[Langenator]

We all know George W. Bush is the GOP nominee in 2004...so, engaging in a little day dreaming...who do you think should be the GOP nominee in 2008 (most likely opposed by The Evil One, aka Hillary)?

EDIT: The governor of Colorado Is Bill Owens, not Rick. My bad. Can a benevolent, caring mod lend me a hand?

[Augustwest]

They'd be nuts not to run Condi Rice.

They'd make me a sworn enemy for life (and we'd end up with Hillary as President) if they ran Ashcroft.

[SaintofKillers]

They have to run Condi, it will defuse the female vote and black vote although I am sure some blacks will call her an uncle tom. She has much more intellegence than Billary and shes hot too. THat will get the stupid vote, I knew a woman who voted for Clinton because he was better looking the Dole. Another reason why the sheep shouldnt be aloud to vote.

[Skunkabilly]

http://www.presidentialprayerteam.org/images/condirice4.jpg

AzNs can rely on Rice!!! :cool:

[Langenator]

First of all, I apologize for screwing up the first name of the Governor of CO...it should be Bill Owens.

Condi Rice would probably be the best bet as an Anti-Hilary Weapon...but I have several doubts. First of all, the job Ms Rice has publicly stated that she wants when she leaves her current one is commissioner of the NFL, not the Presidency. Second, I haven't seen her express any positions on any issues outside of the national security/foreign policy arena. Anybody out there know her 2A position?

My personal choice is Bill Owens (now that I can get his name right). He was great at keeping state government spending under control, giving Coloradans a tax cut while other states were cutting programs and hiking taxes, and he took on the lefties in Denver, Boulder, etc to pass a state law in May to override local anti-CCW ordinances. Plus, his second term ends in 2006. Perfect.

[Brett Bellmore]

The question is, who's going to be VP in 2004? 'Cause it's really difficult to run anybody else for President in 2008, unless Cheney is still VP, and he bows out as being too old.

[dshimm]

Bill Owens is an ambitious fellow. However, I used to live in CO, and his commitment to the 2A is very weak.

My vote is for Jeb in 2008.

[Skunkabilly]

Condi made some remark about being a Second Amendment absolutist (tm)

Don't know if she'll stand behind that when she's in a position to do something about it though. Hopefully she'll be the one in the current administration to stand up for us.

[Mike Irwin]

Mickey Mouse.

Not a lot of difference between the past couple of White House rodents and the celluloid rodent anyway...

[Kaylee]

I'd like to see 'em run Condi. Just 'cause I wanna watch the libs squirm trying to play the "we're the party of the poor disadvantaged downtrodden like blacks and wom.... um..er....uh." :D


Call it vindictivness if you like, but the combination of what I know of her politics and basic invulnerability to the racism/sexism card wins out for me.

-K

The governor of Colorado Is Bill Owens, not Rick. My bad. Can a benevolent, caring mod lend me a hand? no problem. :)

[Dave R]

From a purely 2nd Amendment standpoint, Ms. Rice may be the best there is. She has stated many times, in many forums, that she is a "2nd Amendment Absolutist".

Love to see her as Veep in '04. That would almost guarantee her the nomination in '08.

[Correia]

Going to have to go with Condi. She spoke once of growing up in Alabama and her father and neighbors, armed with rifles, protecting the neighborhood from Klansmen. I also recall her saying that her opinion of the 2nd Amendment put her just to the right of Chuck Heston. :)

PLus I would pay money to watch the liberals suffer.

[Skunkabilly]

I'd like to see 'em run Condi. Just 'cause I wanna watch the libs squirm trying to play the "we're the party of the poor disadvantaged downtrodden like blacks and wom.... um..er....uh."

Kaylee, exceptions are made for minorities and women that are not of leftist persuasion.

My opinion didn't count because I'm a race-traitor (I listen to Earl Scruggs instead of Tupac) and Colin Powell is an Uncle Tom :rolleyes: My leftist know-it-all White friends were 'More Chinese than me' because they like Panda Express food, like Asian girls, and can even say 'hi, how are you' to me in the Chinese yankee dialect. Besides, wasn't Bill Clinton our 'first Black president'? :banghead:

Leftist minority friends were, of course, equally annoying.

Don't count on the liberals squirming. When the time came, we're going to have the opposition saying that she's trying to detach herself from the 'hood, she's licking the white man's boots, etc. rather than judge her by her merits. Even one of my Black pastors take this crap because the church is in a wealthy White and Asian community.

I'm really tempted to get her autobiography and send it in for her to sign it. I wonder if I can get a framed picture of her with an AR15 or something. She's a cutie (added bonus atop her merit) ;)

[Malone LaVeigh]

I'd vote for Hillary with Janet Reno for VP against any of them...

[dinosaur]

Cheney should bow out for health reasons. He`s a hands on V.P. and Dr. Rice would fit right in. She`d be almost a shoo in for the top spot in `08 but the socialists will crawl through the sewers to stop her. You think Red Davis is a dirty pol? Wait`ll Hillary runs. She`s already got her agents out picking up dirt to slander anyone who runs against her.

