CorBon Barnes .44 Special?


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doc540
May 2, 2009, 08:32 PM
Anyone shooting or carrying these in your .44 Special?

The might be my PD carry choice.

What say you?

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hardluk1
May 2, 2009, 08:51 PM
For carry? You must have a charter arms or like heavy revolvers. But to the question, cor-bon dpx ammo is the best. Like the mag version as i don't shoot the sp loads. but the x bullet is very hard to out perform. Where to by,hehehe good luck . Might as well order some from a local gun shop or someone local that sells corbon already.

doc540
May 2, 2009, 08:53 PM
yep....my car gun now

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/Charter%20Arms/CharterBulldog011-1.jpg

calaverasslim
May 3, 2009, 08:53 AM
+1 with doc. I have the 3" Charter Arms Bulldog and shoot the 246gr RN for fun but carry the Silvertip or GDHP for PD.

Fits the old S&W J frame holster to a T

ArmedBear
May 3, 2009, 08:55 AM
I carry those in a .38 Special, but haven't had the occasion to use them.

Oro
May 3, 2009, 09:30 AM
My only concern with them is the cost vs. performance. Both are high, and I don't think the performance edge justifies the cost. Basically Corbon is marketing a super-premium niche ammunition and what the added cost is for is that you are buying the exotic, all-copper, low-density Barnes Bullet pre-loaded instead of as component. Nothing really special about the case, powder, etc. that Corbon brings to the table, Corbon just loads the Barnes bullet and then markets it.

These cartridges run double to 2.5x the cost of other comparable similar HP ammunition, like the Hornady XTP or Gold Dot. And I don't see any evidence it outperforms them. The newer generation of bonded-core lead/copper ammo have really solved the separation issue to a large degree. This negates the only really compelling thing that the expensive barnes design had going for it. The solid copper projectile could justify its hunting use when other jacketed ammo would come apart at rifle velocities. But in much slower handgun applications, the other conventional products work just as well for all intents and purposes.

To me, my choice is to buy twice as much Hornady or Speer ammo and practice more. But I don't think you are making a "bad" choice if that is what you want because you are a big Barnes or Corbon fan for some reason - I think a 200gr. HP .44 special going 950 to 1050 is an ideal sd round in many situations and what I sometimes carry (just a different brand/loading) in my .44. The product is good and should work great - as well as anything on the market - but my yankee dollar sees better value elsewhere.

ArmedBear
May 3, 2009, 10:33 AM
Why in bloody hell would you practice with Hornady, Speer, CorBon or any other expensive defensive ammo?!?

I understand the principle of practicing with a high-recoil load if you're going to use a high-recoil load for self-defense (although I do not personally buy into the idea that ALL your shooting needs to be done with the hottest load you will ever shoot).

However, paper doesn't know the difference between Barnes and cast lead.

WRT Barnes, if you want to believe that jacketed lead bullets can work the same as all-copper bullets, maybe you're right. But with the Barnes bullets, there's no belief about it. They're well-proven, and there's nothing really special needed to make them work, since they're just a shaped piece of copper.

I don't use all Barnes bullets, and I'd choose hardcast LSWCs over any hollowpoint designs for some applications.

However, I can't see any reason NOT to buy a box of Barnes/CorBon rounds.

Also, the brass on mine is not "regular old brass." It's Cor-Bon marked, nickel-plated, with sealed primers. I have some older Cor-Bon SD ammo, and you're right, there's nothing special about it. But the DPX stuff I bought recently is not just run-of-the mill ammo.

Do these differences make a difference? Who knows. I've never had a misfire with my handloads with used brass and no upscale components. But if that's your complaint about Cor-Bon, it's no longer valid.

Why did I get the box of DPX .38s? I just wanted something that had good performance from a snubbie, and Cor-Bon does specialize in that. I sure as hell wouldn't use it for practice, though.

Oro
May 4, 2009, 12:36 AM
Why in bloody hell would you practice with Hornady, Speer, CorBon or any other expensive defensive ammo?!?

ArmedBear - a little relaxation maybe be in order for your weekend evening! Slow down just a bit.

Th reason to practice once in a while with your carry ammo is because it's foolish to not test the your carry ammo and now how it feels to empty a cylinder. I load my own ammo, and I will load my own XTP if I want to, but 90% of the time shoot LSWC. Some people don't reload, and some people like to shoot their carry ammo often. These are all valid practices different people use. So it's not worth condemning someone because their patterns are different than yours.

I've never had a misfire with my handloads with used brass and no upscale components. But if that's your complaint about Cor-Bon, it's no longer valid.

I didn't see a logical connection there. My comment, and it wasn't a complaint, was just the observation that it's twice as expensive, not that it's unreliable. I didn't see anything in my post about CorBon being unreliable, or anyone else saying that.

However, I can't see any reason NOT to buy a box of Barnes/CorBon rounds.

Well, at twice the cost, it that does offer one reason to some people - because they are price sensitive. Really, my comments were addressed to the OP as some thinking points, you seem to have taken them personally for some reason...

hardluk1
May 6, 2009, 11:56 AM
Oro ,if you load buy the bullets and load. If you don't buy the loaded rounds not your decision here . You can buy the X bullet in several companies ammo line up. I think hornady still loads it and winchester or federal and pmc did at one time but shop around. Do you practice alot with any pistol with the primary ammo that you would carry for life or death? I don't know anyone that does. Most will shoot something cheap and then fire a few rounds of good stuff to be sure you and your gun and ammo get along and thats it. My carry guns get about 200 rounds a year through them. My play guns get shot alot more, all get about a box of premium a year. I am one that for carry, will not load ammo. ORR, till you have hunted with a X bullet you really show you know nothing about it's design or what it will do under both higher energy or lower energy levels compaired to most all the market bullets. I hunted with a hand gun and do know the difference in damage to tissue under different conditions and have seen gold dots not do the best of jobs at times. It is a good bullet but if your life deppends on a single bullet then the x is one of the very few that will get the job done. There are also some new bullets out that may very well be just as good but guess what,,,, Expensive too.Only problem with most any premium bullet is overpenetration, as with a 44 mag or 357 mag over there standard counterparts. And it could still happen.I also don't shoot only barnes X but some different types for different types of hunting. But i do have some X ammo it in all calibers for all guns i own along with some ballistic tips and sst's in my rifles.

ArmedBear
May 6, 2009, 12:08 PM
I didn't see a logical connection there. My comment, and it wasn't a complaint, was just the observation that it's twice as expensive, not that it's unreliable. I didn't see anything in my post about CorBon being unreliable, or anyone else saying that.

You misunderstand me. I wasn't really all worked up.:)

I was responding to what you said, that Cor-Bon sells generic ammo loaded with a particular bullet. I was confirming that what you wrote was true, but that the new Cor-Bon with the DPX bullet now uses higher-end components.

I just commented as an aside, that I'm not sure it's worth spending extra money for nickel-plated brass, fancy primers, etc., but you do get those things with the new Cor-Bon stuff.

So it's not worth condemning someone because their patterns are different than yours.

Didn't mean that as a condemnation, just that I think that the price of all such high-end defensive ammo is high, and that it makes no sense to throw fancy, expensive bullets, Barnes, Hornady, Nosler, whatever, at paper for practice. I don't condemn people for their arguments, anyway. Disagreement is not condemnation. Are you sure I'm the one who has to chill?:)

It makes more sense to find or load a similar load for practice -- which is what both you and I do, and to buy the defensive load you think is the best choice, regardless of price. One's life is worth a buck-fifty a shot, even if plinking isn't.

If you think the Barnes bullets are not the best choice, then that's a damn good reason not to buy them.

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