Explaining Credit Card Concealed Carry


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bobmcd
May 24, 2009, 12:13 PM
The general public seems to believe (as mislead by the MSM) that the Credit Card law allows anyone and everyone to carry any weapon they like in a National Park for any reason. They don't seem to realize that the law just makes the STATE law govern weapons in National Parks. The main impact is that, for example, a Virginian with a CHP can drive from one side of the Shenandoah National Park to the other without breaking Federal Law.

Here is the actual provision from HR 627:

"The Secretary of the Interior shall not promulgate or enforce any regulation that prohibits an individual from possessing a firearm including an assembled or functional firearm in any unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System if--
(1) the individual is not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing the firearm; and
(2) the possession of the firearm is in compliance with the law of the State in which the unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System is located"

(From the Gov't Printing Office web site: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h627eas.txt)

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kingpin008
May 24, 2009, 12:43 PM
Ok...so what's your plan of action?

Hungry Seagull
May 24, 2009, 12:49 PM
The Gun Amendment for Parks is just something tacked onto a credit card bill.

The entire credit card thing will be overhauled already come about July 2010.

The Government seems to have wanted to hurry up the credit card thing and do a bill to make it go faster than July 2010 as political capital. Or perhaps as a part of a effort to get the banks moving along to cover thier debt load with more capital etc.

I doubt anyone who carrys credit card debt or banks that hold the debt will last into 2010 anyway.

The entire bill does not give the Credit Card holder ALL the protections they can use. Alot of it has been watered down in the most typical washington DC fashion.

Cannonball888
May 24, 2009, 12:55 PM
As long as I can legally carry my credit card through a national park.

Hungry Seagull
May 24, 2009, 12:59 PM
He he.. Ive already ditched several 24% credit cards and concealed a few 6.8% fixed cards deep in a safe and vault.

Those cards will be VERY well concealed in a Park just in case they accept credit cards to enjoy nature. /sarcasm...

bobmcd
May 24, 2009, 01:04 PM
It's just that when (non-shooting) people freak out over the idea that "OMG! guns in the national parks! That's crazy!" I wanted to be able to point out to them the facts: that it's just the removal of a federal restriction in favor of existing state law. The MSM seems to be telling the gullible public that Yosemite will now become the OK Corral.

All I intended by the OP was to give people the exact quote of the law in question (it's not very long or convoluted) so that we can tell people what is actually going on. It took a bit of digging on my part; nothing huge, but Google does not seem to lead to the (gasp) ACTUAL TEXT of the law. All the Google hits I found had diatribe on either the pro- or anti-side, but no one seemed to actually lay out the letter of the law. For that I had to use the search engine in gov't web sites.

In the forlorn hope that facts can help dispel at least a little of the MSM hysteria. (I know, not much probability of that...)

MartyG
May 24, 2009, 01:16 PM
I sent an email to Fox News. Shep Smith had reported that because of the law, YOU can now carry a loaded weapon into the park. I told them this was not true unless YOU were one of the 5-10% CCL'ers in that state. Etc, etc. No response, even from Fox.
The media plays it as if everyone can now carry in the park, as the OP said.

archigos
May 24, 2009, 02:10 PM
As long as I can legally carry my credit card through a national park.
That's not constitutionally guaranteed - do it while you can!

Hungry Seagull
May 24, 2009, 02:36 PM
5 to 10% of CCW'ers? in a state? I think not.

I will have to dive into the CIA Factbook and find out Arkansas's population recently but we are 65,000 CCW strong and gaining a few thousand each quarter.

Years ago we were expected to CARRY into a national forest against bears, wolves etc because civilization is left behind. I dont understand how over the decades somehow that got nuetered.

hso
May 25, 2009, 11:55 AM
Not the forum for this.
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=270671

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