[Sean Smith]

It would be an act of pure genius on the part of the Republicans to run Rice for president. Doing so would probably break the spine of the Democratic party, since the only thing that keeps them in the running are the largely reflexive votes of blacks and women.

Thus, I consider it extremely unlikely. Odds are the Repubicans will nominate another taller than average C-grade white guy who went to Yale, and cede the votes of people who don't buy much SPF 45 suncreen and/or have two "X" chromosomes for the forseeable future.

Guliani wouldn't be bad, since at least he's popular (but based on his policies would be a Democrat in half the country anyway, oops). Ashcroft for President would be suicidal... lots of CONSERVATIVES hate his guts, let alone moderates or liberals.

[Skunkabilly]

It would be an act of pure genius on the part of the Republicans to run Rice for president.

Pure genius? She's the obvious answer, I think.

[owen]

I don't know a single person that wouldn't vote for Condi in a heartbeat, but I don't have enough faith in the pols to beleive they will run her.

owen

[Werewolf]

None of the above - that's for sure. With the exception of C Rice and R Giuliani (sp?) none have the name recognition to have a snow ball's chance in hell of beating - :barf: - H. Clinton.

If the Repubs want a chance in '08 they better come up with someone else with a great deal more stature than the folks on the list provided and to be honest right now I can't who that might be.

Damn! :what: Now I'm all worried about Hillary being the Pres? You Bastard! :p

[Sean Smith]

She's the obvious answer, I think.

It only SEEMS that way because of your well-honed tactical brain. :D

[Jeeper]

Rudy is about as much of a Republican as Gore is. A new york republican is more liberal than a texas democrat.

[Waitone]

NewsMax is running a story which says Cheney is having a complete medical facility including an operating room built inside his residence. If you think that is beyond the pale, remember one of the Chevy Suburbans in a presidential motorcade is a fully equipped operating suite. Reagan's assassination attempt is what made it happen.

If Condi is absolutely the smartest move spinelessrepublicans can make then look for the most stupid move to be implemented. Rather than look for the best choice you'd have better luck guessing the most bone-headed play for 2004.

[Ala Dan]

How about a Condi Rice and John Ashcroft ticket? :uhoh:

I believe it would fly! :rolleyes: :D

And really get the Demo's dander up. :neener:

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

[EWTHeckman]

Alan Keyes for President, Condi Rice for VP, Demoncrats for dinner! :evil:

[.45Ruger]

I voted Other, how about Tom Delay for President in 08 he has name recognition and is one of the few Republican's with a spine.

[Frohickey]

Anybody out there know her 2A position?

‘Condi’ Rice: Presbyterian with faith, political mettle (http://www.layman.org/layman/the-layman/2000/no6-nov-dec00/condi-rice.htm)
Today, Rice is a fellow of the Hoover Institute on the Stanford campus, which keeps her connected to the academic community while she travels for and advises Bush. But she is not an academic high-brow immune to common-sense arguments about politics. In one interview, she declared point-blank that she favors the 2nd Amendment (the right to bear arms). She explained: During the days of the civil rights movement, many blacks in Birmingham who were not taking part in demonstrations and thereby not committed to nonviolence believed they had the right to defend themselves if attacked.

another quote
In a pleasantly meandering conversation over lunch in San Francisco last summer, Condoleezza Rice, then still provost of Stanford but already unofficially what she now is officially, George W. Bush's senior foreign policy adviser, was asked her thoughts about gun control. "I am," she answered crisply, "a Second Amendment absolutist." Growing up in Birmingham, Ala., in the early 1960s, when racial tensions rose, there were, she said, occasions when the black community had to exercise its right to bear arms in self-defense, becoming, if you will, a well-regulated militia. (Emphasis in red in original)

[Enigma345]

Condi Rice / Ron Paul, now that would be an interesting ticket.

[Sergeant Bob]

another quote
In a pleasantly meandering conversation over lunch in San Francisco last summer, Condoleezza Rice, then still provost of Stanford but already unofficially what she now is officially, George W. Bush's senior foreign policy adviser, was asked her thoughts about gun control. "I am," she answered crisply, "a Second Amendment absolutist." Growing up in Birmingham, Ala., in the early 1960s, when racial tensions rose, there were, she said, occasions when the black community had to exercise its right to bear arms in self-defense, becoming, if you will, a well-regulated militia. (Emphasis in red in original)
There ya go Frohicky, just got to make it red before you make it bold

[Billll]

Yes, Bill Owens signed Colorados CCW and pre-emption bills, but he got a rep here as "governor gun-control" for his support of amendment 22, which turned almost all gun transactions into a "gun show", with all the attendant background checks.
What he is, is very lucky. He had a Repub controled house, that wouldn't compromise on it's principles, and a Dem controled senate with similar inclinations. Therefore, little got passed, and what did had enough bipartisan support that it was politically safe to sign. We have the TABOR law restricting tax hikes, and other stuff limiting runaway spending, so under those circumstances my dog would have looked good as governor. Once we got a Repub senate, in the last election, we started getting better gun laws, but repealing some of the dumber ones is still not in the cards, as the majority is only one seat, and political courage is scarce.
Gov. Bill is a nice, photogenic fellow, but, to quote Jabba the Hut: "I like Mr Owens right where he is."

