Maryland republicrat speaks out against assault rifles


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gun-fucious
October 16, 2003, 07:30 AM
http://www.thetentacle.com/Articles_Oct/Oct8_article1.html
Guns And Gun Violence
Richard B. Weldon Jr.
October 8, 2003

Two of my colleagues from the General Assembly, Sen. Rob Garagiola (D.,
Montgomery) and Del. Neil Quinter (D., Howard), have resurrected the bill to
ban assault-style weapons in Maryland.

They suggest that Maryland cannot depend on the Republican-controlled U. S.
Congress to extend the current assault weapons ban. They also suggest that
the federal ban does not include all of the weapons it should, most notably
the Bushmaster.

It's all in the name. The Bushmaster is the commercial name for a
semi-automatic rifle that resembles a military rifle. The Bushmaster would
probably have escaped our attention had it not been for John Mohamed and Lee
Malvo.

Last year, these two perpetrated a series of horrific crimes, randomly
killing innocent victims with a Bushmaster rifle. They could just as easily
(maybe even more easily) committed these crimes with any other commercially
available semi-automatic or single shot long gun.

As long as sick, twisted criminals have used guns in the commission of
crimes, we've had legislators argue for the banning or restriction of
firearms. The logic is that if we ban the guns, we'll save lives.

As is the case in almost every political argument, both sides of the
question can point to studies and analyses that support their particular
argument. Clearly, if we were actually able to prevent guns from getting
into the hands of violent and dangerous people, fewer people would be hurt
or killed by gunfire.

Unfortunately, that presumes that criminals will respect laws governing
acquisition and ownership of banned or regulated weapons. In case after
case, in jurisdictions with some of the most prohibitive firearms
regulations, we see that there is no rational connection between
restrictions in ownership and reductions in gun violence.

I hear opponents of regulation cite the constitutional protection of
firearms ownership as the basis for rejecting firearms regulations. I
personally don't subscribe to that theory. When the framers drafted that
language, they were contemplating the possession of black powder guns, and
they were concerned about an overly powerful central government ignoring the
will of the people, necessitating armed resistance.

I wonder if they would have included protections for the possession of fully
automatic weapons, or bullets designed to pierce the vests worn by law
enforcement officers. I'm no conspiracy theorist, so you can't sell me on
the idea that I need that kind of protection from our local police.

I'm looking for the logical, rational public policy debate on this question.
Don't trot out the line of victims as an excuse to implement poorly
conceived public policy.

I can tell that Sarah Brady is a good woman, and I was deeply saddened by
the shooting and crippling of her husband Jim, President Reagan's press
secretary. Unfortunately, I don't think she is an effective spokesperson.
Her politicization of the issue of gun control has severely limited her
credibility as a voice for change. Liberals who attack sportsmen because
they either don't understand the sport or don't want to see animal
populations managed this way demonstrate a dangerous ignorance of how others
choose to live.

Likewise, don't shout about what Jefferson, Adams, and Franklin meant by the
Second Amendment. We weren't there, and they aren't here. I fail to see how
owning a street sweeper, a shotgun with a large cartridge capable of a high
rate of fire, is necessary for personal protection. You won't be deer
hunting with a compact machine gun, because the venison would be so full of
lead that you couldn't chew a mouthful without losing some teeth.

Instead, why can't we engage in a meaningful, substantive debate on how we
protect our safety while ensuring the rights of law abiding gun owners?
Technology and information can be an asset in this discussion.

We can look at the entire range of thought, from states with concealed carry
laws to the most restrictive firearms regulations. We can analyze statistics
on how effective the current crop of laws has been in combating violence.


We can debate why our enforcement of existing law is so random and
lackadaisical. We can determine the usefulness of certain weapons that have
as their principle use the killing of as many people as possible in the
shortest possible time.

Urban legislators see this problem very differently than the rural
legislators do. Unfortunately, urban legislators represent the bulk of
Maryland's population, so they control large blocks of votes in the Maryland
House and Senate.

