[Gus Dddysgrl]

Ok so last night in my Advanced Composition class we were talking about gender roles. The prof asked what gender roles we had resisted. Since no one was talking I decided to put in my 2¢. I said most girls don't like guns, and since I was raised by a gun nut I am unlike most other girls. I love guns and enjoy going to tha range with my dad. My prof gave me the most horrified look. It was as if I had shown her one. The cool thing is one of the other girls kicked in and said she doesn't go shooting or anything much, but she used to do archery. She said was fine with guns and all, but doesn't have time to do it.

I know there are a lot of females here who like to shoot and collect guns and all that. So I guess what I was wondering is it really that big of a "gender role" and stereotype that only guys like guns? Maybe I'm just a sheltered little gun nut raised by a gun nut.

Gus

[Keith]

Yeah, it's true - most women don't like guns. And it IS a gender role reinforced by a male dominated society (or some other politically correct description...). And unfortunately, THIS particular gender role is one that is also reinforced by the feminists themselves - which makes no sense to me...

And it's a shame, because not only are guns a great equalizer (men ARE generally stronger than girls, sorry...), but women make up 50% of the voting public and without them on our side we are at a disadvantage.

Bring your wives and women friends to the range. Teach your daughters to shoot. Make efforts to recruit women into your shooting club or range.

Change the atmosphere and the perception, and the change in reality will soon follow.

Keith

[C.R.Sam]

Both my grannies were gunnies.
One for pot fillin with rifle or shotgun
The other for sport, shotgun; and packed a .44 for defence when travelin.

Mom was heavy duty trap shooter and also enjoyed rifle and handguns.

Daughter, the professor, is into sport shootin , self defence and RKBA.

And the grandkids are genetically gunnies.

A family thing I guess.

Sam

[hillbilly]

I teach college composition.

I want to say that I would have paid $20 American cash money to have been in the classroom when you announced to the class that you like guns and shooting, and subsequently horrified the prof.

hillbilly

[shermacman]

My 12 year old daughter is being raised by a gun nut...:evil: She loves my collection of .22 rifles and pistols. She is still a little terrified of my U.S Rifle, Caliber .30, M-1 rifle. But recently we did a few rounds of trap with a 20 gauge shot gun that fit her just fine. Every once in a while she will shock her friends' parents and her teachers with a knowledgeable comment about firearms. Like the time she confronted our bliss-ninny State Representative about the fact that trigger locks actually increase the danger to home owners and their families. I was so proud of her!

[Detachment Charlie]

And, I'd pay $20 just to hear the word "sex" used appropriately instead of the misused "gender." ARRRRGH:banghead:

But, my daughter loves to shoot. And if I hear any of y'all talking about sex and my daughter in the same paragraph, you'll learn more about shootin' than y'all ever wanted. :p

[Sparker]

Gus Dddysgrl,

You have the same wicked glee inside you as my daughter does.

In her sophmore year, one of her teachers started ranting lies about guns and danger in the home. She stood up, when the teacher finished her spiel, and gave the class actual numbers of how many people defend their homes with firearms, how many deaths are caused by doctors poor care and how many kids drown every year.

The teacher didn't reply, she stood there frozen with her mouth open and thankfully the bell rang about ten seconds later. My daughter was one of the last kids to leave the class and she told me the teacher was still frozen to the floor. I wonder what the rest of her day was like after being made an idiot by a 14 year old?

[Sunray]

Quit calling yourself a 'nut'. You aren't a nut. You're are a participant in a healthy safe sport. So's yer da.
"...The prof asked what gender roles we had resisted..." What remarkable restraint. I'd have jumped up and said, "Female English teacher.". Except I'm not female and can't run that fast anymore. Especially when doubled over laughing.
Yes, there is a gender role. Mostly from guys. Women are inherently better shots than men are. Has to do with the way their arms and shoulders work. I think. It also has to do with movies and TV. Most guys think they can pick up any firearm and immediately shoot it well. It's called the John Wayne syndrome. Every guy at some point in his life thinks he's John Wayne and can ride, rope and shoot just because he's a guy. These guys think they have to live up to John Wayne. The worst are the guys who have never taught females to do anything also get extremely angry when their female can shoot better than they can. It goes away when you fall off your first horse or you go into the Services. The first time a female of superior rank tears a strip off you, usually wakes 'em right up.
Women do not have John Wayne to live up to. They just shoot they way they were taught and usually do quite well. Women are much easier to teach too. They listen and don't pretend they know stuff when they don't.