[Nightfall]

I voted Rice myself. Having her as President would be a great move for 2nd Amendment supporters that would be very hard for the liberals to counter. :D

[Hot brass]

Condi Rice running against H. Clinton in 2008:what:
I voted for Rice. Common sence woman.

[Moparmike]

I know next to nothing about Condi.

Ron Paul in '08!:D ;)

[Langenator]

The Dems would do say the same (and worse) things about Condi...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2003/10/17/national1613EDT0681.DTL&type=printable

That being said...I'm changing my vote to Condi...anything that works Dems into that sort of sputtering, incoherent frenzy has to be a good thing.

[Chris Rhines]

These are the top choices?

Nope, still no republicans worth voting for.

- Chris

[PeteyPete]

Definately Rice...not just b/c she's hard to villify, but b/c she's extremely smart, pro-gun, and has all the credentials neccessary to be a fine Pres.

My only fear is that a large % of the hardcore Republican party would find a black, female candidate unpalatable. I'm not sure about that, but it would be a lingering fear if she were to run.

There are also many fine republicans that would make a good Pres...Delay the exterminator, Hagel, Keyes, John Kasich, and Jeb Bush. Ron Paul would be my first choice, but i don't think he'd have much to run on....Dr. No would only be able to say that he voted against everything, which might not sound so hot to many of the looneys out there cancelling out our vote.

[Langenator]

OK...I've think I have now come up with my dream GOP 2008 ticket...one guaranteed to drive the Dems into apoplectic fits...and set the GOP up for success in 2016...

President: Condi Rice
VP: Bobby Jindal (assuming wins his current race for governor of Louisiana)

Jindal's website: http://www.bobbyjindal.com/index.html

NR likes him, and Michelle Malkin describes him as pro-gun? Anyone from Loozana know any more?

[BenW]

"That does not mean that any of us would and will give a pass to an unqualified nominee simply because she is a minority candidate," said Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif.
It worked for Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif.

[Quartus]

her opinion of the 2nd Amendment put her just to the right of Chuck Heston.


Oh, that's disappointing. I hope she meant FAR to the right of "sensible assault weapons ban" Chuck. He's no friend of ours. I think he thinks he is, and he wants to be, but like most Republicans, he doesn't really understand the foundational principles and he's bought into the siren song of compromise.




As for Alan Keyes, I have to echo what was said about the CO guvner - I like him right where he is. He writes and speaks VERY well, but I don't think he's Presidential material. I used to, but he's just shown too much immaturity and he's been on the wrong side of some very important principles in the past few years.

I look for Cheney to resign for health reasons in the first year after the election. I am very much afraid that the Repubs will nominate that RINO Tom Ridge and try to run him in '08.

A lot depends on what we do with Congress. We can't elect a King every 4 to 8 years and ignore the legislative branch and think things will get better.


And if SS Ashcroft is on the ticket I will NOT vote for the Rebublican ticket! :fire:

[longeyes]

We were supposed to see Hillary run against Rudy. Let it be.

Rice has no elected office experience. Suggest she accumulate some first.
Certainly she's a promising GOP future candidate. She's staunch on
RKBA--and God knows that's rare enough these days.

[Quartus]

Rice has no elected office experience. Suggest she accumulate some first.


As she has pointed out herself. She has hinted that her sights are set on Arnold's new job. Of course, that was before it was Arnold's job. A lot will depend on how big a mess he makes out of it.


If ******* doesn't get it (pray!), I think Condi will be our first woman President.

[labgrade]

"Gov. Bill is a nice, photogenic fellow, but, to quote Jabba the Hut: "I like Mr Owens right where he is."

'Zactly = term-limited & hopefully nowhere to go.

Owens' stance on the 2nd - after the Columbine incident - is what galvanized the Tyrany Response Team to form.

He was first to sign the "close the gun-show loophole" amendment petition.

He is a politico - pure & simple.

[gburner]

I'm actually with Malone on this one...I'd vote for Mrs. Clinton with Janet Reno for VP as well.

Right after I bathe in honey, take a couple of Quaaludes and pass out naked on a fire ant mound.:rolleyes:

[greyhound]

President: Condi Rice
VP: Bobby Jindal (assuming wins his current race for governor of Louisiana)

Good Lord, can you imagine if this really happened? The race would be over immediately as all the liberals and leftists would spontaneously combust at the news!:D

Gee, just think of the ramifications if its Hilary vs. Condaleeza: how would the "USA is run by evil rich men" leftist spin this?

[Langenator]

I just had the amusing thought that somewhere over at the Brady Campaign or DU someone is posting a story, based on this thread, saying something to the tune of "Gun Nuts Overwhelmingly Endorse Rice for Pres in 2008."

:D :evil:

[Atticus]

John Kasich/Connie Rice or visa-versa.

http://www.newcenturyproject.org/home/home_about.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,21715,00.html

[cookhj]

sen george allen from VA

[Felonious Monk]

Talk about tearing down the Demonrat curtain!

