[Amadeus]

I need some ammo advice. Next month I will be taking part in an "urban" rifle class. The syllabus contains many CQB type drills (snap shooting, sling use, steal plates at close range).

I will be armed with my Romanian SKS, but I have some concern that my usual Wolf ammo will not be accurate enough for those steal plates. can anyone recommend a different brand of 7.62x39 ammo that may be a little more accurate? Or maybe Wolf is just fine?

Who else makes 7.62x39?

Thanks for the advice.

[Wildalaska]

Try PMC.....

Wolf ammo is generally junk, but the 7.62x39 is OK, especially through an SKS.....

WildherewegoagainAlaska

[Illuminate]

I would imagine Wolf ammo will be more than fine. I can fire decent groupings with it at 100 yards - in a CQB urban setting, I'm sure it will go where you tell it to. I don't think you'll have to worry about the ammo as long as you can shoot the targets. ;)

PS: I have had very good results with Silver Bear ammo in non-exact (aka plinking) situations.

[Mike Irwin]

Don't like Wolf at all. Seen way too many issues with it over the past couple of years.

[DMK]

I like Barnual HPs. It's much more accurate than Wolf in my rifles. I'd take the Silver Bear that comes in the OD sardine cans as second Choice.

[jrhead75]

Wolf's always worked fine for me, and been accurate enough for "minute of plate" shooting. One important note about the SKS...It's really advisable to make sure you don't use anything with soft primers. My Yugo will lightly ding a primer just by chambering a round, so slam fires become an issue with some non milspec ammo.

[Beetle Bailey]

If it's steel plates at close range, I would think the Wolf ammo should be okay. I've gone 700 rounds thru my SKS without a single problem except lack of benchrest accuracy. The Federal American Eagle was way better with accuracy (I used it to make sure my sights were right) but as jrhead75 pointed out, slamfire is a possibility (I had one with 240 rounds).

BTW, I just got some Silver Bear 124 gr. "Match" ammo (the one with the "nipple") and will be at the range on Saturday (10-18-03) to test it. I only got 100 rounds of the stuff, but I'll post my impressions of it for you. Also, I think there is a recent thread on Silver Bear ammo, so you can do a search if you are interested.

Also, is that class open to the public? I live in the LA area and it sounds interesting. Either way, let us know how you do.

[ocabj]

If anything, you should ask the instructors if Wolf is ok. They may have rules about ammo. They probably don't, but you should just check anyway.

From an accuracy stand point, you should be fine.

[444]

For a course like that, I would imagine that any ammo would be more than accurate enough.
I shot a four day "practical rifle" class using Wolf ammo in the AR15. We fired regularly at 200 yards and did some shooting against steel at 300, and 400. No problem at all.
Have fun and let us hear the details when you get back.

[cool45auto]

I also have a Romanian SKS that lives off a Wolf-only diet. Mine seems to be pretty accurate. I don't think you'll have a problem.

[OEF_VET]

Both my SKS and SAR-1 get fed nothing but Wolf, and thus far, both seem quite content, as I am with their performance.

BTW, if you try to steal those plates while they're downrange, it might get a tad bit dangerous. :D

Frank

[Feanaro]

Wolf isn't the most accurate ammo around but it's adequate. It's also pretty reliable. I've heard of some slam-fire issues with UMC and Federal ammo, the primers originally used on military ammunition were much harder so slam-fire safety wasn't much of an issue.

[ShaiVong]

Is the wolf ammo close enough to Milspec so that the sights on the AR15 will have valid ranges? Is the rear sight calibrated for M193 or M855?

[Amadeus]

An alum of the class told me last night that distances will be between 25-80 meters. So I want to make sure I have a round that groups well. Of course, much of the inaccuracy I get is probably my fault. Still I want to be sure I can hit those steel/steal plates.

For those interested in the urban rifle class there is info about it at: www.allsafedefense.com

I will tell everyone about it after I have sufficiently humiliated myself on the firing line. :uhoh:

Anyway -- per your advice -- I'll buy a bunch of wolf, a bunch of UMC, and a couple rounds of whatever is rolling around on the counter.

[444]

ShaiVong: I don't know for sure. I primarily use an Aimpoint. I have never actually shot groups on paper using the sight settings on an A2. Even with the A2 sights I have, I use an improved battlesight zero and never use the adjustments. I know where the round is going to hit out to 300 meters and use Kentucky windage. I can tell you that the trajectory was similar for me, but keep in mind that I seldom shoot at bullseye targets. I mainly shoot at silhouettes and steel. On a silhouette, I know that from 0-approx. 250 meters I can hold right on and hit COM, at 300 I have to aim a few inches high. For the type of shooting I am doing, this is plenty good. I can tell you that at the class where I used Wolf ammo, we shot a practice round of the school drill which ran from three meters out to 200, with all shots timed and during this practice round I shot a perfect score. I dropped a few in the final shootoff, but that was my fault and not the equipment.

[ShaiVong]

Thanks 4^3, I use that improved battlesight as well, but I've never been at a range greater than 100yrds, so I'm not familiar with what my kentucky windage should be. I should probably just memorize the trajectory and then find myself a place to shoot 100+ yards. (Maybe across the field from opposate corners!).

[444]

Well, I guess I am lucky because I live in a place where I can shoot as far as the eye can see, any time I want to. I also have access to an actual rifle range that goes out to 400 yards. By far the majority of my longish range shooting was done in various carbine classes, but I do confirm my zeros at 200 pretty much every time I go to the real rifle range. The beauty of the IBZ is that you don't have to memorize any trajectory tables. You simply hold COM out to almost 300. At extremly close range where you need to make a precision shot, such as a head shot, you do need to know how much to hold over, but for a COM shot you don't worry about it.