[Hkmp5sd]

I inherited guns from both of my grandmothers and one of my great-grandmothers. My mom used to sign for my gun purchases when I was underage and even now, she buys me guns if she comes across a good deal.

Hopefully, more women will become interested in guns....

"An additional woman carrying a concealed handgun in a given population reduces the murder rate for women by about three to four times more than an additional man carrying a concealed handgun reduces the murder rate for men."

- The Bias Against Guns by John Lott, Jr.

[Trisha]

Hi, Gus!

Gender roles are fabricated/created by the current, or sociopolitically dominant patriarchy, funded and implicitly enforced by it as a survival mechanism. That sub-cultures resist gives me hope. President Bush is vehemently defending the 'traditional' marriage as we speak - as an example.

Want to explore the concept? Consider starting a Second Amendment Sisters club on campus!

Being an openly gay woman at whatever shooting range I visit raises a few eyebrows occasionally, but not nearly as much as when I go lingerie shopping, wearing my faded denim jacket that has Old Glory sewn above the Rainbow Triangle, above Glock, HK and Kimber patches on the left sleeve (or going to the gorcery store during the day, etc)!

Breaking stereotypes is a good thing!

Way to go, girl!

Trisha

(Detatchment Charlie - please, feel free to talk to me - off the board - about 'sex' and 'gender,' for the two aren't mandatorily synonymous. . .)

:D

[spacemanspiff]

i think it has a lot to do with the community a person is raised. my mother was raised in a village off of kodiak. everyone had rifles and shotguns for hunting, and my grandparents made sure their kids knew gun safety and how to shoot.
my other aunts and uncles arent gunnuts, but they are no strangers to them. the women dont hunt, nor do they do target shooting. in fact, the last time my mother did any shooting was when she was still a teenager. apparently she got in trouble for shooting at buoys in the harbor.

after moving to a more populated area, and letting her mind be reworked by religion, my mother has more anti-tendancies than pro. i chalk it up to a mere lack of knowledge, as she still sticks by the 'it could go off on its own' myth. it would do no good for me to re-educate her, so i concentrate my efforts on convincing her that i know how to operate my weapons and that i am more concerned than anyone about the safe handling of them.

even among my brother, and cousins, they arent into guns much. most of them know how to shoot, but it isnt a hobby to them.


more and more women are showing up at the firing range, and thats a great sign that societys fears are being broken down. a couple weeks ago a gramma showed up with her teenage granddaughter, the gramma knew her way around pistols and the granddaughter almost never gets a chance to do shooting because no one has time to take her to the range. the high schools do have airgun competitions, and they are trying to get into the middle schools to get more awareness among the students. most of the airgun members are girls.

[sm]

I too would have paid $20 to see the prof reaction. Or course I'm the one whom left an anti prof to her own devices when asked of myself and my party to walk out to her vehicle...reactions are priceless.

Mom was the one whom learned to shoot , hunted, cleaned game and such. She and her brother often set out on their own. The other sister can set a table and will smack your hands if you use the wrong fork. Dunno whom taught herthat because grandma was was toter and shooter too.

Gus being a "nut"...nope she was born that way and sounds like raised right too.

Social expectations I guess. Hey I'm a guy and enjoy going to plays/live theatre... beats TV and movies where stuff is edited umpteen times...more human interaction, and less computer enhanced wizard effects. Want to blow a child's mind...take them to a Children's Theatre...watch them jump when during Swiss Family Robinson guns are fired and they smell the gunpowder...not just see and hear it.

[Gus Dddysgrl]

Wish y'all could have been there to give me the $20. I could use it. Yeah well seeing her reaction this time was good. Wait till we get to the final project. It has something to do with non traditional discourse. I think that's the name. It's where you can do anything to get your point across other than just writing a paper. I plan on doing something like a poster, T-shirt or something like that with a pro-gun statement on it. Can't wait to see what she and the rest of the class says.

Gus

[jade]

all i know is that i get really irritated when i walk up to the counter and ask for some ammunition and all i get is "YOU SHOOT GUNS!? :what: "

it gets old.

[sm]

Hey Gus, about that project...
Oh that's easy, I put a trigger lock on a fire extinguisher, set trash can on fire...instructor didn't like the point I made.