"Pay NO attention to the little man behind the curtain! I am the MIGHTY OZ!"

Condi, the attractive, eloquent, scholarly, conservative woman of color...
Running as a Republican...

but I'm not sure which I like better to stir Fear and Loathing 'mongst the librulls...

Condi, or Jeb. They HATE the Bushes. That alone is enough for me to vote for him.

Condi's my first choice, but either will do. BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!

[Orbital-Burn]

ok yall, I know yall are bein serious about who best to defeat the antichrist, but in a perfect USA, we'd have the Rock as president, and Stone Cold as our Sec State

[AZLibertarian]

What--no John McCain???

Just kiddin' folks...no flames please.

Seriously, the idea of Tom Ridge--or someone like him--seems like the route the politicos will take. As impressive as Ms. Rice is, she still has held no elective office, and perhaps isn't seen as a known quantity. I can't help but believe that the R's will go with a more traditional candidate. But let's not kid ourselves. We're talking about something that won't be close to being decided 4 years in the future. There's lots that can happen between now and then.

[LynnMassGuy]

I would vote for Rice. I would like to see Mitt Romney on the ticket.

[Mark Tyson]

I don't think you guys realize how anti-gun Guliani is. There was a very liberal Republican in my area, and Guliani stumped for her, saying how she supported "common sense" gun control.

We all know what that means.

I hope she meant FAR to the right of "sensible assault weapons ban" Chuck.

Heston? He opposed the assault weapons ban. He made some comments about how you don't need a fully automatic rifle like an AK-47 once, but he then said that he was still against the 1986 FOPA amendment .

[longeyes]

Rice has no elective experience.

The Master Plan is for Jeb Bush to run, no? With George P. Bush to run eight years later?

If that isn't manifest destiny I don't know what is.

Personally, I believe we need to find some new blood from the West, people have risen in the new economy and know how, from the ground up, how to make money and understand the importance of our basic freedoms.

[Langenator]

You know, if he can pull of the win in the WA governor's race this year, Dino Rossi might be an interesting candidate, if not in 2008, then in 2012 or 2016.

Not sure on his 2A position. AFAIK, the only recent gun related state level gun legislation in WA was an attempt by the state legislature's version of Jim McDermott to add firearms to the list of 'weapons of mass destruction' in a state anti-terror law.

However, as state Senate Majority Leader, Rossi was instrumental in passing a balanced state budget, without having to raise taxes. Better than W has done.

[Bruce H]

Rice might be alright but I'm not too thrilled with the WMD fiasco. Not having held elective office doesn't bother me. Look at some of the lying crooks who are and have been elected before. Any of the rest on the list need to stay home. We got rid of Ashcroft in this state only to have him turn up in a position to cause more damage. What I would take over anybody else is a business owner who has kept his business in the black. Somebody who has experience dealing with international clients for supplies. Somebody with a great understanding of Debits and credits. Anybody from either party who understands that you can't rob Peter to pay Paul. Somebody who understands the Constitution isn't a living document. It means what it says.


Condi Rice and Zell Miller might work.

[Publicola]

I went with "other" in the poll.

Owens? he'd make gun ownrs tie a pink ribbon around the barrel if he thought he could squeeze a .5% increase in a poll. He'd make Bush (either one) seem pro-gun.

Rice - honestly I'm not too familiar with her views. What I've read here is encouraging, but I want to see her expand on what she means before I believe she's an absolutist.

As far as Repubs go, the best possible ticket would be Ron Paul & Alan Keyes. You might disagree with them over matters of policy here & there, but they're the only two people I know of in a major party who would bother to read the constitution to see if they are allowed to do something (as members of government that is). Everyone else seems to read the constitution only when forced to justify how this new law doesn't violate a provision of the BoR.

Doubt it'll happen, but it'd be nice for a change to hear someone in charge say, "I'm sorry, but the u.S. government is simply not constitutionally permitted to do that".

[HBK]

Condi. She's brilliant.

[BowStreetRunner]

i would be thrilled to have Condi run, no elected office doesnt bother me, most of the politicos i know about have not been improved in judgement or morals since they were elected.....and eisenhower (sp?) didnt have any, Lincoln had next to none but lots of experience losing elections, so why not?
and you know you are cool when you have an exxon tanker named after you! (althought they changed the name of the ship)
....although the libs would probably use that as evidence that she is all about "big business".....the same "big business" that gives millions of jobs to Americans.......
BSR

[seeker_two]

How about we elect a CONSERVATIVE this time around?...:banghead:

[bjengs]

What a list: not a single conservative on it.

Ron Paul is the only Republican who has even read the Constitution. He'd get my vote and my $ support.

[bjengs]

BowStreetRunner saidalthough the libs would probably use that as evidence that she is all about "big business".....the same "big business" that gives millions of jobs to AmericansWell, I think that's the first post I've seen in ages that didn't bitch about the big businesses "sending all our jobs overseas." I hear less of that junk from the libs than I do from the protectionist right-wing types.