Often, our urban colleagues view rural legislators with disdain. I recall a
floor debate on the question of requiring a driver to move out of the left
lane when begin overtaken by another driver. An urban legislator referred to
Del. Kevin Kelly (D., Alleghany) as sponsoring the "pickup truck driving,
gun toting, tobacco-chewing Bubba" bill.

That's how many of them see us. If we argue in favor of the rights of
legitimate, law-abiding sportsmen, these urban legislators feel it necessary
to defame and dismiss instead of engaging in meaningful public policy
discussions.

Unfortunately, to do what I suggest will require national, state, and local
leaders to place the larger interests above petty partisanship. Montgomery
County Executive Doug Duncan and Baltimore Mayor Martin O'Malley held joint
press conferences with Sen. Garagiola and Del. Quinter to push for stricter
gun laws.

In both cases, shots (excuse the pun) were taken at President Bush and
Governor Erhlich. Mr. O'Malley and Mr. Duncan are less concerned about a
meaningful firearms debate than they are posturing for the 2006
gubernatorial election.

If Mr. Quinter and Mr. Garagiola are serious in their pursuit, they will
encourage a broad debate during the next session on the issues I've raised.
They'll be open to considering how to accommodate the interests of
legitimate points of view that might not follow their own. If not, then they
will join the ranks of past legislative activists who ignore the complexity
of this question. We'll be no closer to truly dealing with this difficult
question than we were before they started.

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RICHARD B. WELDON, JR.
Republican, District 3B, Frederick & Washington Counties
http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual/06hse/html/msa13978.html
Lowe House Office Building, Room 324
84 College Ave.
Annapolis, MD 21401 - 1991
(410) 841-3240, (301) 858-3240
1-800-492-7122, ext. 3240 (toll free)
e-mail: richard_weldon@house.state.md.us
fax: (410) 841-3308, (301) 858-3308


Mr Weldon obviously doesn't know about the Puckle Gun:
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=536388

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Kharn
October 16, 2003, 07:55 AM
If you say "Thats protected by the 2nd Amendment" in Maryland, you're likely to be lynched in some areas, and carried upon the shoulders of your peers in others. Sadly, the legislature is one of the former and not the latter. There is no protection of the RKBA in the state constitution, so there's nothing else to base pro-gun arguments on.

All we can do is call for enforcement of the current laws and fight a delaying action until some court rules the 2A applies to the states.

Kharn

gun-fucious
October 16, 2003, 08:09 AM
i just emailed him:

Mayhaps, the good Delegate would be interested in the following webpage:

http://www.saf.org/pub/rkba/news/PuckleGun.htm

The Puckle gun was a British flintlock machinegun invented by James Puckle in 1718. It took a nine-round revolving block, was mounted on a tripod and was designed to be portable and especially to prevent an enemy boarding a ship.

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Jefferson was aware of our ingenious potential and desired a parity of technology to be protected under the second amendment. Does the first amendment not protect internet speech?

At the turn of the 18th century, civilians possessed Cannon, Printing Presses and the Privateeer Frigate ship.

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"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms ... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Can it be supposed that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity ... will respect the less important and arbitrary ones ... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants, they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." — Thomas Jefferson

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another thing to note is that according to our Maryland State game laws:

Civilian Semiauto AR15s OR Kalashnikovs are legitimate Maryland hunting arms.

http://www.dnr.state.md.us/huntersguide/weapon.html

It is unlawful to hunt with an automatic firearm capable of firing a series of shots with one continuous pull of the trigger.

Rifles used for deer hunting must use ammunition developing a muzzle energy of at least 1,200 foot pounds.

Firearms used for deer hunting may not have an ammunition clip loaded with more than 8 cartridges or bullets. If a clip has the capacity to hold more than 8 rounds, the clip does not have to be physically blocked, but no more than 8 cartridges or bullets may be loaded.

Rifles may be used to hunt upland game (except dove and woodcock) and forest game (except turkey during the spring season), crow, woodchuck, nutria (.22 caliber rimfire only) and certain furbearing species.

It is only lawful to hunt with ammunition of soft point (expanding) construction. All military, full metal jacketed, incendiary or tracer bullets are prohibited.


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"I can tell that Sarah Brady is a good woman"

"The real victim of moral legislation is always the honest, law-abiding, well-meaning citizen."
"The Uplifters Try It Again" by H.L. Mencken, Baltimore Sun, Nov. 30, 1925

http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/2nd_Amend/uplifters_try_it_again.htm

Spot77
October 16, 2003, 08:27 AM
[QUOTE]
I fail to see how owning a street sweeper, a shotgun with a large cartridge capable of a high rate of fire, is necessary for personal protection. You won't be deer hunting with a compact machine gun, because the venison would be so full of lead that you couldn't chew a mouthful without losing some teeth.


That may be true, but firing those weapons sure is a LOT of fun, and I do believe I have the right to "Life, liberty, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS"

:neener:

Bartholomew Roberts
October 16, 2003, 09:24 AM
The ol' "hunting guns are OK but not evil black rifles" argument...

OK, you want a "a meaningful, substantive debate on how we
protect our safety while ensuring the rights of law abiding gun owners"?

Then let's look at your safe hunting gun vs. "the usefulness of certain weapons that have as their principle use the killing of as many people as possible in the shortest possible time".

Let's see, the Benelli Black Eagle used for hunting is capable of discharging 9 .30 pellets with a single trigger pull and flinging an ounce of lead downrange.

My AR15 fires a single .223 caliber bullet weighing 55gr in the same time period.

Gue those duck hunting, errr... Streetsweeper guns are more dangerous than we all thought eh?

RangerHAAF
October 16, 2003, 09:33 AM
Who are these people to tell me what kind of gun I can or should be hunting with?! I have hunted deer with an AK-47 for the last six years. I don't hunt with a 30 round magazine but a special 5 round hunting mag. This rifle gives me a quick follow up second shot if I should need it. It's obvious to me that those making pronouncements about what kind of gun is or is not appropriate to hunt with have probably never hunted, period.

Gun control is illegal, unconstitutional, and un-American. I thank God for the GOA and NRA daily. It doesn't matter what kind of guns(blackpowder or AK-47) the framers were contemplating when they wrote the Constitution. They wrote it with the consideration that one day the people might have to confront and change a tyrannical and repressive govenment. I will also admit that confronting the government with it's awesome technology and size is scary but in the end, the citizens will prevail. It may take a lot of time and lives(Afghanistan) but it would be worth it.

Also, liberals like to talk about a "living Constitution" that changes with time. That's okay but they should be fair and consistent about firearms changing over time, too.

ACP230
October 16, 2003, 09:39 AM
I killed a buck with my 16 gauge shotgun once.
It took two rounds of buckshot and a slug to finish the job since the buck kept standing up.

Later, it occurred to me that there would have been less lead in the deer if I'd shot him with three short bursts from a subgun. (I didn't own one then, and it would have been illegal to hunt with it anyway, but the comparison the legiscritter makes is invalid, IMO.

I didn't bite down on any buckshot when I ate that deer either.

Brian Dale
October 16, 2003, 11:32 AM
Guess those duck hunting, errr... Streetsweeper guns are more dangerous than we all thought eh? Don't worry, Bart; he's after them all. His only problem with Sarah Brady seems to be that she's not sneaky enough about what they're both doing. Likewise, don't shout about what Jefferson, Adams, and Franklin meant by the Second Amendment. We weren't there, and they aren't here. They foresaw that, as a matter of fact. That's why they wrote things down. Remarkable advance, written language.

He sets up and knocks down one sound-bite after another, with a simple, patronizing "well, I don't believe that" each time. He sounds as if he simply "knows best," and lets it be known that the peons should not trouble our little heads with such things as rights and legislation. He ridicules the notion that Jefferson, Adams, and Franklin were discussing the modern, military weapons of the day.

He sets up a different issue, with "Eeeevil, urban legislators" as the villains, saying that they just don't understand hunting: If we argue in favor of the rights of legitimate, law-abiding sportsmen, these urban legislators feel it necessary to defame and dismiss (etc.)
He's out to get 'em all, folks. He'll look saddened a few years from now as he makes public statements that the laws just weren't stringent enough. He'll "regretfully" go along with laws that create a more-or-less complete firearms ban. So what's his best quote?Don't trot out the line of victims as an excuse to implement poorly conceived public policy. Now there's a statement to remember.

