[WAGCEVP]

Watch for this coming to a state near you.....

Whaddayathink?

> Our opponents at Million Mom March and Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence
have a new tactic that they tried last year. It will be their big push at the
state level this year, so we can expect to see it here in Utah.
>
> Soon.
>
> They are trying to use "domestic-violence prevention" as the excuse to pass
laws to require judges and law-enforcement officers to remove guns already
owned by people who become subject to a restraining order, and also want to
force gun-show sales through a Federal Firearms Licensee to detect
restraining-order subjects and prevent them from buying guns.
>
> A load of crap to be sure. They just want to get everyone's guns, and this is
a sympathetic-sounding "reasonable" step.
>
> ...and it has a very scary section describing how they want to use any
purchase or licensing information for confiscation (Take guns away from people
who are subject to a restraining order now, the rest of us later, although they
do not say that.).
> ___
>
> Oct. 10, 2003
>
> Million Mom March
>
> MMM Releases Important Brief, "Disarming Domestic Violence Abusers"
>
> As the nation is observing National Domestic Violence Prevention Month this
October, the Million Mom March united with the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun
Violence (MMM/BC) has just released an important briefing paper entitled,
"Disarming Domestic Violence Abusers, Closing State Legislative Loopholes and
Stopping Abusers from Purchasing and Possessing Firearms...."
>
> [More]
http://enews.millionmommarch.org/plugin.jtml?siteID=MMM&p=1&Tab=News&Object_ID=5\
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[Bruce in West Oz]

This is already law here in Australia.

Australia's Olympic shotgun gold medallist Michael Diamond just this week lost his licence and his firearms (and his chance to compete at the Athens Olympics) for slapping his girlfriend.

While I have no brief at all for women-beaters, the AVO can and has been used to "punish" gun-owners here. The accused is considered guilty until he proves otherwise -- and even if the order is lifted his licence and/or firearms will not be returned as a matter of course -- he will have to apply to get them back, or even go to court to have them returned.

[Standing Wolf]

The accused is considered guilty until he proves otherwise...

That's been perfectly legitimate French law for centuries.

[El Tejon]

Remember you can lose it all with those three little words--"He hit me."

[answerguy]

Do we have to put up with a certain amount of violent men abusing their wives? Some even going as far as murdering them rather than go through a divorce. What is the answer?

[El Tejon]

answer, due process rather than presumptions!

[Silver Bullet]

The problem I see with these kinds of proposals is, once they'r made law, the definition of the crime changes. For example, soon yelling would be considered domestic abuse, then just raising your voice, then not speaking to your partner for a day, then not kowtowing 24/7.

[TheeBadOne]

I think quite a few states are already like mine. If you've ever been convicted of a crime of violence that would fit under the current domestic abuse law it forbids you from possessing firearms. I consider it an Ex post facto law in that you could have been convicted 30 years ago and now since that law was passed you are still penalized under it. :banghead: :fire: :barf:

[noklue3]

This has been the law - Federal, not state - since 1986. Read the ATF website:

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/domestic/index.htm

Art

[answerguy]

So is there anything new we can try to end domestic violence?

[Carlos]

How about automatic jail time? By the way, the link is bad.

[Yanus]

Yep...
My grandfather was a Klansman in Arkansas back in the 20's. The only incident he ever spoke of was a domestic violence incident. It seems that
this guy, who was white, liked to get drunk and beat his wife. The local Klavern heard about it and decided to do something about it. Late one
night after his usual wife beating episode, the "night riders' dragged him out of his house and horse whipped him to whithin an inch of his life.
Seems he led a sober life from then on ............. In any event, he never beat his wife again...........

Moral: While I don't condone the Klan as a rule, a little vigillanty justice sometimes is called for.

Yanus

[WAGCEVP]

So is there anything new we can try to end domestic violence?

yeah, arm your wife............


:evil: :neener:

[feedthehogs]

Domestic violence along with other types of violence are domestic health issues.

Hardly ever do you see any type of agency trying to address this issue.

They always go after the "tools" of the violent person.

Society doesn't want to admit there is a real mental health problem in this country.

Until they do, all the laws and regulations will not prevent the graveyards from filling up with victims.

[James Bondrock]

I am always highly suspicious of anything the MMMMMM (Millions of Misguided, Misinformed and Manipulated Marching Moms) says. This latest is just plain stupid. This has already been the law for many years!