[/hijack]

[labgrade]

I submit Ron Paul, w/Marilyn Musgrave (CO's 4th congress) as the VP.

My vote in '02 was for Alan Keys till it was wire-time & then for Bush, just because of the alternatives.

Sadly, The Shrub, nor the Repub-owned congress, hasn't lived up to oexpectations.

One thing one must consider in all this, the Prez only has the bully pulpit, & can certainly wring hands, but cannot propose, or defeat any legsilation, only sign, or veto.

Or that's the theory, anyway.

[modifiedbrowning]

I want Rummy!

[M1911Owner]

Definitely Ron Paul! Maybe Tom McClintock--he sounded pretty good in the recent California governor's race, but I don't really know in detail where he stands on things. Too bad the Soviets killed Larry McDonald--he could have gotten me to vote for a Democrat!

[HunterGatherer]

I know next to nothing about Condi.That's a shame. She is one of the smartest folks around.

Ron Paul will never rise any higher than his current niche, the wishes of some folks here notwithstanding.

WMD fiasco? Hah. Same intel for over 12 years. No reason whatsoever to believe that Sodom destroyed what he had. Zero evidence that he had destroyed them. Not to mention that Sodom was a WMD all by his ownself.

As to no elected office experience? I view that as a good thing. Time spent crawling up the rungs of lesser offices just eats away at the soul. It corrupts. It makes one jaded and cynical. I say the person with the most going on upstairs in the ol' monkeymind department ought to run the show. Provided of course that the bright bulb is level-headed and not some egghead blissninny. Can you say Jimmuh Cahtuh? Sure you can. :rolleyes:

[HBK]

Jimmy Carter gave southern boys a bad name. How did he get along growing up in the South without getting his rump kicked all the time? His view of national security is to just give the enemy a big old hug. What a moron. :rolleyes:

[Delmar]

I think the Republicans do a much better job of being conservative when they are in the minority-at least thats what it looks like to me now. The Dems don't much seem to change much-they're a bunch of crybabies when they are in power and they cry when they are not.

[Kestrel]

******* becoming President is the most frightening thing I can think of in the near future...

[cracked butt]

Interestingly enough My coworkers and I were talking about this subject earlier tonight, we all came up with the consensus that Condi is the only way to win in 2008. The democrats will most likely run ******* who is a very devisive person, who will draw the liberal base to the polls. The Repubs have noone with name recognition worth running. I would not get excited about voting for a Bill Frist or a Trent Lott.

Condi against *******- now that would be a race to watch.

Zell Miller could be the running mate for Condi, which would be nothing short of excellent.:D

[general]

Paul/Rice
Rice/Paul
Either way - it seems to be the way to go.. The ticket.
Now if Cheney gets a health issue.. get Condi in as VP... then POTUS w/ Paul as VP.

[GunWares]

Ashcroft is a moron. I'm surprised you included him as a choice. What about Colin Powell or Donald Rumsfeld?

[romulus]

Powell is a moron and Rumsfeld is a professional bureaucrat.

[fix]

Condi, with Alan Keyes as VP.

And I'm a White Southern Conservative ™!!!

To those who vote for Rudy. Kiss your 2nd Amendment rights goodbye.

[Partisan Ranger]

If Hillary runs in 08:barf:, the GOP will need to run something other than a white male. Or, at least have a female and/or minority in the VP slot.

Hillary is utterly untouchable in the mainstream press. No white male will be allowed to lay a glove on her. Otherwise they'll get the Rick Lazio treatment. Hillary will play the woman-victim role for a few minutes...her henchpeople will decry the evil white guy saying such HORRIBLE things about a lady.

Then she'll come back saying the white male running wants to put poor children of color through a meatgrinder and make them into sausage and take the profits and give it to Haliburton. Or something like that. ....

[longeyes]

This forum is full of optimists.

What makes you think there will even be an '08 Election? I've had my doubts on that for years and nothing I'm seeing now has changed my mind.

If Kerry takes the White House the next four years will be tumultous and unpredictable. If Bush wins, same thing.

Hillary is no lock to win anything, and Condi Rice is unlikely, with her current resume lacking elective offic experience, to vault to leading GOP candidate, whatever her talents.

What is really appalling is the paucity of good, younger, visible GOP candidates. (And for that matter why aren't those people out there defending Bush and his policies, forcefully, right now?) I think Bush himself is the reason for this. He's focused on his Dad's friends and the dynastic successors (Jeb, George P.) instead of grooming some young turks who can represent the best of the Party in the future.

We are, frankly, at a sorry pass right now.

[MacViolinist]

Another vote for Ron Paul. Of course, we would probably have to make him governor here first.....


-drew

[wingnutx]

Rice, or Gary Johnson (former gov of New Mexico)

I only say this because P.J. O'Rourke is not going to run :|

[tcdrennen]

if Condi Rice was willing to run, I'd :what: register as Republican :barf: and work for the campaign full time.

And I've voted the straight Libertarian ticket since 1972 (John Hospers) :cool:

[DigitalWarrior]

Elections will be suspended due to the catastrophic and unexpected attack on the Homeland in October 08. Martial law will be declared until order is restored.

