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Deltaboy
May 10, 2009, 11:54 PM
Any of you use a cane ? I have one made with an 1 1/2 Hickory stick 28 inchs long with a brass head from a old Mule Harness. I ordered a cold steel manmade Blackthorn stick for dresswear. I was hurt in a car wreak 3 years ago and when I get tired I still limp a bit. So I keep on near by if I am going very far from the house along with my MAK in 9X18 cause I don't run anymore.

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JShirley
May 11, 2009, 12:06 AM
I've been carrying a 1x48" phenolic rod when I walk.

hso
May 11, 2009, 12:28 AM
Deltaboy,

You'll find several of us are fond of canes.

bikerdoc
May 11, 2009, 06:37 AM
Deltaboy,
Cane making has become a nice hobby since my injury, I use oak, maple, poplar, crepe myrtle, even fig wood once. got some hickory, ash and ironwood drying.
Ties in nicely with my passion for knives and sharpening.
For heads I have used hand fitted T.s, balls, and natural curves and angles.
Sometimes a lanyard or paracord wrap are added.
A little sanding, then some stain and poly = finished product.
Thanks for the idea to use harness brass!
Search canes for some pics by me others. There are also some awesome web sites listed by others to buy good canes very inexpesively.
Have fun with it.
Doc

glistam
May 11, 2009, 09:59 AM
Ah, the last universally legal weapon left (eh, almost). Plane, courthouse, federal building, it can go anywhere. And you don't even need to be disabled.

"Sir, do you have a medical need for that?"
"I might, but it's none you're ----ing business (http://www.ada.gov/)."

Here's what I carry:
http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq157/glistam/MaceStick.jpg

Nothing hidden here: The head is what you see, solid brass. While it's marketed as a "mace" cane, most people I talk to think it's a recycled clock gear or a "star."

geologist
May 11, 2009, 10:53 AM
I have one of these Canemasters made of hickory heart. I have to learn how to fake a limp now.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/pbgeologist/caneichf.jpg

bikerdoc
May 11, 2009, 11:55 AM
one of many favorites

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg134/bikerdoc1948/finished001-1.jpg

Todd A
May 11, 2009, 12:22 PM
This is what I'll be picking up for myself shortly. After I shop around some more.

Work and father time is tearing up my (long ago )repaired knee pretty quickly these days. I can't make it through a shift without my support brace,and walks with my better half have become bothersome.

http://www.fashionablecanes.com/5095.html

AirForceShooter
May 11, 2009, 12:33 PM
I keep one in the car.
Some days I just hurt.

It cost me $2 at the flea market

AFS

Carl Levitian
May 11, 2009, 02:19 PM
I love canes/walking sticks.

Good self defense in an innocent looking package. Man's oldest weapon.

I have a small but nice collection of Irish blackthorns, self made hornbeams, and some oak and maple sticks.

I like to hunt around the woods with a small garden trowl and hatchet, and dig arund the root of hornbeams. When I find one with a rrot knob going off in a 45 to 90 degree angle, I'll dig it up and hack it free. After abut 8 months to a year down the basement, I'll shape and sand the root knob to a nice rustic handle. Generaly I leave the bark on, like the Brits and Irish do with the blackthorn. Hornbeam has a very thick hard bark, and I think it's better left on. I rub it down with 0000 steel wool, and give it a nice stain and seal it with Helmsman Spar Urathane, satin no glare finish. Put a rubber chair/table end on it from Lowes, and it's good to go.

I like that I can take any of my sticks anywhere I go, as mentiond by glistam.

I like to keep it simple and rustic, with no metal hardware on the stick. I never drill a hole in it for a lanyard, just take some nylon cord and wrap tightly and Make a loop to hang it from the wrist as I'm paying for something at a registar.

Fred Fuller
May 11, 2009, 07:12 PM
a brass head from a old Mule Harness

AKA a hame knob. A certain number of folks like them for walking stick tops. Several places that sell stuff for making hiking staffs, walking sticks and canes offer them for sale.

lpl

Geno
May 11, 2009, 08:42 PM
I call them "Healing Limbs" walking sticks. I began to make them years ago as a form of physical therapy. These are 100% handcrafted, using only a Leatherman tool, then burned with a burning tool. The finish is hand-rubbed olive oil.

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NobleSniper
May 11, 2009, 09:12 PM
SOme neat looking canes ;)

Deltaboy
May 12, 2009, 10:05 PM
I found the mule harness head in a junk store for $5.00 back about 17 years ago. Since I didnot have a CCL I got a broken hickory hoe handle that belonged to my Greatgrand Father , I cut it to length stained it Black Walnut and finshed it with 8 hand sanded coats of Sterling Spar Marine Varnish. I shaped the end and attached the head with #12 3/4 inch Brass Screws. I have beat back 2 large dogs over the years. Since I built it. Like most of you I can carry it into the all sorts of Post 9/11 secured areas with no questions asked.

I will have to take a pic and post it.


BikerDoc The Mule and Plow harness's have a nice gentle curve for the wood to fit into. They are nice and heavy mine is little over a 1/2 pound.

Julian1066
May 17, 2009, 10:41 AM
I just picked up a brand new Cane Master cane on ebay for $40. It's very stout and heavy (oak), has grips milled into the top near the crook, and has a beveled piece at the end of the crook. A formidable weapon and I'm beginning to learn how to use it. Going to look into a blackthorn as well; I used to have one and eventually wore it out. A cane's a wonderful EDC weapon that, as everyone seems to have mentioned, is not outlawed anywhere.

Oh hi, by the way. My name's Julian and I'm a noobie. Vietnam vet, recently retired, and a lover of cold steel, well crafted handguns, and impact weapons. Glad to be here!

Brian Williams
May 17, 2009, 12:40 PM
I have recently gone thru a bout of tendonitis in my Achilles tendon and have been using a nice oak round top cane that I refinished with a nice light brown stain and a hand rubbed varnish finish, definitely a nice club if needed.

Phydeaux642
May 19, 2009, 11:47 PM
I'm becoming very interested in canes as a defensive tool. Can anyone give me some things that I need to look for in a cane? Some of the canes at Cane Masters and the Cold Steel walking sticks look interesting.

lanternlad1
May 20, 2009, 12:54 AM
I have a Cold Steel City stick (pistol grip). Very nice.

Carl Levitian
May 20, 2009, 07:20 AM
[I'm becoming very interested in canes as a defensive tool. Can anyone give me some things that I need to look for in a cane? Some of the canes at Cane Masters and the Cold Steel walking sticks look interesting.]
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Stay as far away from canes that look too outside the norm as possable. Meaning skull heads, mace like handles, too much metal hardware. I don't like any metal on my sticks at all, so they go right through metal detectors at the court house just fine. Stay away from gimicky appearences.

You want low profile appearence. It's surprising that even carried by a young man, a normal looking cane will hardly be noticed. A plain crook top, or even a rustic walking stick like a blackthorn won't attract near the attention of a Cold Steel cane. It's a matter of perspective. Plus, the LEO's and TSA people also get the catalogues, and they know what cold Steel products are. My son is a police officer, and they get the print outs on the newest trendy gizmos like Jaw jackkers, Comtect stingers, Benchmade weapon pens, all the plastic "letter opener" knives, and Cold steel covert weapons from the special projects catalogues. Security personel may be obnoxious, but they're not stupid. Okay, some aren't.

Be carefull of the canes with alot of wood carving/shaping like some of the canemasters products. Making any grooves or rings carved into the wood for the increase of "grip" can also make it easier to break. A ring in the wood, even shallow, can act as a stress line under impact. If you don't believe that, go out in the woods with a small pocket knife, and cut a groove around the base of a small sappling about an inch or inch and a half in diameter. Then reach up and bend the sappling. 9 times out of 10, it will break off right where the groove is cut in the wood. This is how our old scoutmaster tought us to cut limbs and small sapplings with a pocket knife for making survival shelters. His reasoning was that if we have pants on, we'll always have our pocket knife on us.

A wood cane/stick should have no cuts, grooves, figures, spirals, or anything else in the surface of the wood. Rustic sticks, like blackthorn, hornbeam, hawthorn, crabapple, don't even have the bark removed, because of the nature of the bark being thick, and being a protective layer for the wood. In Ireland, where the blackthorn has been a personal protection tool for hundreds of years, it was tradition for the stick to be cut and burried with the bark on, in a peat bog for aging. The peat turned the blackthorn a very dark color, and thats why even today, blackthorns are stained/painted black. it naturally has a dark brown color to it.

Do not get a stick that somebody has drilled a hole through the body of the stick up near the handle to put a leather thong through for a nice little loop. By doing so, they've just drilled a nice weak spot in the wood. If you want a loop, just braid a piece of thong/paracord/marline or whatever around the shaft. Don't go driiling holes in the wood right through the core of the shaft.

Rather than a Canemasters, hunt down a country feed store, and see if you can find a stock cane. A stock cane will look like a plain cane, but just a bit more "hefty". Low profile. Or there may be a medical supply store near you that will have a plain hickory, ash, or maple crook top cane. Either of those woods are good.

Carrying your cane around, don't be self concious about it. Too many young guys feel they can't get away with it and have to fake a limp. Don't do that. Just act natural. If you don't make a big deal out of it, nobody else will. If somebody is rude enough to inquire why you're carrying it, just tell them you have an old rugby/football/mountain biking/whatever injury that give you a bit of trouble now and then. After a while, even your friends will not even think about it, it will become part of you and your persona. If you really feel a bit self consious over it, start carrying it on a Monday morning, and just tell people you got a bit banged up over the weekend, and let it go at that. After a while they won't even notice it anymore.

A cane is a wonderful thing. It can go anywhere with you, past security that will stop a knife let alone a firearm. I've walked right onto airplanes with mine, right into the court house, and schools. Nobody can ever stop you, and if they try, just tell them they are about to get sued under the Americans With Disability acts. In these days of political correctness, even the most gestapo like security personel will back off from that. But the kind of cane will make a diference in that instance. A regular looking cane will be no trouble, but a cane that looks like it was designed as a weapon will be questioned. it's all about apearence and perspective.

You have to give some thought to the aftermath of the "if you have to use it' senerio. The bad thing about Canemasters, Cold steel canes, is that they are marketed as a weapon. Even if you beat the snot out of some lowlife who attacks you, and you walk out of the police station after giving your statement with the cops patting you on the back and telling you what a great job you did, your not out of the woods. All that has to happen is the family of low life gets a lawyer from the ACLU, and looks into sueing you, and he finds out you used a Cold Steel mace cane, or a Canemasters whatever, and he will try to paint you as a wanabe on the prowl. In this age of the internet, its very easy to find things out. This is why I dislike dedicated weapons like Kubotons, and martial arts stuff. Nobody ever got sued for using a AA minimag, or a standard medical supply cane. It's all about perspective, like it or not.

Phydeaux642
May 20, 2009, 09:33 PM
Thanks Carl for the info. Any leads on a good online seller for a blackthorn walking stick?

Carl Levitian
May 21, 2009, 08:26 AM
[Thanks Carl for the info. Any leads on a good online seller for a blackthorn walking stick?]

I've heard that LollySmith.com has some rustic ones from the old country. Look for at least 1 inch diameter, and a handle that has a decent bit to hand onto. I have found that the 45 to 90 degree root handles are the most comfortable when walking. LollySmith changes their stock often, and sometimes you have to check back time to time. Or, if you live near a large city, there may be an irish shop around. Boston, New York, Chicago.

What I've done is make some of my own out of hornbeam, a very tough wood. Look around by creek bottoms for some, and find one that is about the right diameter. Take a small garden towel and dig around the base to see if it has a root knob that goes off at an angle for a nice handle. If so, dig it up and use a cheap box store hatchet to cut it loose from the rest of the roots. Cheap hatchet because you'll be chopping in the ground and it will get nicked all to h--l.

Let it sit down the basement for 6 to 8 months, then use 220, 500, and 0000 steel wool to smooth the root knob. It will look like pipe briar when done. Don't take off the bark! Just polish it with 0000 steel wool, and use the minwax stain of your choice. Seal with Helmsman Spar Urathane, and you'll have a great rugged stick that you made yourself.

Walking sticks are great. It's go anywhere defense.

glistam
May 21, 2009, 10:47 AM
Hey Carl. Hadn't read your location until just now, I've probably walked right by you at the Home Depot.
I hear you on the City Stick part. While I pondered them for a moment, they look kind of ridiculous unless you're wearing a coat and tails.
My mace-head is actually a new acquisition and it's carried mainly when walking the dog or in tougher areas, but never in high security environments. My day-to-day cane I am not comfortable posting a pic of. It's Chinese waxwood with a leather wrapped grip that I made myself back in 2000. I have to say I love hornbeam, but the waxwood deserves credit. Its light and amazingly tough due to it's moderate flexibility even when dried.

fishing
May 22, 2009, 04:56 PM
I don't know the legality of such a device, but a custom gun maker some years ago made a CO2 powered cane that shot a heavy lead slug at a relitively low (yet still lethal) (550 fps) velocity. He also made one that actually fired a CO2 cartridge! The .72 caliber barrel held a co2 cartridge. Twisting the head of the cane punctured the end of the cartridge, firing it out the barrel like a rocket.