Yep same UK anti instructor. Yes I informed campus security and used all the precautions outside and had them present.
She still doesn't like me I've been told.

[Hkmp5sd]

I put a trigger lock on a fire extinguisher, set trash can on fire
That is a brilliant way to get the point across! :)

[sm]

HK thanks.
I got really sick and tired of this instructor whom from the UK,had been in US for 14 years, pinching noses and trying to get students to swallow her anti thinkking. She crossed the line one day about the evil gun...Me being me...well...I regret I had only one trash can to give...:D

She never managed to unlock , never , panic set in big time...and I still have the FE...I tossed the lock. That one example probably did more for classmates seeing the truth than anything I could ever said or had them read.

I then made the matter worse, I used the day care kids on campus and Eddie Eagle rules to educate about not getting into fire extinguishers, and finger off trigger. "But everyone knows to stop, don't touch, get an adult mister". Out of the mouth of babes...this one cute little girl about 5. :)

[geekWithA.45]

Trisha,


Gender roles are fabricated/created by the current, or sociopolitically dominant patriarchy, funded and implicitly enforced by it as a survival mechanism. That sub-cultures resist gives me hope.

:scrutiny: :scrutiny: :scrutiny:

I respectfully disagree with this statement.

While gender roles do exist, and not all of them are egalitarian, (in other words, I think most are BS too, don't get me wrong!) I believe that casting them in such terms of intentionality and militancy begs the question of their cause, and interferes in understanding of the subtle societal mechanisms in play.

There is a continuum of explanations for societal emergent phenomena that generally runs from conspiracy to cockup, and conspiracy is a seductive explanation.

I generally use the IRS (which I consider to be an evil institution) as the case example here. Is the IRS the enforcement arm of a cabal of scheming taxationists? Or is it the sum vector of a fairly large list of cruft and bureaucracy grown wild and out of control? What would Occam's razor suggest?

Having been male from the day I was born, I simply never got any invitations to meetings of the local chapter of the "Great Patriarchal Conspiracy", and considering that even matriarchal societies have gender roles, I'm not sure that these terms do more than reinforce a "woman as victim" paradigm.

[Lancel]

My mother's a southern lady who was tolerant but wary of guns. That changed when she and dad returned from vacation to find their house burglarized and ransacked.:mad:

Then she became the best shot in the family. :)

Larry

[Brian Dale]

" non traditional discourse:"

Take the class to the range for a first lesson! How much time 'til the project is due? Logistics would be an issue, but what the heck?

You could also dress up as Annie Oakley (flame suit on: some have called her the best rifle shot ever - she wasn't a combat shooter, but she could hit anything) and include some history about women with guns. It's plain that you'll open some eyes, whatever you do.

[Moparmike]

Good job Gus and re1973!

Gus, if I lived in PA, I might just ask you to dinner. Just something about a woman with guts to speak her mind...:)

[Gus Dddysgrl]

Fun fun. I wish I could do a field trip, but the class is held from 7:30-8:45 so it would be dark out. I am still thinking of stuff I want to do. I'll consider any in-put, but it's not due till late Nov or early Dec.

Mike-maybe someday, but that is if my fiancee says I can.

Gus

[Sean Smith]

I've been trying to get my Secret Patriarchy ID Card and Decoder Ring for years, but the paperworks keeps getting lost by the Bureaux of Ovarian Destruction.

:evil:

Even on this reasonably enlightened gun forum, you will see alot of nonsense about how somebody needs a "chick gun" for the "little lady" in "something she can handle." :rolleyes:

Just keep 'em away from me or I'll work 'em up to a 10mm... or maybe only a .45 if they are a real Priss Miss. :neener:

[Detritus]

I did not find out till i was around the age of 17 or 18 that my mother HAD learned how to handle and even be exceptionally good with firearms..... it was just never discussed.

then again 4 years prior to my birth, she lost her only brother to a shooting incident (won't go into it here) and has had understandably uneasy feelings about firearms ever since (not just her, my grandparents suffered the same type of reaction).

sometimes i wish i could have found out what my firearms background would have been had my uncle not died in such a tragic manner. would my mother as well as my father have been in on my early training? would i have started learning about guns earlier in life?

as for the here and now, i'm married to a wonderful woman who is veryt eager to learn and become proficient, the only reason she isn't already is b/c she has to finish her recovery and Physical therapy after surgery on her right shoulder. Heck the guns she wants are even higher up the "evil, black, sinister, scary, gun index" than mine!!

and i DID try to get my step-daughter involved but, well i think the school system and the whole "oh no guns are evil" societal thing (plus a distinct case of noise sensitivity) sort of soured her to the concept.