[geekWithA.45]

Considering that over 60% of us want a black woman to be the GOP President of the US in 2008,

I don't ever want to hear about how gunowners are conservative, racist male chauvanists ever again.

[Sean Smith]

Regardless of who they nominate, I think the Republicans are in danger of the demographics eventually making them go the way of the dodo...

- Men overall are split about 54/42 Republican/Democrat.
- Most Women (who outnumber men) vote Democrat by the same margin.
- Essentially all black people vote Democrat (90%+).
- Hispanics voted heavily Democrat in the last election (64/32%), AND vote at a much higher rate than the national average (71% vs 51%).

The Republicans need to find some way to get other than white dudes to vote for their party, or they will die out on the national scene as their base's population grows more slowly than the base of their opposition.

[Shooter 2.5]

Rice

[longeyes]

"The Republicans need to find some way to get other than white dudes to vote for their party, or they will die out on the national scene as their base's population grows more slowly than the base of their opposition."

It's not the Republicans who will die off, it's the Republic. That is why the real question is whether there is a piece of turf on this Continent that will retain its allegiance to the fundamental principles laid down by the Founding Fathers. Demographic trends point to the extinction of the flame of freedom. To me that implies secession. For this nation to remain one is going to mean being enveloped by the statists, it's only a matter of time.

"Elections will be suspended due to the catastrophic and unexpected attack on the Homeland in October 08. Martial law will be declared until order is restored."

History, my friend, is built upon the Unthinkable and the catastrophic--or what you call "tinfoil." Rock on.

[labgrade]

HunterGatherer,

I agree that Ron Paul hasn't a chance - doubt he;s even on any committee that could make any nevermind - the real ones seldom do.

Do watch out for Bill Owens/current CO Guvernor though. He's young (enough), baby-faced & touted about as the next comer for fed office. Too, he's term limited out as of '06 (?). Best bet for him is to go for a CO Senate seat or fed office.

He's no friend of ours - 'Pub, or not, & knows very well how to play The Game.

The 'Pubs, soon as this next election cycle is over, absolutely must start pushing a couple folk more prominently into the spotlight.

Regardless of what our wishes, you'll start to see the RNC focusing more & more on certain talking heads to gather in that light.

[stevelyn]

Rice/Paul
Rice/Keyes
Rice/Rumsfeld
Or any combination of the above.

[RWK]

Tom Ridge.

[HunterGatherer]

Tom RidgeLMAO

[Patent Works]

By George F. Will
Sunday , August 6, 2000

In a pleasantly meandering conversation over lunch in San Francisco last summer, Condoleezza Rice, then still provost of Stanford but already unofficially what she now is officially, George W. Bush's senior foreign policy adviser, was asked her thoughts about gun control. "I am," she answered crisply, "a Second Amendment absolutist." Growing up in Birmingham, Ala., in the early 1960s, when racial tensions rose, there were, she said, occasions when the black community had to exercise its right to bear arms in self-defense, becoming, if you will, a well-regulated militia.

...continued at http://www.nysata.com/Condoleezza%20Rice.htm

[Patent Works]

February 25, 2003
The Rice Update

In an earlier post, I mentioned that I was searching for answers on Condolezza Rice's stand on gun control. I've only recently gotten back to Condi: The Condoleezza Rice Story, but it didn't take long to find the goods. Ms. Rice grew up in Birmingham, Alabama during the civil-rights movement. This is from a section describing the bombings and related violence of 1963 (p. 50):

With the bombings that summer came marauding groups of armed white vigilantes called "nightriders" who drove through black neighborhoods shooting and setting fires. Condi's father and other neighborhood men guarded their streets at night to keep the nightriders away from their homes. Armed with shotguns, they formed night-long patrols. The memory of her father out on patrol forms Condi's opposition to gun control today. Had those guns been registered, she argues, Bull Connor would have had a legal right to take them away, thereby removing one of the black community's only means of defense. "I have a sort of pure Second Amendment view of the right to bear arms," Condi said in 2001.

I can hear the objections brewing. Just call the police. They'll protect you. But what do you do when the police are in on it?

Shores [a friend of the Rice family and a prominent black lawyer -- Ed] and others knew that going to the police didn't help because the police department itself played a role in the bombings. "The police would show up and tell everybody to get off the streets," said Birmingham historian Pam King. "They'd clear the streets and the Klan would come through and throw the bombs. They weren't looking out for the safety of the citizens, they were just trying to clear the way for the Klu Klux Klan to come through and bomb." When a firebomb landed in the Rices' neighborhood--a dud that didn't go off--John Rice took it to the police and requested an investigation, but they would not conduct an inquiry.

When the authorities are corrupt or indifferent, you're on your own. Heck, you're on your own anyway, it's just that most people aren't ready to admit it. Posted by Aubrey at February 25, 2003 07:33 PM

http://www.aubreyturner.org/archives/000236.html#000236

[grampster]

Awwwwwwwww Shoot!! Geek with a 45 beat me to the punchline.
:p :p

[CarlS]

I'd vote for Rice in a hearbeat. No elected office experince? That's a good thing; she's not corrupted yet.