Phydeaux642
May 22, 2009, 05:08 PM
I picked up an inexpensive cane last night on flea-bay. Made out of hawthorn and 1 1/4" at the top tapering to 1" at the bottom. $16.00 plus shipping. I may move up to blackthorn in the future when I find one that I like.

I could have used it last night. I sat down for about an hour and a half and could barely walk when I got up. Gettin' old isn't for the faint of heart.

hso
May 22, 2009, 06:01 PM
I've been carrying a Canemaster Instructor's Cane on flights for years. That includes international flights. I've never had any state's security folks make any comment other to ask if I needed it to get through the arch.

A simple stock cane cut to the proper length and with the hook very slightly shaped won't get a second glance. The gimmicky canes sold to guys more interested in trinkets than training will get you cavity searched.

bikerdoc
May 23, 2009, 01:25 PM
A simple stock cane cut to the proper length and with the hook very slightly shaped won't get a second glance. The gimmicky canes sold to guys more interested in trinkets than training will get you cavity searched.


Yep, thats true. Even my homemade canes, that just look like plain homemade cane get more compliments than scrutiny.

Carl Levitian
May 23, 2009, 02:20 PM
[I picked up an inexpensive cane last night on flea-bay. Made out of hawthorn and 1 1/4" at the top tapering to 1" at the bottom. $16.00 plus shipping. I may move up to blackthorn in the future when I find one that I like.

I could have used it last night. I sat down for about an hour and a half and could barely walk when I got up. Gettin' old isn't for the faint of heart.]

Hawthorn is tough stuff, makes a pretty good cane. And you're right about the gettin old thing!

vegasrandall
May 24, 2009, 02:20 AM
I've got the cold steel red oak cane with the brass ball.I put a lee valley tools walking staff tip on it.it ha a carbide tip for non skid and poking things.with the addition of a sling you have a tool that will throw a egg sized rock 100 yards

Mike U.
May 24, 2009, 04:58 AM
I injured my back at work in 1995. It never healed and a host of docs told me there's nothing I can do but "manage" the pain. As a result, I need a cane or walking stick from time to time. Here are a few I've amassed over the years.
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r314/Mike_U_photos/MVC-004S-2.jpg

From L to R:
1. Maple
2. Blonde form of African Ebony (carved head cane)
3. can't recall
4. African Raisin Wood
5. Some Chinese hardwood (unknown)
6. Poison Sumac
7 & 8. A pair made from Rattan (I have about half a dozen of these. VERY tough stuff)
9. The last one is from Germany and I cannot recall the wood. IIRC, it starts with a "W".

Deltaboy
May 25, 2009, 05:04 PM
Nice Collection !

Phydeaux642
May 25, 2009, 07:50 PM
Are there any good videos available on defensive moves for the cane? I really don't want to wade through all of the junk on Youtube but I would be willing to purchase a good DVD if one was recommended.

Carl Levitian
May 25, 2009, 10:06 PM
If there are, I've never seen one. Mostly the couple times things looked dicy, I just fell back to the old pugil stick training we had in the army. The shaft of the stick is useful for blocking, and the root knob (Butt end) is used for a butt stroke to the face. Strait thrusts with the foot end (muzzel or bayonet end) is used for strait in lunges tot he throat and stomach. In the 1960's, we got periodic traing in riot baton use, maybe due the civil unrest of the period.

Back then, most of our training was based on John Styers and Col. rex Applegate.

You may do better to find a martial arts studio that teaches cane techniques. Too much junk on Y-tube.

Deltaboy
May 25, 2009, 10:50 PM
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2847809/senior_canemaster_joe_robaina_demonstrates_cane_self_defense/


http://www.canemasters.com/instructional-media-training-videos-c-7_20.html

http://www.canemasters.com/page.html?chapter=0&id=32


http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2009Mar23/0,4670,CaneFu,00.html

hso
May 25, 2009, 11:36 PM
Yep, canemasters.

stickwhistler
May 26, 2009, 03:20 AM
The short video below uses adapted bayonet techniques
and is IMHO as good as you will find.
It uses gross motor movements, which are basic and effective,
because when the adrenalin hits - (fight or flight stuff) - finesse goes out of the window.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f3lvBY8y7Q

Below are some more videos using canes

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Cane+Farang+Mu+Sul+Nelson+Pinto+Huntington+Beach+Michael+De+Alba+san+francisco+MArtial+Arts+Demos+self+defense&search=related&v=O0MC3ueFXbQ&page=3

Hope you find something that you like, and as always, what ever works for you on a personal level - do that.

bikerdoc
May 26, 2009, 08:30 AM
Im with Carl on falling back on the bayonet training.
Got some tune up moves from a local M/A studio Suited just for me and my particular infirmity.

Carl Levitian
May 26, 2009, 10:43 AM
I watched a few of those canesmasters video's, and I don't know.

I admit I'm not martial artist, just an old GI and ex cop, but I don't like the idea of swinging the handle end of a crook top cane toward the enemy. A seconds miscallculation or something, and you've given the enemy a nice handle to hang onto vs your smooth shaft. And I don't believe in letting go of the stick with one hand. I like the KISS principle. Both hands on the stick like it was a M14 with a bayonet on the muzzel. The only time we ever used a stick one handed, was the shorter "billy" club. Then it was still simple. Thrust to the soft, cut to the hard. They trained us that if the stick was no longer than the length from your elbow to thefinger tips, one hand was okay. If it was the longer riot stick, then it was two hands always. If an enemy grabbed the stick, then thats what combat boots and headbutts are for.

I think all that twirling around and flashy moves are okay for a MA studio, but in real life out on the street, at the close range street encounters are at, keep it simple and effective. I don't want to "hook" anyone, or take them down, I just want to hurt them or damage them enough so I can go on my way. If I am going to do any swinging, it's going low so I can take out a knee. That way I may be able to outrun them.

Todd A
May 26, 2009, 10:50 AM
Both hands on the stick like it was a M14 with a bayonet on the muzzel

M-14? Your showing your age Carl;):D.

But I do agree the very simple bayonet drill should work well. Even after 20 years or so its still easy to remember.

blindhari
May 26, 2009, 11:02 AM
There is nothing in the world more dangerous than a bit of a stick, with an Irishman on the other end of it.

blindhari

Carl Levitian
May 26, 2009, 03:06 PM
[M-14? Your showing your age Carl.

But I do agree the very simple bayonet drill should work well. Even after 20 years or so its still easy to remember.]


Hey Todd, there were still a few Garrands in the arms room when I went through boot camp!

All kidding aside, I think that's the beauty of the military training; it stays with you forever. They drill it into you so deep, that it comes back all on it's own when something happened. Like an auto pilot coming on by itself in an emergency. I'd been out of the army almost 30 years when I walked out of the store and had a couple punks try to roll me. I don't remember any thinking at all, just afterward my wife asked me what that was, and all I could tell her was "Ft. Dix basic training". Of course a little of C.L.E.T.A. (Colorado Law Enforcement Training Acadamy) mixed in with it.

A stick is a nice thing to have.

Phydeaux642
May 26, 2009, 03:12 PM
Carl, I think your approach is a good one. Some of the short videos I've watched are way over the top or just plain funny. A simple approach is easy to remember and probably just as effective.

blindhari
May 27, 2009, 09:40 PM
Canemasters is allright, but there was an entire school of stick fighting, schools and matches going on in Ireland way before the civil war. Almost all of this was written up in books and is still available in The US library system. In close it is devastating and made the Irish blackthorn respected around the world. Second place to try is Thai single stick. Third is the philipine version using two sticks, I believe it is called Escrima. My grandfather was Irish and when alive he taught all his kin how to take down a man with a knife or club. An English swagger stick has more than one use.

blindhari

Carl Levitian
May 28, 2009, 08:58 AM
[Canemasters is allright, but there was an entire school of stick fighting, schools and matches going on in Ireland way before the civil war. Almost all of this was written up in books and is still available in The US library system. In close it is devastating and made the Irish blackthorn respected around the world. Second place to try is Thai single stick. Third is the philipine version using two sticks, I believe it is called Escrima. My grandfather was Irish and when alive he taught all his kin how to take down a man with a knife or club. An English swagger stick has more than one use.

blindhari]


Yeah! What he said!!!

Actually the English invasion of Ireland in the late 1500's resulted in a form of stick fighting. Use of the Bata. By 1600 less than 10% of Ireland was left in Irish Catholic hands. The ruling English were so Draconian, that to modern day to curse a person in Ireland is to say to them "May the curse of Cromwell be on you." It was a very black time. Laws were passed by the now ruling English against Irishmen owning any kind of weapon. Muskets, swords, knives other than simple clasp knives, such as dirks and daggers. Sounds a little familair.

Anyways, Irishmen being normal human beings and resentful of their English landlords and masters, didn't feel like going totally unarmed. So the just made the shaft of the shalaliegh a bit longer and made walking sticks out of the blackthorn. In those days most men carried a stick of some sort. Techniques were developed for the use of the bata, and father and uncle passed the training down to the next generation. The blackthorn was capable of parrying a rapier blade and the resulting blow or thrust counter attack could disable an attacker. Of course, after the attacker was disabled, if he chose to beat them over the head to make one less of Cromwells minnions in the world, that was okay. Many an occupying Englishman was found with his skull caved in. Death from blunt force truma was just as deadly in 1600 as now. The blackthorn became the daily companion of the common Irishman. It was the weapon in plain sight. As it evolved, there were staged contest fights at county fairs to see who was the better man with a bata.

The blackthorn is actually a medium brown, but the traditional way of curring a blackthorn was once cut, it was burried in a peat bog for some months to age. This turned it black, and to this day, they paint a blackthorn stick black, even though they may be air curred or kiln dried.

The blackthorn was a weapon born out of dire need to defend oneself in an era when other more effective weapons like guns and swords were banned from ownership. Sound a little familiar?

bikerdoc
May 28, 2009, 09:49 AM
The blackthorn was a weapon born out of dire need to defend oneself in an era when other more effective weapons like guns and swords were banned from ownership. Sound a little familiar?

Wake up America. He speaks the truth.

KBT1911
May 28, 2009, 06:12 PM
Kinda reminds me of the monty Python self-defense episode. "A POINTED STICK???"

Here's mine. All the twists and curves are natural. The two staves are crape myrtle. The cane with the top piece is unknown wood type found in woods and the other is pear.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa169/killian45/canes.jpg

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa169/killian45/canes2.jpg

Deltaboy
May 29, 2009, 12:10 AM
Nice!!!

PT1911
May 29, 2009, 12:23 AM
I have, on many occasions, pondered moving to a new area where nobody knows me and faking a limp and carrying a cane as a regular lifestyle.. I know it is silly, but I am extremely close to doing it... i guess I could fake an injury or something but then I would just have to build on that lie...giving and taking I guess.. I would never be without a weapon to defend myself, but then again, I would look like an easier victim....

KBT1911
May 29, 2009, 06:56 PM
LOL PT1911! I made the twisty one after i messed up my knee running. I was hobbling for a couple of months. If you're not hurt, you can just do the "pimp-step" instead and people will just think you're trying to be hip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_68tTS2VRcg

PT1911
May 29, 2009, 09:00 PM
Na.. i would totally fake the limp to the best of my ability and work hard to keep it up all the time.. If I did, it would be all the way...make it a lifestyle... along with the concealed gun on my hip, I could be a complete surprise... I am about---------that close to doing it...and those are pretty damn nice btw... now if only one could mount a 22 barrel in the shaft and manufacture some sort of a trigger mechanism in the handle... What a piece of work that would be...

Fred Fuller
May 29, 2009, 09:15 PM
now if only one could mount a 22 barrel in the shaft and manufacture some sort of a trigger mechanism in the handle... What a piece of work that would be

It would be an ILLEGAL piece of work, if not properly registered and tax-stamped.