[Soap]

My biggest gender-related complaint about the shooting world is the blatant advances that people make if you bring some good-looking ladies to the range. Most of the females that I know well are very attractive...this makes it impossible for them to enjoy range shooting unless no one else is around. Even if people don't stare or make blatant advances, they think they're the girl's own personal shooting coach :rolleyes:

[Fudgie Ghost]

Geek: damn! you took the words right out of my mouth!

[Brian Dale]

My family has been in the Midwest for several generations. Back in the sodbuster days, men spent more time in the fields and women spent more time in the house or the garden. Still, being able to shoot was a basic skill like washing your hands: everybody needed to know how to do it.

My father was a federal LEO; I think my mother might see carrying a handgun all day as akin to taking out the garbage or baling hay: women can do it, but why do so if your husband's doing it, unless the task takes more people? We (two boys and a girl) were all expected to learn to cook and wash dishes, to iron and repair clothes, to shoot and to bait a fish hook (somehow, shooting and fishing were not seen as chores by us kids, though :) ). We were taught that we would need to know how to do these things when we grew up. She knows how to shoot, but she looks at shooters the way I look at basketball fans: there's nothing wrong with basketball, but if I were watching sports, I'd rather watch football.

In my wider family of aunts and uncles, cousins and so on, a lot of women have and shoot guns, but there's some sex-role splitting with a few couples. A similar thing happens with driving tractors or joining volunteer fire departments: numerically, more men than women in my family do these. I have more women shooters among my rural relatives than my urban ones, but it's a matter of degree rather than a strict distinction.

In my immediate family, my sister's the best rifle shot and the most accomplished big game hunter. She also lives in a city, and has always lived in cities. Nobody in the family gives it a second thought that it's a woman who's the best rifle shot among us. We're proud of her 'cause she's good.

[Holly76201]

Gus,
good for your willingness to speak up in class.
My idea for your project is for you to have someone take pics of you shooting. Hopefully, they can get some of you in a Weaver stance with cartridge casings arcing through the air., then pics shooting at silouette target in distance and finally you holding target with a nice tight group through the chest, head and one in the groin. A caption that comes to mind is "HANDGUNS...the ultimate female empowerment tool"

[Dave R]

I believe the % women attending Concealed Carry Certification Classes is steadily creeping upward, no?

[rayra]

Gus - "T-shirt or something like that with a pro-gun statement on it" - Look no further - http://www.thoseshirts.com/diversity.html

[Trisha]

Wonderful!

We agree to disagree, guys - but, feel free to keep in touch with me off the board so the threads stay on-topic, OK?

Sounds like I've got job security!

An' I LOVE the trigger lock on the fire extinguisher! Outstanding, babe!

Trisha

(never one to impulsively ascribe malicious predilictions, when acknowledging a bored cosmos fits just as neatly. . .)

[Standing Wolf]

My prof gave me the most horrified look. It was as if I had shown her one.

Why, how excruciatingly unladylike!

[BluesBear]

I have found that there are a LOT of women who would like to know more about firearms and shooting sports but they just don't know how or who to ask.

I always pick the checkout aisle at the grocery with the female cashier when I am buying my reading material. It's refreshing to hear them say thinks like, "My dad has one like that", or "My husband reads this too."

But my favorite is when one asks "Where do you go to learn more about this stuff?" Heck by the time I get home dinner is usually thawed. :D

(I have subscriptions to Maxim and Stuff but the gun mags I pick up at the grocery. :evil: After all I don't want them to get the wrong impression about me.)

[Hkmp5sd]

But my favorite is when one asks "Where do you go to learn more about this stuff?"
How about when she says, "Check out the review on page 36. Great article!" :)

[Dr.Rob]

Ah gender roles.

You guys take me back to my college days.

First off. I might open a door for my ladyfriend, this is not a sign of my open "domination" of wymyn or whatever. Like Steve, I never was issued a secret patriarchal decoder ring. I do it because it's a courtesy.

I wonder, how many guys here can sew?

