[ClemBert]

Can I get a little help from someone knowledgeable on this. I have a new Uberti 1858 Remmie. Looking to replace the factory nipples with Ampco bronze nipples (?Tresco?). Is the following the correct nipple to order. This is a .44 caliber full sized Remmie (non-stainless). I assume we can ignore the ".31" in the description.

Ampco 5.5-.9mm metric thread (http://www.trackofthewolf.com/(S(mui5ufbzz3dgyovmhezg1mvy))/popUps/popTable.aspx?partNum=PTC-PA&styleID=785)

[mykeal]

Nope. You want this one:
Treso 11-50-10 6mmx0.75 Ampco bronze nipple at TotW (http://www.trackofthewolf.com/(S(uqeja4jxtmpmcumtigstmu45))/Search.aspx?Search=pir-a)

[Oldfalguy]

Clembert-
I am not knowledgeable-coming back to BP after being out for 30 years but I have checked with the fellas at the Possibles Shop and All TRESO nipples take #11 caps. The Cap & Ball Nipples are listed on http://www.possibleshop.com/s-s-nipples-cb.html
I will get a set of them for my Uberti 1860 and if all is good with #11 fitting real well then I intend to use the Treso's to replacements on all of my pistols.

[ClemBert]

The reason for my confusion stems from the nipple data listed in the Dixie Gun Works catalog. It shows all the Pietta revolvers as using the 6mm x 0.75 nipples whereas the Uberti revolvers use the 5.5mm x 0.9 nipples (Uberti Walker and Dragoons using 6mm x 0.9 nipples).

Typo or what?

For Uberti 1851 & 1861 Navy, 1860 Army, 1862 Police, 1849 Pocket, Baby Dragoon and Remington .36 & .44. (https://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=5813&osCsid=709962857e76af7422cd0fc6f9277d51)

For Uberti Dragoon and Walker. (https://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=5817&osCsid=709962857e76af7422cd0fc6f9277d51)

[madcratebuilder]

There is a overall size difference in the nipples for different revolvers other than the thread differences. The Walker and Dragoons take a large nipple, the 1858's, 51,60,61's take a medium or standard size and the pocket revolvers take a smaller size.

[AdmiralB]

See my reply on TFL. You want 12-28.

[ClemBert]

So you are saying this is a catalog typo?

For Uberti 1851 & 1861 Navy, 1860 Army, 1862 Police, 1849 Pocket, Baby Dragoon and Remington .36 & .44. (https://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=5813&osCsid=709962857e76af7422cd0fc6f9277d51)

For Uberti Dragoon and Walker. (https://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=5817&osCsid=709962857e76af7422cd0fc6f9277d51)

These dimensions are listed both in the paper catalog and the online catalog. It would mean someone entered the wrong data twice in two different places. I realize these are steel nipples but that is not important. What is important is the listed size.

[AdmiralB]

I don't know if it's a typo. I know it's wrong. For one thing, the pockets and the 'midsize' guns DO NOT use the same nipples.

Ubertis use SAE nipples, at least the bigger guns do. The horse pistols use 1/4-28, the Army/Navy guns use 12-28.

I think the pockets use the 5.5mm-.9...they're smaller than 12-28, anyway.

[ClemBert]

FWIW I found this nipple chart (http://www.geocities.com/l_polsi/announce.htm)

Looks like Thunder Ridge has long gone belly up. Hopefully, the chart is accurate.

[ClemBert]

Could this be the correct nipple? (http://www.trackofthewolf.com/(S(e4tnnpnscr4jzn55vuac0355))/popUps/popTable.aspx?partNum=PCC-A&styleID=785)

[mykeal]

Admiral B is correct. I thought, erroneously, that you had a Pietta so my posts on this thread and TFL were incorrect.

12x28 is the same size as the metric 5.5x0.9. Ordering either will work. The No. 12 thread major diameter is 0.216 inches which is 5.5mm. 28 threads per inch is a thread pitch of 0.907 mm.

The Track of the Wolf part number for the Treso nipple is PCC-A; Treso's part number is 11-50-16.

Take the nipple to your local hardware store and have them measure the thread, but I'm sure Admiral B's message is correct.

The Dixie catalog is wrong on many levels. First, there is no such thread as '6mmx9' (assuming they mean 6mm MD and 0.9mm pitch). The Uberti Walker and Dragoon use 1/4x28 thread nipple. Next, the '5.5mmx9' spec has the same error (9 should be 0.9); that thread size nipple is used on the mid sized Uberti guns, but the callout should really be 12x28.