The National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA 34): This law placed certain classes of firearms into a registered ownership category. Private individuals can possess a functional machine gun, silencer (suppressor), short-barreled rifle or shotgun, smooth-bore pistol, cane gun, or destructive device (certain shotguns, grenade launchers, hand grenades, bazookas, mortars, cannon, etc.) only after first paying a Federal Transfer Tax of either $5 or $200 per firearm/device. The $5 tax applies to pen guns, cane guns, smoothbore pistols, or any other such firearm that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms classifies as "Any Other Weapon" (AOW). All other functional guns or devices in the NFA registry require payment of a $200 federal tax for each private transfer. The tax is not an annual tax. It only is paid each time a functional NFA firearm is being transferred to or from a private owner (excepting inheritance). -- http://www.machinegunbroker.com/moreinfo.html

Note that the above is federal, whether or not they are legal in your state, I don't know.

lpl

PT1911
May 29, 2009, 09:20 PM
I have looked into it.. and they are quite illegal and would definitely result in some terrible outcome for me... so.. it wil remain a "want" and never a "have." :confused::mad:

Guess a blunt protective instrument will have to do instead.. or my CCW if needed.

"all the sudden the presumed cripple kicked the suspect's ass"

Valkman
May 29, 2009, 10:33 PM
The thing I have against my Canemasters cane right now is that I have an injured left hand (ran into the old table saw for fun). If I carry the cane in my right hand my hands are "full" so to speak and I'd rather keep it free, especially if I'm carrying a gun. If not it doesn't really matter but it seems it'd be a PITA not having a free hand.

hso
May 29, 2009, 11:43 PM
now if only one could mount a 22 barrel in the shaft and manufacture some sort of a trigger mechanism in the handle...

Been done from the 1800's onward, but as lpl pointed out if you didn't register it as an AOW you'd have some serious federal vacation time. Add to that dealing with LE, Prosecution and, potentially, Jury explaining just why you used a cane gun on some miscreant.

No, we deal with the early parts of the force continuum here.

Deltaboy
May 29, 2009, 11:49 PM
Cane guns are a no no. I just want to use my Puji stick training with my cane if needed. The French Method of stick fighting is quite straight forward also.

Todd A
May 30, 2009, 12:28 AM
In my opinion a cane gun is only a novelty. If a firearm is needed there are far more potent,accurate, and as easily concealed options out there.

As hso said...
No, we deal with the early parts of the force continuum here.

Far too many of our gun totin brethren rely on only the gun. In this little corner of THR we here understand that the gun is only but one tool in the toolbox.

Believe it or not, not every situation calls for clearing leather.

Geno
May 30, 2009, 12:33 AM
Here are some more that I have made:

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5828/02222f.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/122/02323e.jpg

Carl Levitian
May 30, 2009, 12:42 AM
[I have, on many occasions, pondered moving to a new area where nobody knows me and faking a limp and carrying a cane as a regular lifestyle.. I know it is silly, but I am extremely close to doing it... i guess I could fake an injury or something but then I would just have to build on that lie...giving and taking I guess.. I would never be without a weapon to defend myself, but then again, I would look like an easier victim....]
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Don't fake a limp, just carry the thing and make it part of your individual persona. There's nothing illegal about it, and people try to make appologys for it, or an exuse. In fact not faking a limp and walking normal and carrying a stick would send out a clear message to a preditior sizing you up that you're prepared. I notice that when I come out of a metro tunnel at some of the stops in D.C that are known for very aggresive pan handlers, and I have my blackthorn in my hand and I'm not limping, they keep a good distance from me as I pass. I got injured on active duty in 1970, and I was still a young guy at 30 years of age. At that point I didn't have hardly any limp if I was having a good day, but I just took to carrying a blackthorn instead of the old fogy cane they gave me at Walter Reed Army medical Center where I took my rehab. I just worked it in with my stride, and didn't make a big deal out of it.

Once in a very great while some nosy person would ask why I had a cane, and sometimes I'd tell them it was an old injury that acts up sometimes, other times I'd make a joke out of it and tell them theres some mean streets out there. I've never had anybody hastle me about it. These days its even easier, because of the political correctness and the Americans With Disabilities Act, they can't pry or ask without looking like an a$$.

The bottom line is that its your own self conciousness that gives it away. If you just start carrying one, and act like its no big deal, after a while it becomes part of you and your persona. At the most, some people may think you a bit eccentric, so what? In fact, thats okay too, they may joke in private about you carrying a stick around, but they'll also get the idea among themselves that maybe your prepared to defend yourself, and that will get around also.

Some years ago I mentored a young man who's father had run out on the family when he was a young kid. Was growing up with no good father figure. I tought him how to shoot, outdoorsmen stuff, how to act, and he eventually in his mid 20's started carrying a blackthorn walking stick like I did. Here in the peoples republik of Maryland theres no CCW, so no chance of carrying a firearm. Jason got pretty good with the stick drills I tought him, and once in a while somebody would ask why he had a stick. Jason would tell them, "Because I can." and drop it. After a while nobody gave it any thought. Or so we thought, but it was noticed in a good way. Jason noticed that at night, and leaving work the young ladies were anxious to have Jason walk out on the parking lot with them to escort them to thier cars. He even got a few dates out of it. When they found out Jason had a weakness for Dunkin Doughnuts, they would bring him a doughnut and coffee in the morning. One night he asked one young lady why they never asked anyone else working there to walk them to their cars. The pretty young woman told him because nobody else there carried a nice stick like he did, and they thought it was so cool that he did so, and they felt safe with him escorting them to the car at night rather than any of the other office geeks. Geeks- thier words for the other guys.

So Jason ends up having the girls in his office competing for him to walk them to the cars at night. He ends up with free doughnuts and coffee, ended up dating one of the best looking young women in the company, and he never had a bit of a limp or faked an injury.

Sometimes it pays to be an individual. Let people think whatever the heck they want, but your first duty is to protect yourself.

sm
May 30, 2009, 12:48 AM
Great Thread!

Keep it coming with all the great information and pictures!

I inherited the "bad knees" gene. So I have always had a stick, of some kind.
In my mid thirties, I had double knee surgery and my knees are better than ever.

I had some blackthorn, and in fact one was brought back from Ireland, that was a neat stick!
I have had others of rattan, maple and other woods.
Years pass, life happens...and I don't have all these. So I went to a farm/ranch store and went to cattle canes.

I lost my old cattle canes, due to theft.

I have (hopefully still ) a $ 11 wooden drug store cane somewhere around here, I got moved with it, still it seems to have run off during some house cleaning.
[See, cleaning house is bad]

My current ,"stick" is a old wooden mop handle a tad over 44 inches.

Oh, I like hickory axe handles. I always have, even one cracked , works.

What I do is get one cracked where it fits into the axe head. Sand, clean and dry, and apply 24 hour epoxy. Then I go back with 24 hour epoxy and wrap with braided cord, such as old braided fishing line, or heavier.

It is just a old, cracked hickory axe handle, salvaged and used as a cane.
The other end, where one holds onto it, has that flat spot, at a nice, comfy angle, to fit hands when putting weight on it.

Sometimes these need a bit of sanding to bring out the character and grain of the wood, still these are different, and have character like many canes pictured in this thread.

I use(d) these in rural,semi rural and small town settings...talk about blending in.

Got a kid with a need for a cane, take a look at hickory axe handles, for something different and "cool", "neat" or "cute".
Doing this hickory axe handle bit with a kid, is quality time as well.

PT1911
May 30, 2009, 02:53 AM
cool... cool... and I was speaking of the hidden .22 as a novelty, I am more than aware that it is extremely illegal.. Never thought about just carrying one for the hell of it.. interesting... I cannot imagine just starting to do so one random day, but maybe if I have a temporary use for one I can just never put it down...;)

and those are some nice canes geno

Pun1sher
May 30, 2009, 04:19 AM
display your sword- canes :)

bikerdoc
May 30, 2009, 09:31 AM
I use cane every day. I dont limp, and I dont look disabled. I dont need it to walk I need it to keep from falling down, as i have balance issues from a plate in my cervical spine. This injury has also given me a numb left hand. Add in 60 years of living wide open and "Mr Arthuritis" visits often.
All are homemade and it is one of the few hobbies that ties in with my knife and sharpening interests.
I really dont care what people think. When they pay my bill they can have a say.
To combat the full hand thing wrap, a lanyard on the handle.( never drill a hole)
As for being very low on the force spectrum it is almost off the bottom end. Go to the airport and they give me a ride in those neat golf carts.:neener:

As a weapon, with training, it gives distance and reach. It allows you disable quickly and disengage. ( If your situational awareness had been working you would not be there in the first place)

And yes the ladies find it attractive:evil: but Miss Cindi would beat me senseless with her cane if I reacted to some of the pathetic come on lines:cool:

seeker_two
May 30, 2009, 10:54 AM
While a legally-owned cane gun (maybe something in .410) would be a fun novelty to have, it wouldn't be nearly as useful and versatile (not to mention easy to carry anywhere) as a regular stick.

Thanks for this thread...now I need to do some cane shopping.... :D

Carl Levitian
May 30, 2009, 11:51 AM
I think the citizens of the United States are the few that are hung up on thinking one has to be disabled to carry a stick. Like its a stigma of some sorts, where in other countries its a matter of practicality.

I had the good fortune to have seen a good amount of overseas travel in the 10 years I served in the army. Europe, the middle east, southeast asia. Although I could have done without that last one. One of the most interesting places I got to go, was a TDY duty station to Wheelus Air Force base just outside of Tripoli Libia. They needed some construction done, so they borrowed an engineer unit from the army. Of course after hours and on weekends we toured around and saw what we could see. One time I and a few fellow GI's hired a taxi driver to take up around. I had noticed alot of the men always had a short staff like stick with them, no matter if they were in the market square in town or out in the country side. When I asked our driver about the sticks he told us that sometimes there are very bad people about, and a man may have to defend himself against a thief, or a dog. That was 1960's Libia, and I guess they didn't have a gun culture like we do in the U.S. It was their belief a thief gets beaten, not shot. I found that contrary to what most modern Americans would think of the Muslum people, the arabs I got to know in Libia were warm, friendly, God fearing people, who would do anything to avoid killing. They carried a stick, or sometimes a curved blade knife, but I never found one with a gun. By contrast though, they looked at us with the view of us being gun toting cowboys.

One aftrnoon I had the chance to see how they used those short hiking staff looking sticks. We had driven out to the little town of Misurata, east of Tripoli on the coast. It was a beautiful spot with white beaches and the blue sea for swiming. I was in the market buying some food for eating at the beach later when commotion started. A man came running by with a shop owner in pursuit. A thief had snatched something off a table at one of the stalls, and the shop owner was yelling something, probably "stop, thief."

The men who were in the direction the thief on the run was heading, all started poking at his legs with thier sticks as he ran by, and tripped him up good. As he fell, they closed in on him and beat the ever loving daylights out of him. I mean beat him good. It was like a small mob of burnoose wearing arabs swinging these sticks that were like a rib high broomstick, and the poor guy on the ground never had a chance. Apparently in arab culture, there is nothing lower and more despised than a thief. It seemed like a very short while before police whistles were blowing, but by the time the local cops got there, the thief was a bloody pulp, unable to walk away. He was taken away under police guard in an amblulance. Justice had already been done. Every stick wielding man in earshot of the shopkeepers cries for help, had turned on the fleeing criminal and beat him senseless.

Looking back on my time in some parts of the world, I can say I felt safer there, with no gun on me, than I do in some parts of my native land here in America. Particularly in parts of the U.S. where its very easy to get a gun permit. As Todd said, all to often the American gun nut's answer is to pull his gun and shoot someone. I often wonder if the yo-yo's on some of these forums who do the macho chest beating have ever shot somebody at close range, and seen the light in thier eyes go out. Only then, do you feel the sickening enormity of what you've just done hit you. The stick gives you an invaluable second tool to maybe avoid that. The stick in hand can send out a strong message to someone watching you, maybe sizing you up, that if they try you, theres going to be a fight. The punk criminal does not want a fight. If you have a stick, they will give you a look over, and ask themselves "What's he got that stick for?" On some level, they know, and will pass you by. The stick makes them feel a bit hinky about taking you on. Most petty criminals, at least here in Maryland and Washinton D.C., use a knife to try to intimidate the victim to give up his wallet and cell phone. I watch the crime collums and my own son is a country police officer, so I have a good idea of the data on the person to person crimes in my local area. There are acually very few guns used in personal street muggiings when compared to the small kitchen knife, or even just strong arm robbery. A good sturdy stick can get you out of such a situation.

Clint once said "There's nothing like a good piece of hickory."

The same can be said of ash, oak, hornbeam, hawthorn, blackthorn...

Cannonball888
May 30, 2009, 12:10 PM
http://prodimages.branders.com/img/-31531_th.jpg
I keep a lot of these in pocket carry mode. Several of these shoved down a perp's throat will give him a stomach ache. You can also throw the sticky ones in his hair and he'll flee in embarassment.

KBT1911
May 30, 2009, 01:33 PM
Hahahaha!

Phydeaux642
May 30, 2009, 03:20 PM
So Jason ends up having the girls in his office competing for him to walk them to the cars at night. He ends up with free doughnuts and coffee, ended up dating one of the best looking young women in the company, and he never had a bit of a limp or faked an injury.