I know I can replace buttons or make a rudimentary repair, I have a good buddy who is a darn good seamstress.. err seamster?

How many of you guys can cook? Ok how many of you can bake?

I know.. I'm an excellent cook. Heck if I launched a second career it might be as a chef. But you know what? I can't bake. I can't even bake a tollhouse cookie. I also cannot wrap a present to save my life. Oh, sure if you want a plain brown wrapper trimmed with duct tape I could oblige you... some of these things are 'genetic' for lack of a better word. I also know way more about classical ballet than one should know, as a function of my minor in Russian Art History. (A subject so esoteric that I rarely find anyone to discuss Rayonism and the dawn of avante gard cinema pre Eisenstin but I digress.) We often have skills that no one expects.

I know a few 'tom girls" (I'll be that term is totally un-pc these days) that shoot and I know a few lipstick lesbians that shoot better than I do. Know a LOT of guys that don't know a gun from a sharp stick.

One famous cartoonist said that if you give two 4 year-olds a banana, the girl with make it into an fashion accessory and the boy will make it into a weapon.

My GF practices karate, did a stint in the Army in Psyops and works in the male dominated field of architecture programming. She's better at math than me, grew up hunting with her father, makes her own tea and herbal remedies with a knowledge of flora that is downright scary. She shoots a pistol that's too big for my hands, does her own carpentry and yet still manages to look good in heels. (And no she doesn't have a sister).

We don't stay 4 forever, "gender roles" can change over time.

[Hkmp5sd]

I wonder, how many guys here can sew?

Me! There aren't too many seamstresses on a submarine and no store to buy new uniforms.

[pax]

I know I can replace buttons or make a rudimentary repair, I have a good buddy who is a darn good seamstress.. err seamster?
Dr. Rob, the word you're after is "tailor." ;)

What I'd like to know about gender roles and shooting is this: why does the top woman shooter so often lag so far behind the top man shooter?

Look at the results of the past few Steel Challenge championships. The top shooter is inevitably male, and the top female is usually 25th or more overall. Why such a lag?

There's surely no innate reason this would be so. Sure, men have bigger muscles and generally more stamina, but shooting doesn't require either of these. Sure, there are more men shooters than there are women shooters, but that explains only why there aren't more women at the upper levels, not why they're not there at all. It's certainly not for lack of competitive drive in women, unless female Olympians and marathoners are freaks of nature.

Most firearms instructors claim that women are easier to teach than men are and that they are innately better shots when they begin shooting. (That's ignoring klutzes such as yours truly, who started out lousy, thanks.)

So what's the deal? Why aren't the top women shooters every bit as fast and accurate as the top men shooters?

pax

[Dr.Rob]

Good point Pax...


IPSC isn't a terribly 'physical" sport, you'd think that women would score just as high as the men, esp. at top competitive levls.

But isn't it true that this year's Camp Perry champ is a woman?

[XLMiguel]

Intersting point, Pax. I seem to recall reading somewhere that women tend to have better fine motor control than men, and a higher tolerance for tedious, repeiditive tasks, both of which should help in target matches. As you pointed out, shear strength isn't a differentiator, and stamina-wise, many women athletes give nothing away to the guys. So what gives?

But I don't have an answer to your question;)

Det. Charlie, I feel your pain, but 'gender roles' was proper use in that context in that it refers to things 'traditionally' associated with masculine or feminine roles. No one has a gender, they have a sex. Whether [or how well] their gender identity matches their sex, well, I guess that's part of what makes life interesting . . . :evil:

[Standing Wolf]

I wonder, how many guys here can sew?

Not remarkably well, but the curtains in most of my house are mostly presentable, and all the stout canvas covers on digital gadgets in the studio fit pretty well. Sewing turns out to be a lot like rolling your own ammunition: anybody can slop through it, but real expertise takes awhile.

[Skunkabilly]

Whatever the meaning of 'gender', I'm sure Gus wrote 'gender and guns' because if she wrote 'sex and guns'.....:o

[P95Carry]

I get saddened by the degree of gender stereotyping ........ altho there are areas where each outshines the other .. for what I would call ''natural'' reasons ...... but it is probably just as wrong to try and produce total parity just ''because''.

Shooting tho is a special case IMO where gender differences should be not even of concern .... can the ''person'' shoot? Does that ''person''enjoy shooting? And, bottom line .....

That ''person'' has the same right of self defence as any other!

