[Hawk]

In the process of digging through Findlaw.com looking for firearms liability references, I accidently came across the following brilliant example of of insightful research and reporting:

Glock Semi-Automatic Handguns: No safety mechanism, may sometimes fire upon being jarred or dropped, and polymer barrels prone to explosion.

It was in the context of "Top Ten Bad Guns" - I believe number 2 in the parade of strained facts.

Not being one to keep disgusting stuff to myself, here's the whole article:

http://articles.corporate.findlaw.com/articles/file/00566/000569/title/Subject/topic/Injury%20%20Tort%20Law_Products%20Liability/filename/injurytortlaw_2_197

We might want to discontinue the use of the "I am not a lawyer" disclaimer in our posts - I could not find where the lawyers that wrote the article provided a disclaimer that they have no expertise in firearms.

They did (amazingly enough) note that accidental deaths with firearms was at an all time low but then went and ruined it by giving credit to the trial lawyers (at least that's how I read it).

Sorry, had to vent. Now I gotta go get a shower.
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer basher - but that article - WOW!

[CGofMP]

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Charles (your untrained psychologist)

[Jim March]

Sent to:

info@mmmpaLaw.com

CC: freedom@freedomarms.com (tried to find a Glock EMail addy too)

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Gentlemen,

I have read your article at:

http://articles.corporate.findlaw.com/articles/file/00566/000569/title/Subject/topic/Injury%20%20Tort%20Law_Products%20Liability/filename/injurytortlaw_2_197

A full deconstruction would take days, but in short, it is now obvious why firearms liability suits have been losing.

To take two examples:

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Quote:

"Glock Semi-Automatic Handguns: No safety mechanism, may sometimes fire upon being jarred or dropped, and polymer barrels prone to explosion."
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This is a lie - actually two different lies in a single sentence.

Glock barrels are steel. Good steel at that. So is the slide, most of the ignition system and key reinforcement areas of the frame. There are also numerous internal safety mechanisms. Glock wouldn't have 25% of the police market if they were junk.

Glock has grounds to sue you over the term "polymer barrel" and I hope they do.

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Quote:

"Freedom Arms Casull Revolver: While expensive and relatively uncommon, these .454 caliber revolvers are commonly used to hunt big game in the field which is dangerous in itself, but potentially lethal with this gun because of the difficulty in engaging the safety."
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Another lie.

Freedom Arms revolvers (prices start at $1,300ish and go WAY up from there) have internal, automatic safeties similar to modern double action revolvers. The "83" series (large frames such as the 454s and including many other calibers) have the "hammer block" type of internal safety, while the "97" series uses the "transfer bar" ignition system. In both cases, unless the trigger is fully pulled back when deliberately firing, the hammer cannot travel forward and strike the firing pin. So while these guns superficially look like the 1873 Colt SAA ("Peacemaker") to varying degrees, they have fully modern safety systems and the accidental discharge rates are extremely low, among the lowest of all firearms types. Firing on dropping the gun or during loading is eliminated. There is certainly no "engaging" the safety manually (or disengaging it, for that matter, except in deliberately firing the gun).

Glock's internal safeties are similar and functionally equivelent; the basic concept has been thoroughly field-tested in DA revolvers going back to 1905.

Those are just the two pieces I can spot off the top on a quick skim, which is all this tripe is worth. I'm quite sure there are more lies throughout.

Jim March

[chaim]

We might want to discontinue the use of the "I am not a lawyer" disclaimer in our posts - I could not find where the lawyers that wrote the article provided a disclaimer that they have no expertise in firearms. Yeah, unfortunately one can pontificate on guns all one wants regardless of how little they know. You can even claim to be an expert when all you know you learned in role playing games (or less).

However, certain professional titles and duties are regulated by law. One cannot call themselves a lawyer, psychologist, doctor, etc. unless they are. Furthermore, doing work that is part of said profession is illegal without meeting certain criteria (i.e. a license). If you protray yourself as an expert in these kinds of fields, and/or give advice in such a way that you may imply some kind of expertise then you may be open to criminal or civil action, hence the "I am not a lawyer" disclaimer.


Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, any and all advice given here is simply what I know and believe based on the best of my (albeit amateur) knowlege.:evil:

[Hawk]

Mr. March -
Thanks - I would've never thought of actually telling the miscreants somebody other than a class action recruit was reading that stuff. Good on you.

Chaim -
Interesting point. But wouldn't somebody have to explicitly state they were a lawyer to generate grief? Just pontificating or offering advice without a claim of "certification" or degree is done all the time - look at the people making millions from diet books that couldn't possibly have seen the inside of a medical school.

Maybe we could have an "NRA certified firearms engineer" - I think Novell won a case allowing the use of "engineer" for the CNE program after getting a "cease and desist" from the PE's - the computer people on the board can set me straight on that - my memory is pretty fuzzy. :o

[telomerase]

Glock Semi-Automatic Handguns: No safety mechanism, may sometimes fire upon being jarred or dropped, and polymer barrels prone to explosion.

That's why they were adopted by the Austrian Army, with its long history of issuing Saturday Night Specials to their "Home Boys".

See, that's why we non-lawyers don't make the big bucks; we don't have the technical training to understand the complexities of "polymer barrels". :scrutiny:

[P95Carry]

This sorta descriptive screw-up is way too common .... I mean, how much research does it take just to confirm facts and get em right <sigh>.

When will we see ...... ''Assault BB pistol'', and ''Tactical sling shot''?? Oh and ''Sniper blow gun''?

Incredible ..... hmmm ..... wonder at what temperature the ''plastic'' Glock barrel breaks down ... could be dangerous.:rolleyes: