Dual handguns...


October 16, 2003, 08:42 PM
Has anyone here tried going "John Woo" at the shooting range? You know what I'm talking about: shooting two handguns one in each hand simultaneously? Any accuracy? Or just a way to make a lot of noise and empty brass?

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October 16, 2003, 08:47 PM
I've done it at a private range and anything past 7 yards the two guns thing for me was just hollywood/hong kong spray and pray.

Maybe with more practice....

October 16, 2003, 09:00 PM
yeah, what jsalcedo said.

Aside from the initial period when you throw more lead, but not as accurately, reloads take forever. I'd much rather just have one gun, shoot that empty, then move to use the other gun.

October 16, 2003, 09:02 PM
A couple of guys were doing that with P7's last year. Talk about brass in the air..................

October 16, 2003, 09:17 PM
In all fairness, John Woo would have guns akimbo, but would usually only aim/fire one at a time.

What's really cheesy is akimbo MAC-10s, firing full auto.

October 16, 2003, 10:26 PM
I was thiniking about a way this might be somewhat useful...First learn to shoot left handed. Then have two guns and raise and fire, concentrate on sights, and fire with your left hand. Then raise the left and concentrate on sights, fire, etc. I might try it some time....

October 16, 2003, 10:47 PM
I tried this once. But I was shooting one at a time. I had 2 snubbies. Other than control issues there was also the problem of trying to keep track of how many shots I've fired.

October 16, 2003, 11:17 PM
I could see if you have tracers for each gun.

October 17, 2003, 01:25 AM
Being either eyed and neither handed...
Have found that I can shoot em both and score pretty well.
Left gun sighted with left eye, right one with right eye.


El Tejon
October 17, 2003, 08:37 AM
Works best for me with body index. YMMV.

It's really silly, but sometimes the Inner Gun Nut takes over.:D

October 17, 2003, 12:55 PM
Want to learn to shoot two at once?

Learn to shoot with your weak hand as well as your strong hand.
Then start *slowly* doing drills shooting two at once.

takes time and lots of ammo to learn, at least according to Ed McGivern's book.

(The few times I've done it, I was just goofing around.)

October 17, 2003, 02:20 PM
I would try it if I had four eyes so I can't squint on two :neener:

October 17, 2003, 09:46 PM
No! When I try to do two things at once, I make MISTAKES. And we all know that a mistake with a firearm can be serious. For safety reasons, I only shoot one gun at a time. Always have, always will. Just IMO, YMMV.

Black Snowman
October 17, 2003, 11:44 PM
I'd prefer the "Spare Gun Reload" over firing akimbo. I've always been a fan of hitting what I was shooting at and 2 hands on a gun work much better than 1 even as I've been practicing one handed and off-handed shooting.

October 18, 2003, 11:57 AM
Maybe there is someone who has really mastered this but I think the time you spent trying to master it could be better spent mastering a single gun.

For one, how do you do a tap-rack-bang with 2 hand guns?

How do you do a tactical reload? How do you reholster? How do you open doors or practice retention with 2 handguns?

If you shoot 75% as well single handed, and only 50% as well weak handed, you are seriously handicapping yourself by shooting a gun in your weak hand and an unsupported gun in your strong hand.

I think its pretty retarded. I understand the visiual appeal on movies but it still drives me crazy - I have no more desire to shoot two handed than I do to go buy the guns I see in movies.

When you are using one gun properly, your sight picture and they gun are "fused" and you are a little human handgun turret.

It takes time to reacquire a sight picture on another gun in another hand, focus, then do the whole OODA process and shoot, then switch back - you are inserting many unnecessary processing cycles for your brain to deal with when what you really need to do is come up with LESS for your brain to deal with - so you can loop faster and win the fight.

No offense to those who have tried it - I have tried it - I already thought it would be difficult and useless and I was shown to be right.

October 18, 2003, 12:27 PM
Not Tactical.

Tis a gimmick, demo, stunt or whatever thing.


October 18, 2003, 01:30 PM
2 FEG Hipowers. 2 13 shot magazines. 26 peices spent brass. 14 holes in target.


I'd agree it can be done.. but mostly its just too tempting to go babababababababababang.

October 18, 2003, 01:50 PM
It's even sillier than the horizontal grip that you see gangsters use in so many movies. :rolleyes:

Did anybody see Mel Gibson (I don't remember the name of the movie) shooting two-handed with the handguns at about shoulder width and height? That's a good way to run out of ammo very quickly without doing anything useful against a threat. Not only that, but this significantly increases the risk of endangering innocent bystanders.

Hollywood! :banghead:

October 18, 2003, 02:13 PM
I have done it just for laughs. I can't shoot for crap unsighted to begin with. I can't see the sights on both guns at once. I also hate to shoot and not hit anything, so I ended up holding two guns and shooting one at a time.
I agree that it has no practical value for mere mortals. I suppose if you dedicated a few thousand hours to practicing it, it might be better than my experience. But, I think that would be time better spent shooting faster and more accurately with one gun.

October 18, 2003, 02:22 PM
Actually, it's posible to do, but you have to leap from behind cover and fire both guns rapid fire while in the air, preferably all in slow motion.

If you do it right, you should land on your side and slide some distance with both guns at slide lock.

At this point your enemies will either A) realize they are dealing with a complete idiot and leave you to go pick on somebody of equal mental capacity or B) throw down their own weapons to fight you "mano to mano".


October 18, 2003, 02:26 PM
I have done it. It's always good to practice something different once in a while. It has negative tactical value. Just like fighting with two sticks, or two knives or two swords -- save it for the movies. In just about every practical situation you can imagine, you will need a free hand for something.

October 18, 2003, 04:32 PM
It's even sillier than the horizontal grip that you see gangsters use in so many movies. Now that has some value.
Think....pinned down under your car or such and tryin to shoot.
Gun sideways works well for that application.
Now think again...will your gun feed when doin that ?
Lot of shotguns won't.
Some autoloader handguns won't.
Some will work with one side down but not 'tuther side down.
And very few will work downside up.


October 18, 2003, 04:45 PM
I've shot both my G19s at once. Fun to try once, but that's about it. Right now I'm waiting for the next time I visit my brother. We both have FA Vector Uzi carbines. Both of those at once should be fun. :evil:

October 18, 2003, 07:47 PM
Did it last Labor Day at Mom's house with 2 1911s. Shot double from the hip into a full sheet of plywood. Did a tac reload (mags inverted and sticking out of front pockets, saw that in a movie somewhere). Fired 2 more mags shoulder height.

Unfortunatly I had watched Last Man Standing tha day before and my stepfather had a gangster type hat on the kitchen table. Got me to thinking

Now I know if I'm ever attacked by a 4'x6' man I'll win. Hopefully nobody will be within 10 feet of him

4v50 Gary
October 19, 2003, 10:22 PM
Only close range at full size target. BTW, I use a left handed Randall for the left hand when I do this. :)

October 19, 2003, 10:36 PM
I curious to try this out, although at my local range I'm afraid of being kicked out if I did. Then again I probably need a second gun to use too. As far as practical usage goes, I think I'll stick to keeping both hands on one gun.

James Bondrock
October 20, 2003, 01:26 AM
There is nothing wrong with carrying two matched (or similarly operating) guns if you wish, but I vote for shooting one dry, then going for the other one. When you see both guns fired simultaneously in movies, remember that movie guns have no recoil and no one actually gets hit by real bullets.

October 20, 2003, 11:36 AM
I've tried it once or twice, but only when I had a VERY LARGE backstop and there was no danger of rounds overflying it, posing a danger to anyone beyond the range.

Let me tell you a story about learning the hard way:

A friend and I went to the gunshow several years ago and picked up some 30 round mags for our Ruger 9mm's (my P89DC, his P94). We went to the local gravel pit/firing line with another friend to try out the two-handed, two-gunned, Hollywood stunt. The other friend asked if he could try it first and we relented. BIG mistake. He fired them as fast as he could, with little or no regard for keeping the guns aimed at the backstop. While we were reloading to try it ourselves, a guy pulls up on a 4-wheeler and tells us that rounds were striking the trees near his mobile home down the road from the pit. We apologized, admonished our buddy, packed up, and went home for the day.

Lesson learned: If you're going to try it, be cognizant of recoil and of keeping the muzzles pointed at the target before pulling the trigger! Don't try to turn them into FA bullet hoses.


October 20, 2003, 12:05 PM
"He fired them as fast as he could, with little or no regard for keeping the guns aimed at the backstop."

I can't for the life of me, imagine how anyone could get any enjoyment out of simply firing a gun. Not hitting anything, not trying to hit anything, they just fire a gun to fire a gun. :rolleyes:

That would be as thrilling to me as standing there flushing a toilet.

I have seen people go out to shoot and just fire a gun into the ground and call that shooting. I once went to a shooting range at Angeles Crest Forest and there much have been fifty people shooting, with no targets out and no way to put a target out without being cut down by gunfire. They were just happily standing there firing guns of all kinds into the ground. Our local machine gun dealer has taken me out a few times; same thing. He just fires the gun, for the sake of firing the gun :confused: I don't get it at all. This would be the same to me as sitting in the driveway racing the engine on a car and never taking it out on the road. You would be burning gas and making noise without accomplishing a thing.

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