Sometimes it pays to be an individual. Let people think whatever the heck they want, but your first duty is to protect yourself.

And, the best thing about carrying a cane now when you don't really need it is that you will be used to it by the time you do need it.

And, Carl, you are right about the macho chest-beating some of these forum yo-yo's do. I am growing weary of the threads where someone was itching to pull a gun when the situation didn't warrant it. Makes the rest of us look bad.

glistam
May 30, 2009, 11:17 PM
I'm a younger guy and am not disabled, and nobody really pays it any mind. The only time was a guard stopped me to ask about my stick in Air and Space; not mean, just curious. I just smiled and said "I made this one. I like having a stick on long walks." (You can't really drive anywhere in DC) He was fine with that, even handled it, asked me the type of wood, and where to buy that kind. Everyone else didn't even give it a second look, even when there was a metal detector to walk through.

hso
May 31, 2009, 12:48 AM
display your sword- canes

Equally silly toys and equally illegal almost everywhere. The other thing is that the good ones are more expensive than a firearm.

Carl Levitian
May 31, 2009, 01:10 AM
[I'm a younger guy and am not disabled, and nobody really pays it any mind. The only time was a guard stopped me to ask about my stick in Air and Space; not mean, just curious. I just smiled and said "I made this one. I like having a stick on long walks." (You can't really drive anywhere in DC) He was fine with that, even handled it, asked me the type of wood, and where to buy that kind. Everyone else didn't even give it a second look, even when there was a metal detector to walk through.]

You must have got the same guy that I had. A few weeks ago we had some out-of-town company and the boys aged 9 and 11 wanted to see the airplanes at the Air and Space museum. Just one guard was interested in my blackthorn, so I told him The Irish Walk over in Alexandria has some nice ones. He seemed to appreatiate it for practical reasons.

Deltaboy
May 31, 2009, 02:45 PM
I am building a French style walking stick with a small brass head. When the camera gets recharged I'll post the pics of the 2 I have already.

Mike U.
June 1, 2009, 02:24 AM
I have one of those cattle canes. They are very stout pieces of hickory. I recommend them highly for just that reason. Farm & feed store is where I found it. IIRC, it was like $7.99 or $8.99, something like that. An excellent buy.
I keep it in the truck since one never knows when it will be needed. For walking assistance and possibly a pacifier.

Also, FWIW, if y'all are ever at EPCOT, stop by the China Pavilion in the World Showcase. In the back of the Chinese Dept. store you'll find rattan walking sticks like the ones in my pic for $4.99. They are back where the sword display and books are kept.

Deltaboy
June 2, 2009, 07:35 PM
Here you go

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hogman84/mikescanes002.jpg
The brass head on home made one.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hogman84/mikescanes001.jpg

L to R

My Cold Steel Blackthorn Stick , My homemade stick and my new Stock Stick

PT1911
June 2, 2009, 09:13 PM
I like the one in the middle...

Coyote3855
June 3, 2009, 12:25 PM
I have a stock cane from the Chicago Stock Yards, dated 1964. Also just received a nice blackthorn from these folks. Pricey, but a very nice stick.

http://www.elderluxe.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=171&DEPARTMENT_ID=74

Carl, your advice and thoughts are always spot on. And you tell a good story every time. Thanks for sharing.

Cocked & Locked
June 4, 2009, 10:54 AM
I walk with a cane most of the time. Its nice to have a cane as my 1'st in hand line of defense since I can't run very well. :scrutiny: I also conceal carry a handgun and my Spyderco.

I have many canes, some I've made and some purchased. 37" is my preference in length for ease of walking.

These are two store-bought canes (hickory I think) that I spiffed up by installing some Colt grip medallions...my brace of Colts. :D

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/6675271/366183012.jpg

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/6675271/366183017.jpg


This is one I made from one inch diameter oak and a chrome plated hame ball from a horse collar. I also have a similar one I made with a brass hame ball. The rifle sling and rawhide thong come in handy for buffet lines and such. :cool:

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/6675271/366183016.jpg

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/6675271/366183014.jpg

bikerdoc
June 4, 2009, 11:57 AM
I walk with a cane most of the time. Its nice to have a cane as my 1'st in hand line of defense since I can't run very well. I also conceal carry a handgun and my Spyderco.


Me too!
Nice work you have done. I like to make cane and the more you make the better you get.
Some day I will get to your level of craftmanship

Cocked & Locked
June 4, 2009, 12:26 PM
Thanks bikerdoc ! My kicker may be part of the reason I need a cane. :cool:

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/20866556/365286055.jpg

bikerdoc
June 4, 2009, 12:39 PM
Cocked & Locked

It is just pain wrong to tease a biker who cant ride anymore. ( Smile, snicker and Smirk)

Cocked & Locked
June 4, 2009, 12:58 PM
don't feel bad...I've got both of mine ('75 FLH & '80 XL) up for sale, can't do it anymore :(

Deltaboy
June 4, 2009, 10:29 PM
Thanks for that tip on using the Rifle sling and rawhide loop.

PT1911 that brass head is from a mule plowing harness it weighs about as much as 2 rolls of quarters.

CWL
June 4, 2009, 11:54 PM
Folks,
This is about where I jump in with a link to Enasco stockman's canes. Hickory canes from med-weight to heavy weight. Priced from $7.50-$10.75 for octagonal hickory canes. Really fast shipping too.
(note that some people have complained that they have too much of a crook to use for SD purposes, but all you need to do is cut 2" of the crook to use Hapkido or Canemaster-style techniques.)

http://www.enasco.com/farmandranch/?&q=cane

Dave Markowitz
June 5, 2009, 04:11 PM
I just got a Blackthorn walking stick from Fashionable Canes. It was made by Classic Canes in England. The stick came with a brass and steel ferrule and FC threw in a rubber crutch tip for the end. Weight is probably about pound or a bit less. I cut about 2 or 3 inches off the tip with a hacksaw and remounted the ferrule so it fits me better. The wood is nice and hard. Overall it seems very nice.

It's cured and finished, but what do you gents recommend I put on the wood periodically to preserve it? Maybe some beeswax or tung oil?

Deltaboy
June 5, 2009, 04:45 PM
I would contact Fashionable canes and ask them.

Carl Levitian
June 5, 2009, 05:49 PM
"It's cured and finished, but what do you gents recommend I put on the wood periodically to preserve it? Maybe some beeswax or tung oil?"


According to thier own info, it's already got a clear coat finish to protect it. Any tung oil or other stuff won't penitrate. Aside from making a mess, it'll be a waste of time and money.

My own blackthorn had the same, so once a year I just brush on a light coat of Helmsman Spar urathane, satin non-glare finish to keep it sealed up.

Dave Markowitz
June 5, 2009, 06:36 PM
Thanks, didn't see any reference to a clear coat.

Deltaboy
June 6, 2009, 04:15 PM
I paid 10.50 for my stock cane and it is a Rock. It is nice thick and strong.

p35
June 6, 2009, 06:51 PM
Had to toss this up- I do this for relaxation and have way too many b/c I lose interest once I finish one and want to try something else with a new piece of wood.

Anyway, this is made from a single piece of hawthorn I carved mainly with a drawknife. Keep it in the truck most of the time and works well for all possible uses ;).

sm
June 6, 2009, 06:57 PM
How well does walnut, apple and pear do for a cane?

It seems to me walnut should hold up, just I cannot recall how apple and pear does.

Neighbor and I have been trimming some trees, we have some bigger limbs to remove and just thinking a cane or two might come of this.
I am also looking for some forks, to make some homemade slingshots as we do this.

*smile*

p35
June 6, 2009, 07:07 PM
Apple and pear are some of the hardest, heaviest woods you will find. One of my favorites for stick making.

Carl Levitian
June 6, 2009, 07:18 PM
Applewood and pearwood are used in the handles of the Opinel knives. Very tough and servicable.

If you can get crab apple now, thats as near to blackthorn in toughness as you can get.

p35
June 6, 2009, 07:32 PM
Just let it sit for a few months before doing anything with it. If you peel it while green it will check (split along the grain from internal stresses caused by the outside drying faster than the core). I've had way too many interesting pieces of wood end up in the woodstove because I got impatient!

sm
June 6, 2009, 11:38 PM
Thanks for the feedback.

We have a apple, pear, and walnut that need trimming, and I know where a crabapple is , that will need attention.

Game plan now is to have cane and slingshot, of each. Hey, I am over 50, and still wearing jeans. Who knows, I might stumble into a place giving old farts style points for matching cane and slingshot.

*it could happen*


*Grin*

maxxwilde
June 7, 2009, 12:00 PM
On the subject of different woods.. How does Elm do? I've got Juniper ALL over my property, my projects havent really gone anywhere with it. It seems to be cracked regardless of what condition I find it in. And, It's very light...
Next to my work, there seems to be a few Elm tree's with pieces all over the ground. The owners wouldn't mind me walking off with a few branches at all.
Wish I could get my hands on some Crab Apple =-) SM, let us know how that works out?


Mike

Deltaboy
June 7, 2009, 07:28 PM
Crabapple sure does take the edge off your tools. I have seen some Police nitesticks made from it when I was a kid.

maxxwilde
June 8, 2009, 01:13 AM
Deltaboy said:Crabapple sure does take the edge off your tools. I have seen some Police nitesticks made from it when I was a kid.

Ok, now I really need to get some of this stuff. Oh, and maybe some better tool's...


Mike

Deltaboy
June 8, 2009, 01:38 PM
Carbite tiped ones will hold up to working that stuff on a laythe

Deltaboy
June 8, 2009, 01:52 PM
I made this from a Brazilian hardwood 7/8's dowl from Wal mart. The head is an old Brass Cap from some fixture I picked up over the years. 6 coats of mat finish Kraylon and a rubber foot.


http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hogman84/canes002.jpg



http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hogman84/canes001.jpg

Mokwepa
June 9, 2009, 12:58 PM
Dont get me wrong, the work here is beatiful, but have any of you made a "modern" cane ie; aluminium tube or any thing else like that.

Im 27 and dont need a cane but i love anything that i can defend myself with. I collect all weapons and am interested in making one myself. The wood canes are lovely and must be great fun to carve and shape to your personal specs, im just interested to see what else makes a good defence cane.

Mokwepa
June 9, 2009, 12:59 PM
aluminium tube

I understand that a defence cane would need a bit of weight, just looking for ideas.

7X57chilmau
June 9, 2009, 01:41 PM
Wood and solid composite canes may be better for self defence, if the right materials are chosen.

Aluminum tubes are fairly easy to kink if they strike a hard object... A good hardwood won't.

Several folks here have posted stout micarta and other synthetic sticks that are virtually indestructable.... Some make'em for sale. They look VERY impressive to my eye.

J

sm
June 9, 2009, 03:25 PM
I am the weapon, the world my toolbox. - yours truly

There is some beautiful work being shared in this thread, and I am most appreciative of everyone sharing. I am learning a lot as well.

These aluminum canes, as one sees in the drug store, that are adjustable, are also tools.

No, they are not heavy, nor do they have character and soul.

I am not being disrespectful with what I am about to post.
Just sometimes life is what it is, and it flat hurts to have to share some realities.

1. We have an aging society, and will continue to .
Many of our older members of society do not do well with weight. Sad, still many just have aches, pains, and just cannot do what they once did. Weight is something that concerns them.

For some, having to use a cane, is a blow to self esteem. In my experience, ladies are more often "vain" about such things. They don't want to use a stupid cane, no matter if the cute young male doctor, held their hand and flashed that smile when they shared once again "risk for falls".

Men will do this, even if the cute young nurse held their hand and <sigh> once again that risk for falls bit.
Oh they were fine while the doctor/nurse adjusted the cane proper, but once outside, the feeling of "I am not as independent as I once was" kick in.
It flat hurts their feelings.



They will "rebel", and not use the cane. Some will "accidentally misplace it".
Others, will flat lose it.
They are not used to keeping up with it, so it gets hung on a shelf while looking at soup, and they walk off from it hanging on the shelf
Or they have it hung on a grocery buggy, and that buggy has a wobbly wheel and don't roll right, so they leave the cane on the buggy they started with and grab a buggy that rolls better.

"Ma'am/Sir, you left your cane..." really embarrasses them, when someone brings them that cane left on shelf, buggy, wherever.

Yes, this is a "training" matter, just, well, phooey!
These elder folks have lived life, and more of it, and they did not live this long being stupid.

No, they are one of our best natural resources.
When you get in your 70's, 80's, or older, see how damn well you do with ADLs (activities of daily living).
Damn world has changed and not for the better in many cases ...