Mark Tyson
October 16, 2003, 11:46 AM
When the framers drafted that language, they were contemplating the possession of black powder guns, and they were concerned about an overly powerful central government ignoring the will of the people, necessitating armed resistance.

I wonder if they would have included protections for the possession of fully automatic weapons, or bullets designed to pierce the vests worn by law enforcement officers.

Does it occur to this gentleman that the black powder guns of 1776 were modern military weapons of the time?

geekWithA.45
October 16, 2003, 11:54 AM
Likewise, don't shout about what Jefferson, Adams, and Franklin meant by the Second Amendment. We weren't there, and they aren't here.

That pretty much says it all, doesn't it?

Translation:

"The founding principles of this country mean nothing to me, and I will not contemplate them"

Instead, why can't we engage in a meaningful, substantive debate on how we protect our safety while ensuring the rights of law abiding gun owners? Technology and information can be an asset in this discussion.

How can we engange in a meaninfgul discussion when ensuring the rights of honest gun owners involves heavily restricting that right, and attaching all sorts of pointless technocrap to both the item and the right to have the item?

Answer: We simply can't have a meaningful discussion.

Everything you will propose will have been shown to either not work, or not be consistent with a free society, or both. Every measure you can concieve of, and every rationale for it has been scrupulously examined by people far more motivated than you, and has been found wanting. What you propose is fraudulent snake oil, and we're pretty much done with that.

There are no "magic bullets" that will suddenly make the issue of evil on earth go away.


How can we protect our safety while people have arms?

Honest Answer: We can't.

How can we protect our safety when everyone is disarmed?

Honest Answer: We still can't.

greyhound
October 16, 2003, 08:20 PM
Notice that's what passes for an "R" here...kinda like Ahnold in CA....

Methinks he's an urban legislator....for those of you not from here, 3 "progressive" counties control everything politically (Prince Georges and Mongomery Counties and Baltimore City), we actually do have very conservative areas but they have no clout.

Ah well, you can deal with it or move, I guess.

Standing Wolf
October 16, 2003, 09:00 PM
Never—ever!—trust a R.I.N.O.

gun-fucious
October 16, 2003, 10:43 PM
nope Greyhound:
RICHARD B. WELDON, JR.
Republican, District 3B, Frederick & Washington Counties

the district includes Burkittsville, Point of Rocks, Adamstown, Buckeystown and Brunswick, and in Washington County, Sharpsburg and Fairplay

http://www.gazette.net/200218/frederickcty/county/102889-1.html

twoblink
October 17, 2003, 07:13 AM
Who put the "rat" in the RepublicRAT..?

Oh, never mind, the post tells it all :rolleyes:

QUESTION:: SINCE WHEN HAS COLOR OR BRAND NAME EFFECTED IN ANY WAY, THE VELOCITY OF A BULLET????

Oh, forgot, it's "For the Children"..:barf:

gun-fucious
October 17, 2003, 09:47 AM
Thinking back on the reasons I wrote the article for the Tentacle, I realize
that I should have been more specific on my real rationale. I am VERY
concerned that the upcoming Maryland General Assembly Session will feature a
major attempt to ram through the most onerus gun control legislation in
Maryland's history.


My purpose in writing was to begin a dialogue, to help legislators who
oppose expanded legislative intervention gain more information to be better
prepared for the floor fight that will decide this question in Annapolis.


You and I have never met, and I suspect that you're not familiar with my
prior public service. I have always tried to elevate the discourse, and
sometimes it helps to say controversial things to get people's attention.


I intend to vote against ANY attempt to restrict the rights of law abiding
gun owners, but the proponents of gun restrictions already have a voting
block in place. We will have our best chance to prevail if we can influence
public opinion with logical, rational arguments, and let the advocates for
broad restrictions use emotion and the parade of victims.

I have spoken to hundreds of people since the article ran, and feel very
confident in the information people have taken time to provide.

Rick Weldon
House of Delegates
District 3B
Frederick & Washington Counties

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