Sub MOA LRB M25 at 1000 yards


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lipadj46
May 5, 2009, 12:51 AM
So it seems lately people have knocking the accuracy potential and the "relativeness" of the M14 in modern combat. So I read this and thought I would share this for those who do not regularly visit the M14 boards

Different posted one of his regular updates from his chats with Ron Smith and this caught my eye even though I have read it before I believe on the SEI website:

See photo below from my website. I saw this rifle at the 2008 SHOT Show before it was sent to Fort Benning. Other than the LRB Arms M14SA receiver (serial number under 2000), it was built to M21A5 specifications. It was tested in March 2008 at Fort Benning, GA. I've read the test results. It grouped under 1 MOA (under 10 ") at 1000 yards using M118LR ammunition. There was some other ammunition that was tested in the same rifle that shrunk the groups even further but I don't know if I'm at liberty to state that information. The source that provided these range results was the U. S. Army Director of Combat Development.

I do not believe SEI epoxy beds their rifles either which is impressive. When you compare the cost of these refurbished rifles and their performance compares to the M110 they really start to make sense especially since SEI is pushing to make USGI quality replacement parts as the USGI parts disappear. I'm not saying we should stop buying the M110 and start making M14s again but if they can be as effective as the M110 we might as well use them.

For those that do not know Different, here is his website:

http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/welcome.html

I would suggest if you are an M14 fan to read his book he wrote on it's development. It is the most comprehensive source available and he has it linked for a free download I believe these days.

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H2O MAN
May 5, 2009, 08:04 AM
People have been knocking the M14 for years...

Go to SEI's homepage (http://www.smithenterprise.com/index.html) and click on this picture in the LATEST NEWS:
section for more information on the awesome M21A5/Crazy Horse rifles.

http://www.smithenterprise.com/images02/ft_irwin02.jpg


Last year I had Ron Smith build two M21A5 Crazy Horse rifles for me, one is in a SAGE EBR stock.

http://www.athenswater.com/images/H2O-M14-2.jpg

Retro
May 5, 2009, 03:44 PM
Good post, man. I am still working on my M1A Supermatch with Krieger heavy weight barrel/JAE stock for it to shoot subMOA at 100 yards...

Right now, I am stuck at 1.5 MOA with Federal match, with occasional 2.5 MOA fliers every 5th round. I am switching my scope this Friday from a 9x Niko to a Super Sniper 20x42mm, and hopefully I will achieve subMOA at 100 yards. I think the barrel still needs more breaking in. R

Retro
May 5, 2009, 03:54 PM
Good post, man. I am still working on my M1A Supermatch with Krieger heavy weight barrel/JAE stock for it to shoot subMOA at 100 yards...

Right now, I am stuck at 1.5 MOA with Federal match, with occasional 2.5 MOA fliers every 5th round. I am switching my scope this Friday from a 9x Niko to a Super Sniper 20x42mm, and hopefully I will achieve subMOA at 100 yards. I think the barrel still needs more breaking in. R

30Cal
May 6, 2009, 01:24 PM
A match barrel shouldn't need any breaking in.

What scope mount are you using and how does it shoot with iron sights? Also, it may shoot better if you go prone with a sling.

ripcurlksm
May 6, 2009, 08:14 PM
I am still working on my M1A Supermatch with Krieger heavy weight barrel/JAE stock for it to shoot subMOA at 100 yards...

seriously? I just shot two 3/4" 3-shot groups with my stock M1A Scout @ 100 yards this past weekend out of a lead sled and iron sights

Big Daddy Grim
May 6, 2009, 08:18 PM
Good M1 is hard to beat

jbech123
May 6, 2009, 08:19 PM
I am switching my scope this Friday from a 9x Niko to a Super Sniper 20x42mm, and hopefully I will achieve subMOA at 100 yards
9x is more than enough at 100 yards to achieve moa(or even 1/2 moa). Unless there is something actually wrong with the nikon or its mounting, upping to more magnification will not be the answer to your accuracy issues.

Gunnerpalace
May 6, 2009, 08:49 PM
In before the haters

I might get one of those rifles. :D

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