2. Yes, these persons can effectively use a aluminum adjustable cane.
Keep it simple.

The reality is, you and me, are not going to run off and leave a elderly person to predators.
Bad guys know and plan on this.

So have communications, and practiced plans. Even if you have to "fuss" (with respect) at a elderly person with cane, or walker.

Hang tags for handicapped parking are best, for too many reasons already discussed.
Still one is the ability to use that hang tag on your vehicle if need when taking a person out with physical limits, that has a handicapped parking tag.

i.e. Their sedan will not carry a chair, or maybe a park bench they want on the back porch.

Use your truck, with their hang tag, and park in handicapped when you take them to check out and get that chair, park bench, whatever...


You have practice plans on all this.

Which includes having used their aluminum cane/walker to stop a threat.

If you are standing near them, or assisting them with vehicle door, or curb, the most handy, or accessible tool might be their $12 aluminum adjustable drug store cane.



3. Young folks, even kids.
There are times, when one is healthy and whole, the option of using a cane is a good one.
Restrictive areas, including court houses and others, with metal detectors.

For ladies, again, it is more difficult to get them to use a cane. Still if they have one in the trunk of the car, it is a tool.

I have "convinced" or "talked them into it" by suggesting having a pair of tennis shoes and wearing them with a dress, skirt, with that cane. I also suggest one of those elastic knee wraps.

This seems to help the mental mindset of them "needing to use" a cane, even if they are 21 years old and in fine shape.

A 11 year old with a elastic knee wrap, or even Ace bandage over jeans at knee with their cane works too.
Soccer, baseball, softball, basekeball, you name it and kids get hurt.

This allows a kid options, as it does with the adults they are with.



The ones I had, were the ones with the tilde handle ( ~ ). I had a black, "bronze" and regular aluminum one.

Yes I used these, and I also could loan one to anyone, male or female, of any size, including teens and kids.

i.e. Courthouse where metal detectors check to make sure there are no weapons.

Getting a birth certificate from a State Health Dept, and by law, one cannot have weapons in buildings.
One has to park "here" and walk to building.

Yes, I have had 30 year old gals fuss, still they used the loaner cane. It takes two seconds to adjust it.
I have also had an 11 year old fuss and then once we were done with business say "ya know, this is pretty neat, can I have one of these canes of my own?".


So....
You might want to pick up one of these aluminum, adjustable canes and wring it out. Yes, wring it out to the point you break it.
You need to know what it can, and cannot do, and how it holds up.

Then get another for backup, having in the vehicle, as a loaner.
Plus, if serious shows up, you have an idea of what one of these is capable of, as you have actually wrung one out.

p35
June 9, 2009, 03:42 PM
Had to toss this up given sm's comments:
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20070201&slug=lighterfluid01m

The Police Guild bought him a new cane later.

Deltaboy
June 10, 2009, 10:06 AM
Hooray for Mr Jones and the Police guild who bought him a new cane. They should have got him a Stock cane they don't bend and rarely break.

stickwhistler
June 10, 2009, 12:03 PM
As people are showing their canes, I thought I'd show my latest cane.
Blackthorn - grown in my garden from seed about 5 years ago.

The head is a ball of seasoned ash - cut about 8 years ago,
and carved into a ball, which is glued and pinned into place.
I prefer a ball to any other shape because it always 'fits' when
I pick it up. You can't beat a good knob in the hand! :D
The paracord lanyard is tied underneath the ball so I don't drop
the cane when opening/closing gates and doors etc.
The whole cane was painted with black paint,
and 2 coats of yacht varnish added for protection.
This is my every day cane.

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m43/stickwhistler/IMG0001-3.jpg

Cane and piece left over from making the cane - see the spines!

This is the tree today - several potential sticks for next year.
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m43/stickwhistler/IMG0006-1.jpg

Close up of tree today - at least four sticks growing.
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m43/stickwhistler/IMG0007-1.jpg

The cane showing relationship to whole length of piece cut from tree.
Ball dia' 2 3/8" : Cane dia' at ball 1 1/4" : Cane dia' at bottom 1" : total length 36".
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m43/stickwhistler/IMG0003-2.jpg

Cocked & Locked
June 10, 2009, 12:27 PM
Nice stick! I'm envious :scrutiny:

bikerdoc
June 10, 2009, 01:12 PM
very nice, indeed.

Fred Fuller
June 10, 2009, 01:17 PM
Very nice stick, stickwhistler. Pray tell, where did you get your blackthorn seed?

lpl
====

Of all the trees that grow so fair,
Old England to adorn,
Greater are none beneath the Sun
Than Oak and Ash and Thorn. - Kipling, from the tales of Puck of Pook's Hill - http://www.goldenhindmusic.com/lyrics/OAKASHAN.html

stickwhistler
June 11, 2009, 02:57 AM
Blackthorn grows in the hedges that border roads
and field boundaries where we live, so the berries are easily found.

I wanted straight sticks, so planted the berries in compost,
and clipped any side shoots to force straight growth.
Blackthorn makes little thickets if left alone, which means
steaming to straighten into useful sticks, and the landowners
wouldn't like people diving into hedges etc to help themselves either.

There are probably seven or eight sticks growing from that
single individual blackthorn at the moment, about 4 of which
could be cut next year, and new shoots will be put out from
the root, and allowed to grow - clipping any side buds to make
the sticks grow straight, instead of branching out.
The birds are welcome to the berries that form until the sticks are cut,
which are then given to friends, relatives and visitors who want one.

Fred Fuller
June 11, 2009, 10:05 AM
Blackthorn grows in the hedges that border roads and field boundaries where we live

I take it you live somewhere in the UK, then? Blackthorn isn't common, at least hereabouts in the southeastern United States- though it will apparently grow here from what I can tell from looking around on the web. There seems to be more interest in it here for the sloes (berries) than for the sticks, for some strange reason :D. Something called "sloe gin" or something like that...

Anyone else here interested in finding a source for their own blackthorn? If so, and if I can find someplace to get it, I'll post it here.

lpl

bikerdoc
June 11, 2009, 11:57 AM
I am willing to give it a try.
Doc

maxxwilde
June 11, 2009, 12:12 PM
Anyone else here interested in finding a source for their own blackthorn? If so, and if I can find someplace to get it, I'll post it here.

lpl

Lee, I'm interested!


Mike

p35
June 11, 2009, 02:00 PM
I'm in.

Deltaboy
June 15, 2009, 04:32 PM
I am loving my Cold Steel Blackthorn walking stick. It has a nice heavy head. I added a rubber foot and a string loop to hold it when I need both hands.

xm21
June 15, 2009, 10:05 PM
I have an old book called Basic Stick Fighting For Combat by Mike Echanis.It has a good section on using a cane for self defense by Mikes Hwa Rang Do instructor.He uses the basic cane that does a 180 at the top for a handle.The curved handle is used extensively to hook legs and arms and such.

Dave Markowitz
June 20, 2009, 07:25 PM
I finally got a pic of the Blackthorn walking stick which I got a little while ago from Fashionable Canes.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c340/davemarkowitz/blackthorn.jpg

There's a metal tip underneath the rubber crutch tip, which the seller threw in.

sm
June 20, 2009, 07:31 PM
Dave,

Good looking cane!

conw
June 20, 2009, 07:37 PM
Looks much better than the $45ish one I got from Lollysmith (though I am fairly happy for the price). I would have saved up an extra $30 for that though. Good find.

Deltaboy
June 21, 2009, 09:38 AM
Good Looking Blackthorn cane!

JMusic
June 21, 2009, 10:09 AM
When you get serious look at 'Canemasters. Oh these are made from hickory. I am assuming the Blackthorn is much tougher wood.


Jim

Dave Markowitz
June 21, 2009, 06:31 PM
The blackthorn is tough and hard. I trimmed it to length using a hacksaw.

conw
June 21, 2009, 07:46 PM
I was looking at my Blackthorn stick from Lolly today again, and it's not *bad* but I just love the traditional looks with a ball on the end. Is that the actual rootball or is it glued/screwed on?

One thing in favor of my lolly cane is, it's REALLY thick and has nice knots all over it.

Dave Markowitz
June 21, 2009, 09:29 PM
On mine it's the actual root ball, all one piece.

Deltaboy
June 22, 2009, 06:11 PM
Those Blackthorn balls are as hard as a cue ball.

Phydeaux642
June 22, 2009, 09:21 PM
Here is a cane you can put together on the cheap. I used a 1" oak dowel rod, a 2" decorative wood ball found at a crafts store and a cane tip. I used a small dowel rod and wood glue between the two pieces to get them to stay together. After that was dry I sprayed some clear lacquer over it and slipped on the cane tip. Cost me about $6.50. I think I'll experiment with some different types of things to use as the handle on other dowel rods. Might be fun.

I guess if someone was a bit of an artist, they could lay down a nice paint job to set it apart from other canes.

bikerdoc
June 22, 2009, 10:17 PM
nice !!!!!!

sm
June 23, 2009, 12:54 AM
Phydeaux642,

You done good!

Check the drapery department for the rods and decorative ends for hanging drapes/curtains.

Keep an eye out for these at yard sales.

These come in both wood and metal, and some have more character than others.

Deltaboy
June 29, 2009, 10:20 AM
For us who played too hard in our teens and 20's Canes are our freinds.

JMusic
July 2, 2009, 03:49 PM
Guys when you learn to use a cane master properly it is more than a prod or a club. I never beside my weapon held in my hands such a devistating weapon. Look them up.


Jim

MikeJackmin
July 3, 2009, 12:14 PM
Here are some of the stockman's canes from Enasco, as suggested in this post (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=5658563&postcount=81).

http://ffmmov.com/canes.jpg

From left to right are a cold steel cane, a yard stick, the Elephant, the Extra Heavy, and the Medium stockman's canes. The medium has been doctored with a single coat of linseed oil, a washer for a foot, and a bit of yellow tape.

The only difference I see between the Elephant and the Extra Heavy is that the portion below the handle is round rather than octagonal (the handles of all three have an octagonal profile).

Nice sturdy canes, nothing fancy, seven or eight bucks each.

Deltaboy
August 15, 2009, 04:56 PM
Love my canes they keep me from falling on my face!

theotherwaldo
August 15, 2009, 07:15 PM
I don't carry a cane. It's a point of honor.

My doctor told me when I was six that I should get a cane to support and protect my fragile bones. It seems that my system refused to absorb most forms of calcium.

He also said (in my presence but not to me) that he expected me to be in a wheelchair before I was 12, and dead by 18. I refused to accept this.

The cane became a symbol of surrender. I wouldn't give in.

45 years later I still hate to carry a cane - even when I need to.

Deltaboy
August 15, 2009, 08:36 PM
Sorry to hear you got a bad hand dealt to you. I can understand why you don't use a cane any more than you have too. For me a right leg damaged by football and a 2 auto accidents has left me needing one from time to time so I embrase them as the most innocent of personal defense weapons that also keeps me from falling flat on my face when my right ankle pops out of joint.

theotherwaldo
August 15, 2009, 09:21 PM
Hey, I'm fine.

I suspect that the doctor's dead, though... .

Deltaboy
August 15, 2009, 09:45 PM
Know that is Funny!!!! Have a great weekend.

Clipper
August 15, 2009, 09:49 PM
I'm just getting into cane making. Just finished my first sheleligh type stick a couple days ago, made from a limb crotch and have been thinking of other things to use. Has anyone tried using an old or broken pool cue as a blank for a shaft?

Deltaboy
August 16, 2009, 09:01 PM
Nope, I have not; but it should work and post some pics when you do make one with a cue stick.

p35
August 17, 2009, 01:19 AM
I've been working on an old sledgehammer handle, but it's a little short for my height. Trying to add some big rubber thing to the bottom to extend it a little.

memphisjim
August 17, 2009, 01:48 AM
cedar is tough it will rattle your teeth trying to cut it down with an axe

Deltaboy
August 29, 2009, 11:46 PM
I love my stock cane the best so far.

plateshooter
August 30, 2009, 07:26 AM
Nice pics MikeJackmin. Does anyone have information on how to open up the crook on the type of canes that MikeJackmin posted? I would like to modify one to a more open hook with out cutting the end off of the horn.

Thanks

p35
August 30, 2009, 12:30 PM
They bend those hooks by steaming the wood. You should be able to steam it again and pull it out a bit. I'm no expert on the exact process, you might check some woodworking sites.

plateshooter
August 30, 2009, 06:43 PM
Thanks P35, I will check into that.

Deltaboy
August 31, 2009, 08:10 PM
Canes Rock!