[ClemBert]

Okay guys, I appreciate your help in clarification on this. It kind of sounds like we went a little bit in a circle and came back to the starting point, LOL. I didn't bother trying to make sense of the metric measurements as it relates to 12x28 but I knew some smart fellas would come around shortly with the answer. It is truly amazing how hard it can be to get official error free specs on nipples short of calling the factory.

Kind of strange that TotW has PTC-PA (5.5mm x 0.9) and PCC-A (12x28) part numbers when they are both one and the same...or am I wrong? :confused: Further, its funny how there is a price difference between the two.

[ClemBert]

FYI, just a link for anyone looking for the Possible Shop Nipple Order Form (http://www.possibleshop.com/nipples.htm)

[mykeal]

Kind of strange that TOW has PTC-PA (5.5mm x 0.9) and PCC-A (12x28) part numbers when they are both one and the same...or am I wrong? Further, its funny how there is a price difference between the two.
Track isn't quite telling the whole story. The difference between them is length (height?). The PTC-PA is longer than the PCC-A. Just to make it more interesting, there's also the 12x28 PTC-A which is the same Treso part number as the PTC-PA. Track doesn't (nor does anyone else I'm aware of) publish the length (height?), which is almost as important as the thread; instead, they use the OEM gun description that's often confusing.

[ClemBert]

Thank you sir. I went ahead and ordered the PCC-A (12-28 thread, for Colt revolvers, #11 cap, Ampco bronze) nipples from Track of the Wolf.

[ClemBert]

Hmmmm y'all, what can I say....I'm stumped. I tried to do my homework before ordering nipples but I FAIL. :cuss:

The Treso nipples came in and it's a no go...too big. I could see that before I even tried to install them. I ordered Treso part number 11-50-16 (PCC-A from Track of the Wolf). The description on the packages says: REVOLVER NIPPLE 12-28 THREAD FITS COLT, NEW ITALIAN REVOLVERS 11-50-16.

I pulled out the calipers and took some metric measurements on the outside diameter of the threads:

Treso nipple: 5.49mm
Uberti nipple: 5.36mm
ROA nipple: 5.41mm

The Treso nipple will fit in my ROA. Too bad it is shorter than a ROA nipple though. The Treso nipple obviously will not fit in my Uberti 1858 Remmie. The ROA nipple will not thread into the Uberti. The Uberti nipple will thread into my ROA but you can tell the thread is a bit loose. Anyhoo, this tells me that the thread pitch is the same for all three nipples.

I took it a step further and went to ACE Hardware in an attempt to further determine thread size. All three nipples would thread into a 6mm x 1 nut but not the 5mm x 1 nut. This told me nothing because I knew that before I went there but those were the only two choices that ACE had.

So...what SHOULD I have ordered? :confused:

[AdmiralB]

Interesting...I just pulled nipples from my 1858, 1851, and 1860. They all measure 5.41mm major diameter.

In fact, the nipples on the old Leech/Rigdon cylinder I picked up also measured 5.41mm.

They're not all identical in appearance - the flanges are thicker/more squared-off on some, and the transition from threaded- to unthreaded sections differ...but they all have the same thread pitch/size and the height is the same.

I wonder how old your gun is...what's the date code (two letters, stamped with a box around them...should be on the right side of the frame)?

Sounds like your gun has the same nipples as my 1862 Police.

[ClemBert]

I wonder how old your gun is...what's the date code (two letters, stamped with a box around them...should be on the right side of the frame)?

Made in 2008 (CC).

What size are your 1862 Pocket Police nipples?

[rcflint]

ClemBert: I don't understand a Ruger nipple not threading into your Uberti, they have the same thread, and I have Ruger and Uncle Mike's Ruger nipples in several of my Uberti Army and Navy cylinders. The Ruger nipple is a bit shorter than the Uberti in order to allow the Ruger OA to be dry fired, but they work in an Uberti, even without a shim washer.

[AdmiralB]

Well, by golly. The 1862 nipples are 5.35mm.

Sounds like yours got made with the smaller ones...dunno why; my Ubertis (except for my Walker) are all 2008s also.

Anyway, that would be 11-50-30, in Treso-speak.

[ClemBert]

I wonder how you find out the Treso number cross referenced to the Track of the Wolf number. Are you saying I need this? Ampco 5.5-.9mm metric thread (http://www.trackofthewolf.com/(S(md4tdl45bup4z255yhhyq045))/popUps/popTable.aspx?partNum=PTC-PA&styleID=785)

[AdmiralB]

I don't know Track's numbering scheme. I was going by Treso's part number.

[Smokin_Gun]

Take the nipple out and measure it with dial calipers... I would suppose it's possible to have gotten a cylinder with the 5.35 dia meter threads.
You do have a Uberti Remington correct...I kinda lost track with all the replies. :O)
The Standard midsize Uberti Revs take 12x28 threads as Does Armi San Marco. Pietta are 6x.75mm threads...of course there's the Pocket cylinder and believe they are the 5.35 dia threads. Both take the No'11 caps.

[AdmiralB]

He's got the fancy Uberti with the cased frame and charcoal barrel and cylinder. Should be 12-28 but sure sounds like his got made with the Pocket nipples.

[Smokin_Gun]

Yup!

[ClemBert]

Take the nipple out and measure it with dial calipers

From my previous post: I pulled out the calipers and took some metric measurements on the outside diameter of the threads:

Treso nipple: 5.49mm
Uberti nipple: 5.36mm
ROA nipple: 5.41mm

Is the length of Treso 11-50-30 nipple the same as the Treso 11-50-16 nipple? In other words, IF it threads in okay is the length going to be a problem now or will it be correct?

Yes, this IS a .44 caliber Uberti 1858 Remmie manufactured in 2008. It is CCH with the charcoal blue barrel/cylinder.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e212/SyberTiger/Firearms/Remmie%201858/Cimarron1858003.jpg

[Smokin_Gun]

The Treso 11-50-16 is the correct number for Uberti Midsize frame Revolvers with 12x28 threads.
You need to have the correct length of the cones threads and top so as you won't mushroom the cones(to long) or caps not go off (too short).
Who lists an 11-50-30 Treso ... s/b 11-50-16 for your Uberti as a standard, or pocket sized cone thread base as the Colt 1862 Pocket Police .36.

[mykeal]

Just to add some more confusion to the stew:

I have 3 of the Uberti .36 cal Pocket revolvers, 2 1862 Pocket Police and 1 1862 Pocket Navy. Here are the OEM nipple sizes:

2005-manufactured Pocket Navy: 0.208"x28tpi, 0.479" overall length. That's 5.28mmx0.91mm/thread.
1997-manufactured Pocket Police: 0.206"x28tpi, 0.492" overall length. That's 5.23mmx0.91mm/thread.
1972-manufactured Pocket Police: 6mmx0.75mm/thread x 0.446" overall length

Yep, two are SMALLER than 5.5mm (or No. 12 SAE), and the Treso 12x28 thread nipples will not thread in the holes, and one, the 37 year old one, is a completely different nipple, 6mmx0.75. Go figure.

Also, Treso makes at least three different nipples with 12x28 (or 5.5mmx0.9 if you prefer) threads. I measured the ones I have and got the following:

11-50-12 (ToTW #PRA-A): 0.216"x28tpi, 0.526" in length
The package label says these are for the Ruger Old Army. The OEM nipples in my ROA measure 0.210"x28tpi, 0.528" overall length
11-50-16 (ToTW #PCC-A): 0.215"x28tpi, 0.499" overall length
The package label says these are for Colt, New Italian Revolvers.

11-50-30 (ToTW #PTC-PA): 0.215"x28tpi, 0.484" overall length
The package label says these are for .31 Remington Pocket Revolver.

I haven't a clue as to why Clembert's Uberti Remington has such an odd size nipple - likewise I have no idea why my Uberti Pocket Police have completely different nipples. And to put the final frosting on it, I have no idea what nipple to buy for my newer Pocket Police or my Pocket Navy.

I used to think I understood this stuff.

[ClemBert]

11-50-16 (ToTW #PCC-A): 0.215"x28tpi, 0.499" overall length
The package label says these are for Colt, New Italian Revolvers.

11-50-30 (ToTW #PTC-PA): 0.215"x28tpi, 0.484" overall length
The package label says these are for .31 Remington Pocket Revolver.

According to these measurements the answer can't be the 11-50-30. The major thread measurement is the same as the 11-50-16. The only difference is that one has a shorter overall length than the other.

0.215"x28tpi, 0.499" overall length is the same measurement I got for the 11-50-16.

0.211"x28tpi, 0.500" overall length is what I measure for the OEM Uberti nipple out of this revolver.

Its hard to believe that 0.004" is making a difference here. I should note, however, that the Uberti OEM nipples go in with very little slop. You can feel a little resistance when putting them in with the nipple wrench.

[AdmiralB]

At this point, I'd suggest calling Taylor's. They're intelligent folks and should be able to tell you what you have, even if they don't sell Tresos.

Worse comes to worse, get a 12-28 tap and recut your cylinder...and use the Tresos you have.

[AdmiralB]

I got to looking at Uberti schematics...and they all list the same nipple for all the revolvers except the horse pistols.

So I took the cylinder out of my Pocket, and tried some of the nipples that measured bigger.

They went in fine.

If it were *my* gun...I'd scrub out the threads in the cylinder real good, oil them, and run in the Tresos.

[Sagetown]

I haven't looked at ToTW, but 3 other outlets list their Treso 6 nipple revolver pkgs as.
PIETTA 11-50-106
UBERTI 11-50-166
I got to looking at Uberti schematics...and they all list the same nipple for all the revolvers except the horse pistols.
Same here..........

[ClemBert]

I haven't looked at ToTW, but 3 other outlets list their Treso 6 nipple revolver pkgs as.
PIETTA 11-50-106
UBERTI 11-50-166

Do you have the 3 links so I can take a looksie?

[Sagetown]

Do you have the 3 links so I can take a looksie?
Yep, here they are:
octobercountry.com; swsutler.com; and possibleshop.com

[ClemBert]

I'd scrub out the threads in the cylinder real good, oil them, and run in the Tresos

I threaded a wire brush through the nipple holes to clean them out. They are as clean as they can possibly be. It just isn't gonna happen with these Treso nipples. You can't even get them to start threading in. I tried three of them just to make sure I wasn't making a judgment based on a "bad" one. The Treso nipples are clearly just too big.

[ClemBert]

I haven't looked at ToTW, but 3 other outlets list their Treso 6 nipple revolver pkgs as.
PIETTA 11-50-106
UBERTI 11-50-166

The difference between 11-50-16 and 11-50-166 is that the former is for one nipple and the later is for 6 nipples in a package.

[ClemBert]

Woot!!! :D I got them in!

I called up Treso to find out if they were aware of any "new" funky nipple that Uberti was using. They said there weren't aware of any production changes and insisted that these Treso nipples are correct to their knowledge. I told them that the nipples wouldn't even begin to thread. They did say that their nipples were purposely made to be on the high end of the tolerances of thread specifications. The reason being is that the nipples are usually used as replacements on firearms that have a lot of thread wear from years of use and tend to have "loose" holes. Funny, how many of y'all change out the nipples as soon as you open the package on your new firearm.

Anyhooo, this is how I got these suckers to thread. I happened to find one nipple from my stainless ROA that if I "forced" it I could get it to thread into my Uberti. After working this nipple a dozen times or so back-n-forth into the Uberti with anti-seize lube I found I could start the Treso nipples in. With anti-seize lube on the Treso's I was able to "force" them into the Uberti cylinder. Yes, I was cringing on each and everyone of them. As you would suspect I ended up with a bronze shavings here and there after getting them in. A very, very tight and scary fit.

In the end I think I had a bad combination of tolerances on each end. On the Uberti the 12-28 holes were on the small end of the scale whereas the Treso nipples were on the high end of the tolerance scale.

Thanks to everyone to helped me out!
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e212/SyberTiger/1858/TresoNipples013.jpg

[AdmiralB]

Dude. The important thing is...do they work better?

[Sagetown]

Wow!, ClemBert; I bet that was a Whoot. Never heard so much tadoo about correct parts not matching up.

Wonder ya didn't strip'em out.
An after thought is, could you have used a tap & die and loosened up the threads in the cylinder slots just a tad?

[ClemBert]

I haven't had a chance to shoot it with the new nipples and powder just yet. I did fire a #10 and a #11 Remington cap on two of the nipples just to check. Got ignition!

I went slow with the Ruger SS nipples. I'd go back-n-forth a little here, a little there then pull it out to check to make sure I wasn't doing any unwanted damage to the nipple or cylinder. Anyone know how hard Ruger SS is compared to Uberti steel? I would think that Uberti steel is stronger/harder than SS but it would seem that the SS won the battle.

I have a tap and die set. I would have gone that route first but I didn't have the right size tap or die to work on the cylinder or the nipples.