ever have/considered carrying this?

I saw this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckZ0HC_GwcY

and it got me thinking, has anyone out there really carried such a weapon for ccw, is it even leagal?

sure it's legal, they sell AR-style rifles, excuse me, pistols just like any other pistol, notice in the video he did not have a stock, that is when it becomes illegal. SO if you can conceal something like that, and shoot it accurately w/o a carbine stock, then I don't see why not, other than it is quite impractical. But go ahead if you can, more power to ya

I personally wouldn't, seems a bit much to me as well. I just wondered if someone else might have.

I've got one but I've never tried to cary it concealed. It is replacing my 9mm SUB-2000 in my gear bag. They are quite accurate, relatively lightweight, easy to handle, and reliable. It shares ammo and mags with my AR-15 patrol rifle and, for me, serves the same purpose as the SUB-2000 - a fast into action step up from my sidearm if I need more accuracy and range but can't readily access my rifle. The only downside is that it is pretty loud, but it's no worse than a 5.56 SBR.

Here's a pic of mine (I've since replaced the Pentax red dot with a JPoint) -

http://lh4.ggpht.com/__3_AZOV0zhc/SZCKm8pIaoI/AAAAAAAAAT8/75QE7J-IrVU/s512/SDC10417.JPG

Carrying it concealed is hard enough.

But carrying the required earmuffs concealed to shoot it is even harder.

Those things redefine the word LOUD!

rc

If I lived in Afghanistan maybe. Would like to see the IWB for that.

On a more serious note, if you used such a weapon as a CCW and you had to use it to defend yourself, I think your day in court would not go to well. Especially if the high powered bullet exited your attacker and hit an innocent bystander.

Anyways, I'm not the best person to answer, I find these weapons kind of pointless and silly - by that, if you want to own one, then please do - just don't ask me to shell out my hard earned for a pretty useless and gimmicky gun.

Especially if the high powered bullet exited your attacker and hit an innocent bystander.

5.56 is known to penetrate less than 9mm ball.

Legal in AZ. He needed to shove harder on that single point sling to get full benefit. Not my first, second, or third choice for CCW in todays world, but more power to those who can carry one legally and will put up with the weight.

5.56 is known to penetrate less than 9mm ball.
I don't see how that is possible given the disparity of velocities and projectile size.

It deos happen, I've seen it. A light weight bullet falls apart real quick when it hits something at high speed. Slow and heavy tends to stay in one piece. It depends what your hitting.

For example shoot a into a pool, the slow pistol rounds go much further. The rifle rounds disintigrate allmost immediately.


Anyways, I've backpacked with a pistol AR or an Sig p5.56.

Our Constitition burning police would love to ruin your day if they found a 5.56 pistol under your trenchcoat. And dressing up like Mr.Blonde is not the best urban camo.

jesus, a regular AR is loud enough, i can't imagine what that thing would sound like.

Re: Penetration

Depends on what you hit I suppose. I know that 5.56 will go through walls, brick and metal doors much easier then 9mm ball.

Regardless, if you have to stand up in court and the prosecutor pulls out a 5.56 pistol and says that this was the defendent's personal CCW, don't expect a bucket of sympathy from the judge or jury.

Legality would depend on the state. I actually put my Bushmaster pistol on my CCW. Why? because a bunch of people told me that I couldn't. Did I carry the thing? Heck no. I'm not the trenchcoat type. Any way I did not renew that gun on my permit. It was done to prove a point which I did. I have since sold the Bushmaster. It was just to big of a jam-o-matic for me.

Am I a huge geek for getting Zerodefect's reference?

Depends on what you hit I suppose. I know that 5.56 will go through walls, brick and metal doors much easier then 9mm ball.

5.56 is better at initial hard target penetration, due to much higher velocity. But the bullets are significantly lighter than 9mm, which is why they don't penetrate as far under many circumstances.

Am I a huge geek for getting Zerodefect's reference?

Welcome to the huge geek zone. I got it too.:D

Elvis would be a better disguise that a shiney white trench coat.