Powell is a moron and Rumsfeld is a professional bureaucrat.

On what do you base this? My experience with him is that he is honest, firm in his convictions, cares about his subordinates, and is a darn fine leader. I may not agree with all of his views; but he is definitely [b}not[/b] a moron.

[romulus]

firm in his convictions
I remember in 1996, when he was considering a run for the presidency, he talked about "not having developed a political philosophy yet..." I believe he was 52 at the time. So then what are his convictions? What convictions has he developed in the last eight years?

I was unfair in characterizing him as moron perhaps, nonetheless his intellect is considered less-than-stellar by military colleagues. Naturally I can only refer what I read, which supports the impression I get whenever I hear him speak.

[HunterGatherer]

http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/stopKKK_s.jpg

Thank you Condi, and thank you Oleg!

[CarlS]

I remember in 1996, when he was considering a run for the presidency, he talked about "not having developed a political philosophy yet..." I believe he was 52 at the time. So then what are his convictions? What convictions has he developed in the last eight years?

Political philosphy and personal convictions are not one in the same by any means. Clinton, Kennedy and Kerry demonstrate that all too well. I doubt if General Powell's convictions have changed much in the last eight years; I surely hope not.

Keep in mind when you read criticisms, a number of his peers resented his fast climb to the top and his leapfrog to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. Enlisted soldiers and junior officers who served under him have a great deal of respect for him. I'm not advocating him for president; I don't even know where he stands on Second Amendment rights. I don't know what his political philosophy is either. As I said in my post above, he is a fine human being and a man of integrity, ethics, and convictions and a good leader. I was just questioning labeling him a moron, which you clarified.

[Peetmoss]

I honestly don't think Rice could win in this day and age. She would have to over come two very big obstacles. First she is a woman. Second she is an African American. We have never had either for a President let alone a V.P... I honestly believe that the bigotry she would most definitely encounter could not be over come by the minority vote she could secure.

However from what I know of her so far I would vote for her just don't think she has a snowballs chance in hell of winning while she is a viable candidate.

[Erik]

Rice or Powel would be a nice ticket. It would certainly send the Dems into a tail spin. Flip flop either around on the ticket as desired.

[Sean Smith]

I was unfair in characterizing him as moron perhaps, nonetheless his intellect is considered less-than-stellar by military colleagues.

... all of whom he outranked. ;)

[bjengs]

Look, neither party puts up principled candidates anymore. (Did they ever?) The Democratic base wanted either Kucinich or Dean. I realize we don't agree with their principles in general hee, but if you were a Dem, you would have wanted one of those two guys. But the two guys are going to be established centrist insiders, Kerry and Edwards.

(Yes, CENTRIST. Just like Clinton was a centrist. Don't follow their statements, follow their voting records. Of course, a centrist is still far from conservative.)

Similarly, the Republicans don't want Ron Paul, a true conservative, anywhere near the election race. Alan Keyes was the closest thing to a conservative last time around, and he had no chance whatsoever. Condi claims to be a 2A "absolutist," so what chance do you think she will have against the usual menagerie of losers the Repub's trot out there?

[George Hill]

"Don Nickles" :confused:
I thought it said Don Rickles.... You hockey puck.

Condi - She is in her position thanks to hard work and not political butt-kissing like the other politicians.
However, before I'd would vote for her, I would want to know where she stands on all the issues.
Namely: Is she on OUR side?

[Akurat]

Frist / Rice or vice versa.

[Jeeper]

Why is Rudy listed. He is about as much of a republican as clinton.

[fix]

bjengs,

If you think Kerry is a centrist, you need to see a doctor!!! He's a total pinko, and his voting record reflects it.

[romulus]

... all of whom he outranked.
I guess you can only speak frankly and objectively about those beneath you...sounds rather elitist

[Delmar]

romulus: I think Sean was referring to the opinions of the people who served under Powell.

I served under Powell when he was a Brigadier, but since Henry Emerson was the division commander at the time, Powell didn't have a chance to make much of an impact directly.

He was pretty much working behind the scenes as most assistant division commanders do, and what I remember of him was his being pretty much business like in his dealings with the troops. There was some minor talk about his race-nothing ugly, but in the early 70's, serving under a black general was about as common as a teary-eyed drill sergeant.

There was a lot of racket about Powell's rise to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, as he had not been NATO commander, or a Corps commander-heck, I can't even recall him in command of a division, but you can hardly fault him for that. Eisenhower did not have his "ticket punched" in the traditional way either and was more than up for the job.

Powell strikes me as a bit left of some of my beliefs, but as was mentioned before, nobody is going to truly represent you but you. I can deal with somebody if they have integrity, even though I may disagree with them on some things.

[romulus]

Delmar, that's fascinating.

