October 14, 2003, 03:32 PM
I am looking for opinions on a good powder for 38 super loads for accuracy and clean burning. This is for target use. The gun is a colt commander with a Barsto barrel.
I load both 125 gr JSP and 147 gr STHP. I have tried Win231, Unique, Universal Clays and Bullseye. I'm still searching.
October 14, 2003, 04:20 PM
I've a friend who uses, I believe, AA No. 5 with good results.
October 14, 2003, 04:45 PM
Many of the steel plate shooters I know around here swear by Winchester 540, but I don't think it is available anymore. Some bought large amounts and are still using it. I have a few pounds myself but have yet to use it although I plan to build a 38 super in the near future.
October 14, 2003, 04:52 PM
I seems that one can't edits one's own post here. So an addendum to the above post.
If you search around you may find some Win. 540, but you may pay more for it.
October 14, 2003, 09:11 PM
According to Hodgdon, HS-6 IS Win 540.
I am using it in 9mm P.
Also HS-7 = 571
But I still go by Hodgdon data.
October 15, 2003, 06:05 AM
WAP, Ramshot Silhouette, Vihta 3N37 and N350, Alliant Power Pistol.
October 15, 2003, 10:20 AM
To go fast (major power factor) I like Vhit N350 or 3N38.
For mild loads (plinking and steel power factor) I like N320 and clays.
I use a lot of Herco, but its not as clean as the Vhit or clays. The softest out there is N310 and a 147 JHP.
October 17, 2003, 03:30 PM
Clays Universal and Winchester SuperField will give best results.
Win231 too, is very good for the load profile you're looking for.
For minimun load start with 9mm minimum loads, but expect failure to eject and/or lock slide back until mid-9mm loads are reached.
What you seem to be looking for is something to use in NRA PPC semi-auto matches. Myself and a fellow competitor used the .38 Super with excellent results several years ago, but in 1998 I switched over to S&W P-C guns in 9mm. He still continues to use the .38 Super (He shoots for S/A team)
I had excellent results with 5.0gr of Win231 and 115gr .355" bullets in S/A 1911. (same load I used to use with 9mm too)
Also good is 5.5gr of either WSF or Clays-Universal. Velocity is 9mm-ish at approx. 1,150fps.
These are mid-range loads for .38-Su and are very accurate with reliable function. I would suggest trying Hod. Titegroup if looking for even greater economy, suggest 4.8gr with 115gr JHP's for top accuracy.
Most mid range 9mm loads (powder charges that is, of course) will work in the .38 Super, just remember to seat bullets to ~ 1.220" oal with firm neck tension and light taper crimp.
For 124gr bullet, 4.9 Superfield and 4.7-4.8 Universal worked very well, but cost of bullets offset economy of reduced powder. Could not see any improvement in accuracy over 115gr from 125-5 or 147's.
I used same load in .38 Super with 147 that I use with 9mm, 4.6gr of WinSuperfield. It's above what most manuals list as max for 9mm but is what 2 commercial loaders have told me they use for their NEW ammo.
Velocity is ~990fps. Seat to 1.225" in .38 Super
BlueDot and HS6 and HS7 gave some thrilling high velocity loads, but for everyday general use, the above loads will prove best for .38 Super; unless of course you're loading for IPSC powerfactor. Never played that game so I can't make recommendations.