. Just like the Benelli.

VA27
May 8, 2009, 12:03 AM
Yeah, but it's made in America crap!

throdgrain
May 8, 2009, 03:05 AM
The 870 looks better than any of them, would have to agree.

http://throdgrain.googlepages.com/IMG_0022.jpg/IMG_0022-custom;size:1024,768.jpg

presidente006
May 10, 2009, 10:51 AM
Well Gents. I appreciate everyone's input. I guess I really only have two options...

Wait and see till user feedback starts to trickle in. OR, get one myself and post my own opinions and experiences.

I have to say, the main thing I got from this is that many people think that it (the Vinci) and the SBE II are ugly shotties. My hunting buddy (who was the one that introduced me to the SBE II) said the statement of the year. He said, "Vic, when it comes to Benellis, there are only two types of people. Those who love 'em, and those who hate em".

I appreciate everyone's input. Personally, I had a great experience with the SBE II. I wasnt so much focused on its looks as I was on how easy it was to handle, little recoil and ease of acquiring target. We had gone hunting in central Florida for mallard on the last day of open season. I had a great time out there just because I WAS hunting. But I have to admit, using the SBE II has me spoiled now and Im considering sticking to that for a while. But the Vinci came around and I couldnt help getting curious.

Again guys, thanks alot for the comments and opinions. If anything else comes up, by all means, post it. Im sure others are curious as well.

kcmarine
May 16, 2009, 04:22 PM
I'm interested in the Vinci as well, though I have no intention of buying one. I have a Montefeltro myself, and yes, it does kick harder than other 20 gauge shotguns. Then again, it's also lighter and is just about the easiest gun on the planet to clean. They do have a bit of a hyperbolic marketing department, but as far as performance goes, you're not going to be disappointed with a Benelli. The fit and finish on a Benelli shotgun is very nice. And unlike a lot of gunmakers, when they come up with some new way of making a gun operate or some new feature on making life easier while the gun is in your hands, that feature works. Benelli is basically what Remington was 50 years ago: the arms maker that came out with more modern models than what everyone was used to.

They're also smart about who they're marketing their product to. They know they aren't going to convert 67 year old John Q. Smith, who is retired from the Army, and carried a 870 with him in Vietnam to keep him and his buddies alive. He's sticking with that gun for life, no matter what, because he bet his life on its performance, and it delivered. They're aiming for the 30 year old guy, who works in IT at his company and goes duck hunting on the weekends with his buddies. Or the guy who wants something for his house that's more "modern" (if over 45, you will read that word in quotes as tacticool) and looks like what he sees a soldier carrying on TV. The guy who comes back from Iraq probably wouldn't mind a Benelli, either, for the same reason as the Vietnam vet wanting a Remington.

It's preference and budget, really. You're not gonna be swindled either way. If you want a shotgun that will last forever and get the older guys at the trap to get sentimental on you about the times they had shooting that gun, get a Remington, Browning, Winchester, Mossberg, etc.

If you want the shotgun that will last forever and get the older guys to look at you weird while all of the young guys fawn over what just came out of your gun case, get a Benelli.

*Gets down from soapbox, walks down the sidewalk*

Border
May 21, 2009, 01:05 AM
Great ergonomics, butt ugly. I have no interest in owning one. Aesthetics matter to me in some things.

clarkevs
May 13, 2010, 05:03 PM
I orginally hunted with a Browning Auto 5 - extremely dependable but it kicked hard and you noticed it if you ran a high number of shells through it during a hunt. When the gas operated guns became more and more popular I purchased a Beretta 303 - kick reduced significantly but dependability also reduced unless you kept the gas system extrememly clean. I then went to the Benelli M-2 and liked the feel and dependability without much difference between the kick of either. Then the Super Black I came out - same dependability as the M-2 but with capability of 3 1/2" shell without added recoil (added knock-down on geese). Then the Super Black II came out - I have one of those and feel the recoil between it and the M-2 has greatly been reduced. I purchased the Vinci but unfortunately was unable to use this past hunting season but talked with fellows at skeet / trap club who have used them a lot. They all said fine gun and the recoil is reduced from the Super Black II - wether it is because of the pad or action the main thing is that the recoil is reduced so you can get back on target quicker than when using a gun with more recoil. I feel the Benelli's are just as dependable as the old Browning Auto 5 and to me that is saying something. I hunt doves in Mexico, geese in Canada, and ducks/doves in Louisiana. My guns have to be dependable and stand up to mud, sand, & water - both fresh and salt in the environments I use them or the hunting :):)experience is greatly deminished. Really did not know you had mallards in central FL.

chaser_2332
May 13, 2010, 10:23 PM
sbe II = 2 3/4 -3 1/2" shells .....................nuff said better gun

f4t9r
May 13, 2010, 10:33 PM
I had a great experience with the SBE II.

There is your answer, Don't fix it if its not broke.

UKShooter
May 14, 2010, 10:50 AM
I actually like the look of the Supernova :D It is a very solid and reliable gun as well.

Heres mine - with extended mag tube:

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/pbickerd/benelli1.jpg

chas08
May 14, 2010, 11:52 AM
I am about as far from a Benelli fanboy as you can get.

I believe the Vinci has taken UGLY to a whole new order of magnitude
I agree with both above quotes.
I once owned a benelli sbe1 that failed me twice in the field over a seven year period. Their motto should be "Performance NOT Worth the Price" I'll never own one of their guns again!!!!! But if I were forced to own one. I'd go with the sbe, it's easier on the eyes.

cat9x
May 14, 2010, 12:30 PM
An opinion from someone who actually owns one, the Vinci is a fine shotgun. My father dove hunts with a Benelli M2 and we both agree that the Vinci may look less appetizing to the eye, but is far more comfortable in the hand. I would say felt recoil between the two is equal and that's taking into account the Vinci is lighter.

Neither shotguns have had any malfunctions.

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