"What are the odds that that bulge is a machine pistol?"
"Naw, don't worry about it, he's probally just carrying a George Forman grill concealed."

If I see that guy, forget it, I'm foing to shoot first......LOL.

Yep, we all saw that episode of Mythbusters.:)

As for 5.56 vs 9mm against steel, my friend wasn't too pleased when I put a bunch of holes in his metal plate handgun targets - it was an accident, honest.

I don't see how that is possible given the disparity of velocities and projectile size.

5.56 is better at initial hard target penetration, due to much higher velocity. But the bullets are significantly lighter than 9mm, which is why they don't penetrate as far under many circumstances.

The spitzer bullets are also very likely to tumble.

sure it's legal, they sell AR-style rifles, excuse me, pistols just like any other pistol, notice in the video he did not have a stock, that is when it becomes illegal.

Wrong, unless you want to remove the absolutism in that false claim.

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Originally Posted by barheyfife.357
sure it's legal, they sell AR-style rifles, excuse me, pistols just like any other pistol, notice in the video he did not have a stock, that is when it becomes illegal.

Wrong, unless you want to remove the absolutism in that false claim.

What part of his statement is wrong? It is legal until you put a stock on it, then it's an SBR and it's illegal unless you get a tax stamp.

Welcome to the huge geek zone. I got it too.

I got it too. :)

If I see that guy, forget it, I'm foing to shoot first......LOL.

nah, he's a good guy thats jeff quin.

Wrong, unless you want to remove the absolutism in that false claim.

actually I do believe he is correct, though you can leagally own a short barreled rifle with a tax stamp, you can't leagally ccw one as is the point of this thread :P

actually I do believe he is correct, though you can leagally own a short barreled rifle with a tax stamp, you can't leagally ccw one as is the point of this thread :P


Incorrect depending on the jurisdiction. Rifles and shotguns do not require a permit to carry concealed in Idaho (read the statutes), I'm assuming to protect sportsmen who put a field gun under a coat to keep it from getting wet etc. But it protects anyone for whatever reason who chooses to do so with a rifle as well.

My SBRs would be AOK in this situation as well.

But this isn't a SBR, it's a pistol (technically). It is subject to the same laws and regulations as any other pistol. Here in Maine I could carry mine concealed if I wanted to, as long as I have a CCW permit or am a LEO.

ahh, I see, I'm not 100% what the laws are where I am at present (though I assume I can't ccw a rifle, prehapse open carry?) but I am curious, at what point is it considered a sbr? I know it has to do with barrel length, oal, and weight, but I'm unsure about the stock on it, if putting a stock on a plr makes it a sbr then does it mean if I put a stock on a glock, would it be a sbr as well?

ahh, I see, I'm not 100% what the laws are where I am at present (though I assume I can't ccw a rifle, prehapse open carry?) but I am curious, at what point is it considered a sbr? I know it has to do with barrel length, oal, and weight, but I'm unsure about the stock on it, if putting a stock on a plr makes it a sbr then does it mean if I put a stock on a glock, would it be a sbr as well?

Nothing to do with weight or minimum overall length, basically a barrel length <16" and a stock that allows it to be fired from the shoulder (folding and collapsible stocks included).

So, no shoulder stock on your Glock without a tax stamp.

Nothing to do with weight or minimum overall length

I just looked it up and it says that if it has a barrel length of less then 16" and a oal of less then 26" its considered an sbr, at the same time though it would seem there was a law regarding the weight if an ar style weapon was to be labled a pistol (it required the weapon not exceed a certain weight, though I don't believe this law is still standing) a couple weapons were produced to be in compliance with the law, one example would be the oa 98

notice in the video he did not have a stock, that is when it becomes illegal

though you can leagally own a short barreled rifle with a tax stamp, you can't leagally ccw one as is the point of this thread :P

This is a matter of state laws. Where I live one can CCW a long arm. Legally it is not a problem. It would just be a PITA to do so regularly I would think.

I have a friend that carries a super shorty 12 ga on occasion, but he is a large guy. He claims that he is only 5'19" at 154 kilos(395 lbs)