JMusic
September 1, 2009, 11:24 AM
Some one said here about not using canes,if not needed, its not right. Whatever. Heres some Picks of a canemaster blackbelt. You can use canes for holds takedowns whatever, do so when you have a chance but this takes training. This is a good way to have a non lethal but devistating weapon with little training. Using this cane is more simular to using your rifle butt and bayonet, or hacksaw, plus all the usual functions. Some on else mentioned sticks, I like pool sticks and umbrelllas. Windshield squeezes.:D



Jim

SeekHer
September 1, 2009, 06:47 PM
A collector of canes is called an ambulist and I'm proud to say I am one...

One thing that is wrong is the definitions used...

A cane (curved or bent handle) comes to the wrist, a walking stick (No handle) comes to the elbow and a staff (either bent or straight) comes to the shoulder or higher...

Up until 1900 or so no self respecting gentleman would be seen on the street without a hat, a vest and his walking stick and canes were for invalids and the elderly...

A four foot length of Lathi cane, Cold Steel sells them, can be a lethal weapon...They are the common riot sticks for the Indian Army for the last 100 odd years...

I've got one stick of ˝" bamboo that I capped both ends with steel caps but before hand I slid a piece of rebar the full length -- which the caps are welded to...I also made one that I filled with BBs and capped both ends...

JMusic
September 2, 2009, 10:07 AM
seekher you little devil you.:D Some one mentionioned steaming the cane so the opening is larger. Thats a key in useing a cane properly. That is one thing I like about mine.


Jim

hso
September 2, 2009, 10:24 AM
I have found that there's enough additional length in the crook of a standard stock cane to allow them to be cut to open the crook.

Of course it's easiest to cut them on an angle instead of a square cut. :evil:

Deltaboy
September 3, 2009, 12:30 AM
I am looking at doing that with my stock cane.

Invisible Swordsman
September 3, 2009, 02:04 PM
That's what I did with my stock cane. That full hook just didn't look right. I took off about 2 1/2 inches and like it much better.

Invisible Swordsman
September 7, 2009, 12:50 PM
I found this on another web site. Don't know how well it works, but it might be worth a try if you don't want to cut back on the stock cane crook.
_____________________________________________

Many livestock feed stores sell canes at about one third the cost of a martial arts supply house. These are rough but blank canes which are used for herding stock. If the crook is too tight, boil it for some minutes and you will see it start to loosen. After it unfolds to where you want it, plunge it into ice water and “freeze” it again. Then sand and varnish it to your desire.
_______________________________________________

JVoutilainen
September 7, 2009, 04:36 PM
Yes, it works because boiling water (temperature) makes lignin - stuff that holds plant fibers together - malleable. When temperature is brought down it re solidifies. This is a commonly used technique in woodworking.

Deltaboy
September 26, 2009, 02:08 PM
Anybody got a new cane they want to show us?

Chuck_P
September 27, 2009, 07:48 AM
I just bought a carbon fiber cane (http://www.canemart.com/p/822-003-18/super_lightweight_carbon_fritz_cane.html) a few days ago. It won't make much of a weapon at only half a pound but it does take the pressure off my arthritis knees. Those old football injuries really do come back to haunt you when you get older.

I also have a hickory cane with a crook handle that would put a serious knot on someone's head if I ever had to swing it. Cane Mart, where I bought the carbon fiber cane, sells heavy duty canes too which are much thicker than a regular cane. You could bust a skull with those things so I would limit any swinging to the leg area or the hips.

It's possible to buy all sorts of canes including canes with swords in them. But that's a real good way to go to jail if you ever had to explain yourself to a LEO. That's not a good idea. The way I understand things if that you can have the swords sharpened too so that they are essentially the same as a rapier sword and not just a rapier type that only has a sharp point. Some of those canes can be sharpened at least half way up the blade. You're talking some very serious self defense with a weapon like that. But my state doesn't allow carrying any kind of a concealed weapon except a handgun. That doesn't really make sense but them's the rules.

This place sells the Blackthorn canes I saw someone ask about in this thread. It was an old post and I didn't read the whole thread so maybe he found what he was looking for anyway.

Mike U.
September 28, 2009, 01:12 AM
P35,

Ace Hardware or one of the Home Depot type stores have what your looking for. That is, the rubber slip on caps used on furniture legs. That's what I use on my sticks. They come in different sizes so you can take your stick and fit it right there.:)

conw
September 28, 2009, 01:41 AM
Chuck, the blackthorn items you are mentioning are actually authentic shillelaghs...they are 20-30" in length (from Cane Mart).

http://www.gutterfighting.org/coldsteel.html
http://www.gutterfighting.org/fstick.html
http://www.gutterfighting.org/Umbrella.html

Those 3 links are for your reading pleasure...since I saw you talking about "swinging" a cane I assumed you meant like a bat. The 3 links show much better ways of using them, which should work with your carbon fiber cane.

Clipper
October 9, 2009, 05:31 PM
Finally took some pics of my work. The first is a shillelagh I made from an unknown piece I have had drying in the garage for some years, and finally finished it for my wife. The second was an experiment, made from a hardwood dowel with a head of billet brass I had lying around. The third is my inaugural professional walking stick, with a walnut shaft, and stainless hardware. The top is polished on the bottom, and brushed on top, and the polished tip ending with a 45* point with a 1/8" flat. A nylon ring in the crutch tip protects the tip from the washer cast into the bottom of the crutch tip. The client saw my original, and wanted one of his own...

BTW, weight is 39.7oz, OAL 40"

Clipper
October 9, 2009, 05:37 PM
The third stick...

Coyote3855
October 9, 2009, 05:48 PM
Nice work, Clipper.

Deltaboy
October 11, 2009, 10:49 PM
Nice jobs Clipper!

Clipper
October 11, 2009, 11:24 PM
Thanks fellers. I'll have a couple more ready in a day or two. I'll post some pics...

Deltaboy
October 12, 2009, 12:04 PM
Cool I will be looking to see what you crank out.

P97
October 12, 2009, 05:34 PM
I just ordered one of the heavy Stock Canes. I have a nice oak cane, but it is awful light. I think I would like one of the heavy stock canes and sand and finish it.

ROGER4314
October 13, 2009, 01:16 AM
Before you could get a Texas CHL, I carried CANE MASTER units in Oak and Hickory. We walk the Texas beaches in areas that are very remote, isolated and accessible only by Jeep. The cane makes a dandy tool for flipping shells over and if needed, can serve to tune up a bad guy. Yes......the need has come up. Now that I carry a little buddy every day, the cane is just used as a shell flipper.

These are fine pieces of equipment and the VHS tapes the company markets are very effective. Having been around fighting all of my life, I am pretty hard to shock. The Cane Master tapes, however, made me wince! My gosh, that has to hurt! I recommend them to anyone who needs an effective self defense program and you can take your cane anywhere.

Flash

Clipper
October 13, 2009, 11:45 AM
Here's a cane and a walking stick I just finished. The cane is ash, and is from a dead tree, with lots of discoloration and shallow worm tracks that were beneath the bark, and a couple of small worm holes...In other words, lots of character! I made it for me, and it uses a pool cue bumper for the tip, with 6 coats of polycrylic. The walking stick is another piece of ash, with a couple of tiny worm holes and a couple shallow tracks. The top is a polished stainless ferule with a Guinness logo pool cue ball. This is steel supported 4" into the shaft. The tip is a 1" cane tip. Eight coats of poly. Both got a couple coats of paste wax too.

The cane, I haven't weighed yet, but is very light, and the stick weighs 25oz.

JMusic
October 13, 2009, 12:26 PM
I carried a 3 cell d size mag light in my day. It was the largest weapon I've carried. But it did fail on me a couple times. I have the BB, and you have much more capability. I haven't taken any courses but it has slash and
rake capabilities when using two hands. Far above the capabilities of the stick or knife. Here's a shoot of the hook or top.



Jim

JMusic
October 13, 2009, 03:25 PM
I'm having problems attatching I,ll get it in the next few days. What I want to show is the design with defensive to offensive tactics in mind.


Jim

wuluf
October 15, 2009, 08:21 PM
Thanks to all for this thread and others like it. I bought a hawthorn root cane from Whistle Creek:

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/whistlecreek_2074_6917009

It came yesterday and it's solid and heavy! Mine looks a great deal like the one pictured. Great cane and thanks again for the help, Rob

Kydaviddoyle
October 17, 2009, 12:45 AM
Hi Guys,

Great discussion. I've been working on pulling together some cane info. on a web page.

I did put up a review / notes of:
Martial Cane Concepts - A Realistic System of Walking Stick Self-Defense
by Michael D. Janich

https://sites.google.com/site/davidcanesite/videos/review-note_martial_cane_concepts

Main page
https://sites.google.com/site/davidcanesite/home

One really nice thing is you can rent it from http://goldstarvideo.com/title/935 for $8 for 30 days.

Please note I don't make any money from goldstar or sell of the video.

Please let me know if you have any good links or info.

Take Care
David

JShirley
October 17, 2009, 01:11 AM
Welcome to THR, David.

John

SeekHer
October 17, 2009, 03:10 AM
My friend just showed me the one he rebuilt...He had an old wooden handled ripping/framing hammer, the one with the straight not bent nail puller in a 20 or 22 ounce weight that got chewed on by a porcupine so there was hardly anything left when he removed the stub of wood and inserted a 44" piece of very old (100+ yrs and true dimension) 2x4 fir stud that he shaped to fit the eye...He then took it to the lathe and rounded the portion exposed to around 1 7/16 ths inch, turned down the last 3/4 inch to except a brass ferrule, assembled it and is calling it his modern war hammer cane...He took some of that "Grip Tape" that cushions and prevents slipping--looks like leather--and wrapped all the metal with it to a) make it comfortable and b) to camouflage not disguise it...

Quite comfortable to handle, the wood is very dense and heavy and I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of that head hitting with the additional leverage of the longer shaft...I doubt he'll use it on the streets as a walking stick but it was a nice project to kill time during this very heavy snowfall that's preventing us from hunting...

Deltaboy
October 18, 2009, 11:36 PM
I will have to make me a Hammer head Walking stick soon.

Clipper
November 9, 2009, 07:58 PM
A question for you guys. I'm working on a piece of white oak that's been drying all summer, but the bark is really hard to remove! I've been belt sanding this thing for hours, and the stuff is taking forever! I don't want to go with too agressive a belt, so I don't leave a ton of finish sanding to get it smooth again, and wondered if anyone has a technique for removal, or at least losening the bark up?

Deltaboy
November 19, 2009, 09:13 PM
Soak it in water !

JMusic
November 20, 2009, 06:48 PM
Here's a black belt hickory from cane masters. I know how to use a multitude of hand weapons and except for a sword this is it.



Jim

JMusic
November 20, 2009, 07:02 PM
Comparison between drug store cane and fighting cane. the old one was my grandfathers made from walnut. I've stick and cane use for years but cane masters set the bar for non metallic tipped canes. This cane has gone through several airports and spent 30 days with me in Cleveland, which I was advised to not go out at night. Well I did and had a couple probes but no takers. I think the cane was a big part of that along with awareness.


Jim

JMusic
November 21, 2009, 07:21 PM
Just let me ask, do people know the difference between a cane and a club. And do people understand any cane with metal will be confiscated at an airport. You need a lot of mass and cutting points. I may be misunderstanding what you are talking about but understand my viewpoint. I have scene people pounded like tent stakes and they were not phased. It was an eventual choke out that worked. It takes devastating injuries to critical areas to win. I always looked at it this way. I didn't ask for it and these *********s pushed it. :evil:

Jim

Clipper
November 21, 2009, 08:09 PM
I'd like to see the canes confiscated at airports...Perhaps you have some pics to share? No? I didn't think so. Unless it's an already illegal sword cane, or something with hidden storage, ADA covers it. I have a walking stick with a stainless steel ferule supporting a pool cue ball top which will accompany me to DC for the 2A march in April '10.

Carl Levitian
November 22, 2009, 06:59 AM
I have one blackthorn stick I bought in England in 1982 that has an iron ferule on the bottom and a Blackthorn knobby handle stick with a brass ferule bought in Ireland in 1986. Both have been through many many airport security checks since 9-11. No problems with either. Both do have a rubber end tip from Lowes on them for non slip on pavement. All they ever do is X-ry them to make sure there's nothing inside of them. They hand the stick right back to me after I walk through the metal detector.

I've never seen any wooden ealking stick or cane confiscated at an airport, unless as said it was a sword cane or something. I don't think anyone would be that stupid to try to get one of thoe things past even the TSA Deputy Fife's.

Invisible Swordsman
November 22, 2009, 08:24 PM
From the Canton, Ohio Repository:

"November 18, 2009
Section: canton


Canton man accused of beating woman with her deceased mother's cane
Lori Monsewicz
CantonRep.com staff writer

The boyfriend of a woman severely beaten with her dead mother's cane has been charged in the attack and jailed in lieu of more than a half million dollars bond.

Richard Crawley, 45, of 1219 Dueber Ave. SW, was initially arrested Nov. 12 on a warrant charging him with having weapons under disability. The charge stems from a 2006 conviction on a domestic violence charge, one that had been reduced from felonious assault.

Crawley was charged additionally on Wednesday with felonious assault, according to Stark County Court records. Jail records listed his total bond at $550,000.

Crawley is accused of having beaten Kathleen Jester, 45, at their home with her deceased mother's cane on Nov. 11.

When her 14-year-old son, Zackary Hughes, did not show up for school the day after the assault, police issued a news release announcing that they were looking for the boy.

Sgt. Eric Risner of the Canton Police Department's Detective Bureau said the young man arrived home where police met him later that night. Child Protective Services was notified, Risner said.

At the time, Jester was listed in Aultman Hospital's Intensive Care Unit. She has since been released, Risner said.

Details of events leading up to her assault were not available."


While there is no information about the cane used, it presumably didn't have to have cutting points to be effective and put her in intensive care. It's unlikely her mother's cane would have been weaponized.

Carl Levitian
November 22, 2009, 10:11 PM
"While there is no information about the cane used, it presumably didn't have to have cutting points to be effective and put her in intensive care. It's unlikely her mother's cane would have been weaponized. "



Never underestimate the medical supply wooden cane. They have a medical supply near me, and the plain jane wood canes are tagged as being ash. Thats a nice reiliant wood, not to mention the wood that louisville sluggers are made from.

hso
November 23, 2009, 12:31 AM
You don't have to have "cutting points" to be "effective".

How, how long, and to what part of the body you apply the cane to determines most of the results. And whether the cane withstands the stress of being used.

Canes and sticks have been used to maim and kill for thousands of years and they didn't require modification to be effective. You don't find such fanciful modern features on canes, sticks, staves and staffs from the ages where they were primary weapons, nor from more rural/remote places in this modern era, so what makes any of us think that they're essential to maim and kill today?

Deltaboy
November 23, 2009, 11:14 AM
You can open up a #10 can of Whoop with a standard 36 inch by 1 inch oak dowel rod.

Cane are still quite effective if you inclined to use it on someone.

JMusic
November 23, 2009, 01:44 PM
Yeah, you guys are right it's more stick fighting vs clubbing. Its the difference between a trained and non-trained victim. I've used them all and PR 24 has to take the award. But I too like straight sticks. I've used pool sticks on a few occasions to some success. But I don't necessarily use a straight stick as a club, as with a cane. It's really stick fighting; this type of fighting should be taught in gym class. We would be a stronger country for it.


Jim

lloveless
November 25, 2009, 12:57 PM
Ok, I received (Monday) my medium wt stock cane from NASCO $18.53 (shipping was more than the cane). How long to boil open the crook? I'll tell ya, less than 5 minutes! All righty then. All I need now is the rubber tip and I am good to go! Thanks guys for all the info. I tried the wooden dowel thing but could't find an appropriate wooden ball for it and I have no means to make or drill one at present. I'll try that another time.
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JMusic
November 26, 2009, 04:57 PM
Well delta boy maybe. You have to understand what you have come up against. Defensive canes are made to make injuries beyond a simple stick or your drug store cane. I don't care what you use but I do know the best thing to have in your hand when misunderstandings come to blows.



Jim

Deltaboy
November 26, 2009, 11:30 PM
No problem, I carry several levels of defensive items: AO knife, pepper spray, cane , and a 38.

The Cane goes places the rest of them can't.

Deltaboy
January 4, 2010, 12:10 AM
BUMP

ArfinGreebly
January 4, 2010, 01:55 AM
Well, it's not a "cane" per se, but Xmas was kind and I now have a dapper little umbrella (http://www.real-self-defense.com/unbreakable_umbrella.html).
121947
121948

With any luck, I won't get the opportunity to field test it under stress conditions.

That said, I must observe that it's got a really nice heft and balance for an umbrella. In fact, it has a nice heft & balance as a cane.

Unusual for an umbrella. But nice.

Clipper
January 4, 2010, 08:20 AM
I've recently finished a few new fighters...One in hickory, one cherry, one hickory-walnut laminate and one in maple. All are steel cored, and have stainless tips, with stainless ferules with cue ball tops (specialty tops with sports logos and such). Tops and tips are joined to the steel core. I'll get pics up soon, but it's just too doggone cold out right now...

Deltaboy
January 4, 2010, 11:55 PM
I will be looking forward to those Pics!

Skillet
January 5, 2010, 11:02 PM
anybody ever thought of a cane that has a deep hole drilled in the top that you can fit a nice pen into? then maybe build the rest of the cane to fit the pen or something? reminds me of those harry potter movies with the one long haired mean guy with the wand in the top of the cane. Like that idea, jut smaller to fit a pen.

It would be pretty cool.

Carl Levitian
January 6, 2010, 12:43 AM
Be very careful with steel cores in canes/walking sticks. In a lot of juristictions that will classify as a 'loaded' club. Deep hot water if caught trying to get through security.

Deltaboy
January 7, 2010, 11:22 AM
I Agree Carl Down here in the Deep South the Lawdogs would frown on that if they caught you with one after you hit someone with it.

bikerdoc
January 7, 2010, 11:24 AM
Yep, thats a no no here also.

glistam
January 7, 2010, 09:12 PM
I was at a local antique shop the other day that had some old school fighting canes. Not sure of the wood used in the shaft, but the handles were hollow steel or iron spheres, slightly larger than a golfball but smaller than a billiard ball. The foot is rubber but has a steel "lip" just above it that protrudes outwards. I'm guess it's designed to look like a normal rubber foot from a distance, but if used for a swinging strike, the lip is the point of impact.

Didn't buy though, the bloke wants $150 or so and the things are rusted to hell and reek of mothballs.

Deltaboy
January 8, 2010, 11:47 PM
I don't Blame you that is really steep price to me.

P97
January 9, 2010, 06:50 PM
lloveless, I got one of the Stock Canes like you got, only the heavy one. I cut about 21/2" off the end of the crook and rounded off where I cut. Sanded the Cane until it was good and smooth. Put one light coat of Golden Oak stain on it, then started the Boiled Linseed Oil treatment on it. Very light coat rubbed in, every hour for a day. Then every day for a week, every week for a month, once a month for a year. I'm doing the once a week, but ready to start once a month. The Cane is Beautiful and is a very good cane for walking or defense.

Clipper
January 9, 2010, 07:22 PM
I was at a local antique shop the other day that had some old school fighting canes. Not sure of the wood used in the shaft, but the handles were hollow steel or iron spheres, slightly larger than a golfball but smaller than a billiard ball. The foot is rubber but has a steel "lip" just above it that protrudes outwards. I'm guess it's designed to look like a normal rubber foot from a distance, but if used for a swinging strike, the lip is the point of impact.

Didn't buy though, the bloke wants $150 or so and the things are rusted to hell and reek of mothballs.

Geez...The most expensive one I make is $150.00...At least it's new and won't rust. Maybe I'm not asking enough...

glistam
January 9, 2010, 07:42 PM
Geez...The most expensive one I make is $150.00...At least it's new and won't rust. Maybe I'm not asking enough...

nah, this guy is out of his gourd if you ask me. Everything in his stall is overpriced.

Clipper
January 9, 2010, 07:45 PM
Just trying to make funny...

conw
January 9, 2010, 10:50 PM
clipper, have you posted up any pics on THR?

Clipper
January 10, 2010, 07:30 AM
There are a couple in the earlier pages of this thread. I have a few in various stages I haven't photographed yet, as I have to get out to the garage and make the top collars (BRRrrrrr!).

Nematocyst
March 20, 2010, 03:19 PM
OK, I'm here.
I've only read the first page so far - good stuff -
but will read the remainder this weekend.

First eskrima (http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=506569), now canes.
What can I say: I just like sticks.

After practicing with and carrying a kali stick for a month,
I came to understand that I want a longer one for a walking stick
when I'm out hiking.

A cane seems like just the ticket.

Here to learn ...

Nem

shockwave
March 20, 2010, 04:47 PM
The cane can be a devastating weapon, particularly when used in the spirit of a quarterstaff, with both hands holding it for hard jabs, rakes, and hooks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAvFSeRu1ds). The natural inclination is to want to swing it but in close quarters it seems to work better as a kind of lever and a jabbing weapon so you can get your entire weight behind it.

Nematocyst
March 20, 2010, 07:23 PM
After hours of search today in Oregon's second largest city, I've learned that there's no hardwood canes here in commercial shops.
(Well, one, but it was not good wood.) I checked medical supply companies, hobby shops, outdoor equipment shops, etc.
(Where else would one look?)

So, just for ***** and giggles, I bought a hardwood garden tool handle and cut it off to 36",
just to have something to handle a bit, play with balance, etc to see what a 36" stick feels like.

I've got a couple of leads about where I might find real canes in town -
private vendors who frequent the Saturday market which starts next week. I'll keep looking.

So far, I'm finding that shipping charges for canes are outrageous - $15 - $25, presumably because of their odd shape.

308win
March 20, 2010, 07:54 PM
Check farm supply stores, feed stores, etc. (if they have that kind of store in Oregon's second largest city).

Deltaboy
March 20, 2010, 10:51 PM
Most Farm stores carry nice hardwood canes for stock shows.

shockwave
March 20, 2010, 11:38 PM
(Where else would one look?)

You want to get one of this type (http://www.earthworks.com/martialart/canes/canes.htm). They are made for combat. What you're looking for is a sharpened edge at the end of the crook.

Nematocyst
March 21, 2010, 12:43 AM
Farm supply stores! Wow. Duh. Would never have thought of it.

Double duh because that's exactly where I bought my garden handle that got cut to 36".

There's one within 10 blocks of me.

They're closed now or I'd run over. But first thing tomorrow. I'll at least go look, but before I buy, I need to finish reading this thread, and I don't know if that's going to happen tonight. (I got called into work a while ago.)

I also want to contemplate Shockwave's suggestion/caveat that I want a combat cane. I'm not disputing that - I know I do - but the question is, to start with?

I have CaneMaster bookmarked. I've spent hours already over the last few days reading their site, watching their videos, etc. I've also spent a fair amount of time on C Davis Group's site (http://store.cdavisgroup.com/index.php), reading about canes and instructional material. I find a fondness for one of their hardened rattans (http://store.cdavisgroup.com/combat-canes-and-sticks/combat-canes/hardened-rattan-cane/prod_2.html), but don't quite know the pros and cons yet. (Why do I have a gut level feeling that I'm going to wind up with more than one cane? :rolleyes: )

Now, one more word about that 36" garden tool handle. I started off on my afternoon walk earlier - four hours with a full day pack, including layers, water, food ... it's part of my training regimen for ... well, never mind. I'm just training.

Anyway, I got about 1/4 mi into my walk, turned around and went back for my 28" stick. The 36" straight stick just wasn't working for me; too short to be useful as a walking stick, too long to feel right as a kali.

Within an hour, it'll be a 32" ... something ... long kali? (Just an experiment, purists; just an experiment.)

If I'm going to have a walking stick, it needs to be at least 40", maybe 44".

A cane on the other hand, yeah, with a handle, 36" will work.

Hey, you might say I'm hooked.

<rim shot> badda boom.

Nematocyst
March 21, 2010, 01:52 AM
At work. Getting it done, but taking a break.

One quick point: the moving images in the banner of CaneMasters web site
makes me not want to buy anything from them. :mad:

All that movement is very distracting and adds nothing! (Hello!?)

Sorry for the rant.

grumps
March 21, 2010, 09:17 AM
Here is a link to an inexpensive stock cane. with shipping should be under $20.

http://www.enasco.com/product/C07436N

You can soak the crook and heat with a heat gun/paint stripper till it gets hot, straighten it, and cut the excess off the handle if you wish. There are others on that site but this one seems to be the strongest.

308win
March 21, 2010, 10:17 AM
Could a cane be made of bamboo and where would one get green bamboo in columbus Ohio?

Nematocyst
March 22, 2010, 02:10 AM
Thanks for the link, Grumps.

Before ordering online, I'm going to exhaust local sources
to save shipping. Besides, I like to fondle before I buy.

Went to that farm store this afternoon.

They indeed did have stock canes, and for a good price ($11), but they were pretty soft wood;
not sure what, but definitely not hickory or oak. I passed on it.

But they gave me several other leads in town for stock canes.
I'll check later in the week.