The thing about Powell and his lack of "political philosophy" at age 52: it sounded phony and self-serving, like someone sucking his index and raising it to the breeze...who doesn't have a socio-political set of beliefs at 52???!!! That's what led me to believe he's not a politician driven by principle. A decent man? I don't doubt it. A capable administrator? I have no problem with that. The Presidency sets an ethical tone as even the cynical ones have been forced to admit courtesy of the sociopath from Arkansas. I just don't see Powell as being ACTIVELY good for the country, the party, and the rights we hold dear, certainly not in the 2nd Am. arena. Not saying he would be actively bad either, I just find enough about him to disqualify him in my eyes as a pro-2nd Am. Prez...

[Langenator]

On Guiliani...

Since I originally posted this way back when, I have heard about something much more constructive that Guliani could do than run for POTUS in 2008...run for Senate against Hillary Clinton in 2006. Last I looked, polls showed in as an extremely tight race, with some polls even having Rudi slightly ahead.

Worst case: Rudi loses, but forces Hillary to expend large amounts of effort and draining her campaign fund (not that I have any doubts about her ability to refill said fund...but resources expended are resources not available later.)

Best case: Rudi wins, putting a huge crimp in Hillary's plans to be dictator of the universe (face it...someone who can't even hold onto her own Senate seat is unlikely to be seen as able to win a national election). I know Rudi is far from the ideal Senator, but he would for sure be much better than Hillary.

[Delmar]

I'm with you on your thoughts, romulus. I could not tell you what his stance on 2A is, and in any given candidate, I want to know.

I am not a one issue voter, but IMO, the stand a candidate takes on 2A seems to reflect their attitude towards our Bill of Rights and the Constitution.

Maybe that is because 2A seems to be a popular whipping boy with the left, and appears to be the most controversial right of the people. And that is, to me anyway, a very sad commentary for American politics.

I personally hold the Constitution and all of the amendments as being equally important, with the Second Amendment being the base and back stop of all of the rest. I gets real simple for me:

If a candidate does not trust the American people to be armed, then I have no faith in the candidate's ability to uphold, support, and defend the rest of the Constitution.

It does not matter to me that he/she may have worn the country's uniform for a month or a lifetime-Kerry being a fine example. It seems as though the vast majority of politicians look at our rights as something bargainable.

If this trend does not stop, most people here are eventually going to become criminals under the laws they pass to "protect" us. Paper is not power-the people are.

[twoblink]

Being asian, I'd have to go with Rice.. :D

[CarlS]

Delmar, I agree with you; we think alike on the 2nd Amendment and the constitution.

Romulus, I think that probably what Powell meant was he did not have a political philosophy that correlated with either party. Many in the military are apolitical. They/we vote for who supports us and our ideals. Increasingly, that has been the Republican Party; but that was not necessarily always the case. I don’t think that Powell thought a lot about polities, period, until he reached the four star rank and had to be political.

I think that Powell may be more liberal than a lot of the military; but his core values of home, family, etc. are most definitely conservative. And he definitely supports the constitution. I do not know how he views the 2nd Amendment.

Again, I was not advocating him for President, although I think he would be a darn site better than anything the Dems are offering. I was just saying that he is an honest, fair man, a good leader, a man of solid ethics, and a man with great personal integrity.

Let me say it this way, I would follow General Powell in combat any day.

[Tom Bri]

Donald rumsfeld seems to be the smartest man in Repub circles, and that guy can talk! He would run circles around any Dem out there, even Hillary. I would love to see him run, but I don't think the Rs will do it.

I think the Rs should retire Cheney and run Rice as VP this time around. Especially if Hillary is running VP with Kerry, which seems the Ds best chance. Cheney is a big minus politically, and he can easily get out by claiming medical trouble, without losing face.

So Rice gets her political training as VP, setting her up for the big run next go around.

The liberals like to think all conservatives are racist. I think Rice would kick a**. I would love love love to see her run against Hillary!

[Kentucky Rifle]

Can you just IMAGINE how she would make Hillary look in a debate? Hillary is only "pseudo-smart". Dr. Rice is genuinely smart. Brilliant, in fact. The democrats must tremble at the thought of an honest debate between the two women. :)

KR

[RocketMan]

Rice has no elective experience.
Rice has no elected office experience. Suggest she accumulate some first.
As impressive as Ms. Rice is, she still has held no elective office...
Everyone seems to see this as a bad thing. I do not.
I submit, we always elect someone with elective office experience, and you can see where that has gotten us.

[patent]

Rice would be a great candidate but for one fault. She has described herserlf as pro-choice or "mildly" pro-choice, etc. Seems the Republicans have a hard time finding good candidates who appeal to their larger grass roots constituencies: RKBAs and Pro-life.

Personally, I couldn't vote for a ticket that had anyone even mildly pro-choice on it. Also won't vote for a gun grabber. Bush is pretty close to the line for me, Rice is over it.

patent

[MBG]

[Wacky Predictions]
If the R’s put Rice on the ticket in ’04 and ’08, they will be accused of disenfranchising the African American vote.

Why? Because, historically, 90% of the African American vote goes to the Democratic party. By placing a qualified, conservative black woman on the ticket, African Americans will stay away from the polls, so as to not confront the incongruity of voting for a black AND voting for a Republican.

Or, so the pundits will say.
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Marty