And, I found a great pair of hiking boots there by Carhartt
(made by Redwing), so the trip wasn't a total loss. :)

P97
March 22, 2010, 09:05 AM
I ordered a Stock Cane from a Farm Supply Online. It was a heavy duty Hickory Cane. The Crook was too far rounded and it was unfinished. I cut about 1 1/2" off the crook and reshaped the end. I sanded the cane and finished it. I started with a coat of Golden Oak Stain, then linseed oil until the cane started to quit absorbing it, then switched to Tung Oil. After a few thin coats of it the cane looked beautiful. Then I put a couple of thin coats of Extra Hard Turtle Wax on it. It is Heavy, Beautiful, and goes with me everywhere. It goes where my CCW cant go. Even inside Courtrooms and places where there's metal detectors and extra security. I have to have it to get around. :)

hso
March 22, 2010, 09:18 AM
I no longer recommend getting the Canemaster canes, even though I own one, because a carefully selected hickory stock can can be had at a quarter of the cost, provides a stout striking and jabbing tool and the vast majority of people are not going to get the training to use the hooking techniques. If you want a point on the end of the crook it is a trivial task to simply cut the crook near the tip at an angle to provide the point. Of you want to enhance the griping of the can you can file shallow grooves in the can yourself.

On the other hand, if you want to study the trapping and throwing techniques a crook top cane will permit you should study with a qualified trainer using a training cane with a broad opened crook and rounded tip to facilitate safe training. Then you might want to consider buying the Canemaster canes.

Deltaboy
March 24, 2010, 07:21 PM
I agree HSO they are charging way too much IMO.

Nematocyst
March 27, 2010, 08:41 PM
Haven't progressed very far in finding a cane, because I got overwhelmed with some big changes at work this week.

Well, ok, let me say that differently: I've decided to quit my job and move on to another one. Since I'm the boss, that's turning out to be a little more time consuming than I'd prefer; reinventing myself professionally in a time of economic collapse (did I write that?) is not quite what I'd intended to be doing this year. But que sera and ce la vi (Spanish & French for "whatever"). It's what I get for going into business for myself. (WT ... was I thinking?)

So, I'm pretty busy, and will be for a while. There will be times in coming months when I'm not around here much.

But I digress.

In lieu of a cane for now - not entirely sure i'm ready for one just yet - I've pulled out my backpacking walking stick and started using it for long walks and training hikes in town.

Now, admittedly, my "stick" is a high tech piece of mountaineering wizard gear. It's a Black Diamond Alpine CF Flintlock (http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Trekking%20Poles/Poles/Black%20Diamond%20Alpine%20CF/Andrew%20Buskov/Test%20Report%20by%20Andrew%20Buskov/), aka "trekking pole".

Trekking poles are often used in pairs. Not me. I use a single; only own one. I admit I don't use mine as so much to "trek" - I walk a lot faster without a pole on level ground - but as a stabilizer third leg when on uneven terrain, especially going down slope.

It works better for me, a backpacker who does class 4 (off trail scrambling) than a fixed length pole. I can collapse this one (three telescoping sections) and put it on the side of my day or multi-day packs. It also serves as a tarp pole for ultralight.

So, what I learned years ago while messing around in camp, it can be a formidable weapon. The bottom tip is carbide & about 1-2 mm in diameter. Using a thrust like one would use with a cane, I can drive it firmly into a log with the consistency of a human abdomen or the space between ribs. If it hits ribs - or any other bones - it's going to do considerable damage.

And the pole is very tough & sturdy. Here's a paragraph from that review above about the telescoping locking mechanism, the flintlock:

Here's the kicker; at no point in time has the Flicklock mechanism slipped to date! I've had considerable weight on these poles while descending troublesome terrain and not once have I felt as if the poles were unstable, or that I couldn't put more weight on them for fear of failure. These poles are rock solid! I've got to be honest, I've tried everything I can think of to try and get these poles to slip. I even did a little experiment where I stood on a scale and distributed 2/3 of my weight to the poles. That's 75 lbs (34 kg) per pole without even the slightest inkling that they were going to give. Thus, when you thrust with it, it's like you've got a piece of hardwood in your hand that has a tiny carbide tip at the end.

And of course, it's totally legal, and raises no eye brows. I regularly walk past police cars who notice me.

I hope to never need it as a weapon, but I'll confess to feeling a bit safer when it's in tow, especially while walking around the river banks in town where homeless are camping.

And my kali stick - er, backup dog stick (for both 2- and 4-legged dogs) is strapped to my pack reachable by a backward grab. Ah, yes, even safer still.

PS: Apologies to Deltaboy and others for a temporary cane thread hijack to discuss a trekking pole (tp). I'm not trying to convert the topic here. Maybe there's already a thread devoted to that - tp's as weapons. (And hey, if there's not, maybe I'll start one. ;) ) My main point here was, I learned that a technique that I learned by accident on camping trips with my tp - thrusting - is a common cane technique.

Steel Talon
March 30, 2010, 04:34 PM
Could a cane be made of bamboo and where would one get green bamboo in columbus Ohio?

308 win.

Yes, bamboo makes a wickedly srong liteweight cane or a bastone.Where to find it in oyur area???? Maybe call a plant nursery..

ST~

Steel Talon
March 30, 2010, 04:41 PM
Crook Neck stock canes are a great affordable choice for hickory. Cut the crook down to a "duckbill" slope for hooking and grind in on the shaft some gripping curfs. I like to stain mine in the darker colors. When dark it seems to me it's less noticable as a combat wespon

308win
March 30, 2010, 04:45 PM
Yes, bamboo makes a wickedly srong liteweight cane or a bastone.Where to find it in oyur area???? Maybe call a plant nursery..

If I were able to get my hands on green bamboo: 1) What would be the optimal diameter; and 2) Would I be able to put a crook in it by simply soaking the last 10 - 12 inches (or whatever it took) in boiling water then forming it around a jig arrangement and letting it dry?

Nematocyst
March 30, 2010, 09:41 PM
Cut the crook down to a "duckbill" slope for hooking ... Talon, can you offer a bit more description of that "duckbill slope". I'm not quite getting the image yet ...

Deltaboy
March 30, 2010, 09:48 PM
Keep you canes pics coming !

Clipper
March 30, 2010, 10:59 PM
I finally got off my butt and listed these walking sticks today, so I finally have pics of them to post here. All but one are steel-cored. Woods are Maple, hickory, ash, cherry, and one is a Hickory-Walnut laminate.

Clipper
March 30, 2010, 11:06 PM
Two more...

Clipper
March 30, 2010, 11:15 PM
...And this one is really cool. The tip shape is typical of all but the rustic stick with the Guinness head, which is not steel cored Though the top is bonded to a 4" steel insert), and simply has a crutch tip over the wood...

roundoff
April 3, 2010, 03:06 PM
I just ordered one of the medium-weight stock canes from enasco.com. I definitely plan to trim the crook - perhaps other modifications will be in order. We'll see.

Deltaboy
April 3, 2010, 11:21 PM
Good I love my Stock cane I got at the Feed store.

roundoff
April 10, 2010, 09:34 AM
Got my cane yesterday. It seems like a good length, but definitely too much crook. I also need to put some kind of finish on it - I think I saw some posts earlier in the thread about linseed oil. I guess I need to do some research on this. Any suggestions?

conw
April 10, 2010, 01:18 PM
Plenty of options, a light stain like golden oak looks good, and you can also put semi gloss poly coat over that.

Clipper
April 10, 2010, 01:21 PM
About the most durable and toughest finish I have found is Varathane Spar Urethane.

roundoff
April 10, 2010, 02:22 PM
The varathane spray looks quick and convenient. Any tips for getting an even coat? My first thought is to hang it up and spray from all sides.

PH/CIB
April 10, 2010, 02:22 PM
If you guys really want to know how to use the cane for self defense just watch some of the old re runs of the Avenger series on TV, Steed always used a cane or an umbrella, I can't remember which because I was too busy drooling over Diana Rigg!

Or be a real tough guy and get a crutch, remember the movie, "Day of the Jackal"

Or a real man and carry a staff,,,like Little John and Robin Hood!

308win
April 10, 2010, 02:51 PM
If you use linseed oil get boiled and you may want to get some Japan drier to mix with it. A little linseed goes a long way and you want to make sure it is dry between coats or it will get gummy/tacky.

Cocked & Locked
April 10, 2010, 06:19 PM
If you use linseed oil get boiled...

Yes, boiled linseed oil. That's my preference as the varnish/polyurethane type finishes chip and scratch eventually. The boiled linseed oil finish is easy to touch up small areas and keep on going. That's why it was a preferred gunstock finish for a looong time.

JMusic
April 12, 2010, 02:30 PM
I have to pitch in. I saw a cane masters used 6-7 years ago. I am a stick fighter. Once I realized they would go through the airports i use my black belt cane extensively. I have used it a couple times against redneck friends out of control. and was allowed to completely control the person without undo injury. Canes , flashlights, kubatons tonfas big knives. My friends have opened my eyes.

Nematocyst
April 16, 2010, 05:54 AM
Someone famous once said,
Walk softly, but carry a big stick.

roundoff
April 20, 2010, 10:22 PM
OK, I just finished boiling open the crook of my stock cane - no problems. Now I need to finish it. I like the idea of the boiled linseed oil, but someone posted a few pages back that it takes many months of regular application to fully impregnate the wood. :( Or is it just that it is an ongoing maintenance of the wood?

7X57chilmau
April 21, 2010, 08:46 AM
I usually use raw linseed oil... One coat a day for a week, one a week for a month, one a month for a year, once a year forever.

Just rub some on, then buff off a while later. It's easy and almost addicting. Wood will glow after each application.

J

Mike U.
April 22, 2010, 12:04 AM
roundoff,

Can you tell what type of wood yours is?

I've been looking at those enasco sticks, but, cannot find any info on the wood type.

hso
April 22, 2010, 09:07 AM
You have to be particular about your stock canes because they'll run up batches in different woods for the economy.

308win
April 22, 2010, 09:10 AM
If the cane has a good grain structure and you aren't looking for a specific wood any hardwood should suffice - shouldn't it?

roundoff
April 23, 2010, 03:12 PM
I can't tell what kind of wood it is just by looking. It's a light-colored, unfinished wood, obviously hardwood. According to some dude on another forum (http://edcforums.com/showthread.php/56757-Walking-sticks-canes-umbrellas-etc./page7), it's made of hickory.

KSDeputy
April 29, 2010, 07:35 PM
One worked out fine for Bat Masterson. I use a metal cane. I also carry a 4" assisted opening knife. When I go somewhere where they don't allow my .45, i still have my cane and knife. If I go somewhere where they won't allow my .45 or my knife, I still have my metal cane. It is good for self defense, and quickly breaking collar bones. :)

Nematocyst
April 30, 2010, 02:01 AM
KSDeputy, which metal one do you use?

Hollow tube?

shanksalot
May 12, 2010, 03:02 PM
take a composite golf from the thrift store.
cut the head off .
i have a sharpened spike down mine-
30" long. simple handle.
put together its a spear.
the handle supports a sling and launches arrows.
cheap light easy.

Rawb77
May 12, 2010, 03:49 PM
All of this talk about canes reminds me of a song. Many of you older gents will recognize this immediately!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQgXccbxHbM

Enjoy and reminisce!

7X57chilmau
May 12, 2010, 03:53 PM
Shanksalot:

Your cane probably meets the definition for a sword cane (swords needn't have edges). While legal in some places, it may not be legal where you are.... Check yer laws before you get an ugly surprise.

Otherwise, nice innovative use of materials!

J

Cocked & Locked
May 12, 2010, 03:57 PM
take a composite golf from the thrift store.
cut the head off .
i have a sharpened spike down mine-
30" long. simple handle.
put together its a spear.
the handle supports a sling and launches arrows.
cheap light easy.

got a picture of that? :scrutiny:

shanksalot
May 12, 2010, 05:04 PM
so i'm cripped up with fibromyalgia. 55 - i live by the park in downtown phoenix. doc #059789 -no convictions since 1974..and yeah-i still fashion shanks. and the local park is much like the old prison yard these days..
now all i need to do is walk over to the pharmacy, get back with my agitation pills and a malt liguor. past the loose pit bulls, and whatever other brand of threat that one can encounter in the hood..and i stroll past all kinds of cops all the time. i'm going about my lawful business.
i got other things to stick in the composite shaft. or just have in my back pocket.small gardening blades
and nasty little rakes ..a 4" masonry trowel.. its good for a flail type weapon also. or just clip the tip ala punji stick,. -
keep your small spearhead on a keychain -slip that on the shaft -
we're just talkin bout shaft.
point was -a nifty cane is a sawed off golf club .

Nematocyst
May 12, 2010, 05:53 PM
i live by the park in downtown phoenix. ...
and the local park is much like the old prison yard these days..I'm hearing that Phoenix is one of the most dangerous cities in the US right now.

If I lived there, I'd probably be carrying a rocket launcher in that modified golf club. :scrutiny:

It's an interesting concept. I'd also like to see some pics if you can arrange it.

I'm curious about the 30" length, though; seems short for a cane. I'd need 36".

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