[BluesBear]

Whatever the meaning of 'gender', I'm sure Gus wrote 'gender and guns' because if she wrote 'sex and guns'.....
If she had titled this thread Sex & Guns we'd be on page 20 by now.

However, I would like to go on the record for now and forever as being very much in favor of both. :evil:

[sm]

BluesBear.:D
Careful, Gus is a real lady,she has a fiance' , her dad is member...and dad has been known to "drill" into thick skulls, that which needed to be retained.
:)

[BluesBear]

re1973,

I am fully aware that Gus is very much a lady and I have never said anything to imply differently. Her writings and opinions are held in high esteem in my household.

[sm]

BluesBear
I am aware you are, and in no way meant otherwise.
Smilies used indicated liking your post and a poke of fun at her dad. :)

[C.R.Sam]

why does the top woman shooter so often lag so far behind the top man shooter?...Pax With exceptions.
I know one lady (riflewoman) who fired a possible in a match, all Xs.
Can be tied, but never beaten.

Worked with another who , on occaision, would get high woman while winning overall at smallbore rifle matches. And her bag was ISU pistol !

And then there is Kim Rhode. Shotgunner par excellance.

And in years long gone, Plinky Topperwein, nuther top shotgunner.

Maby they are scarecer because of a smaller pool of junior women shooters coming up, always have been in the minority.

And probably tougher to get sponsorship. Kim's mom said she went back to work to keep Kim in ammo. She didn't get ammo sponsorship until she had shown potential to be the best in the world.

Unless there are bucks in the family, tis hard to break through. Training time, ammo, travel, equipment etc. Usually takes good stuff to show how good you are so you can get sponsorship. All too often, it takes sponsorship to get the good stuff so you can show how good you are.

Catch 22 for either sex, moreso for female.

Sam

[Sunray]

Hi. "...I plan on doing something like..." I'd suggest you make a video of the next shoot you're at. Both genders and all ages enjoying their choice of sport. A 'family day' shoot would be ideal. Arrange it if you have to, but it'd show our sport the way it is. Men, women and kids doing the same thing on relatively equal terms.

[Navy joe]

Pax, I'd say that in combat shooting events upper body strength especially forearm and grip strength come into play. The women are competing with equal calibers so are dealing with equal recoil with less strength and body mass to counteract it. Just look at a pic of Jerry Barnhart gripping a gun, looks like a muscle is going to pop loose any minute now. This doesn't mean that somebody like Athena Lee won't beat the crap out of 90% of us anyways.

You would think that a steel challenge format would favor women being more equal, little movement and lower powered ammunition.

[Sean Smith]

Pax, I'd say that in combat shooting events upper body strength especially forearm and grip strength come into play.

Maybe, but in general the top male USPSA shooters aren't exactly paragons of physical fitness. My guess would be that the reason you don't see women at the top in shooting sports as much is the same reason you don't see Estonians on the NBA All-Star team... they aren't in the shooting sports in the first place, at any level, in numbers comparable to men. You can't win if you don't play.

[JohnKSa]

...the reason you don't see women at the top in shooting sports as much is the same reason you don't see Estonians on the NBA All-Star team... they aren't in the shooting sports in the first place, at any level, in numbers comparable to men. You can't win if you don't play.
Exactly correct.

As long as the vast majority of serious competitive shooters are male, the vast majority of top competitive shooters will be male too.

Also, with only one exception, all of the female shooters I know are really out shooting because their boyfriend/husband is a shooter. They find shooting enjoyable, but they wouldn't be there if it weren't for their spouse.

As a result they don't practice as much as the guys and generally aren't as good.

My wife is a very good shot--she always wins the ladies events at the company gun club and can outshoot a good percentage of the men as well. However, if it weren't for my interest in the shooting sports, she'd visit the range religiously every two or three years (if that often.) She's a good shot because she has natural ability and takes instruction well.

BUT... she's not as good as I am because she doesn't spend any significant amount of time practicing while I try to get at least some gunhandling practice daily.

If she spent half the time practicing I do, I think she'd outshoot me easily.

[Gus Dddysgrl]

A movie would be fun for the class project.

I would go to the range more if I had my own guns, but if it wasn't for daddy I wouldn't go nearly as often.

I act like a "lady" on occasions, but can get too rough and tumble to always be called a lady. ;) With that said I think I do fall under the "lady" catagory. :)

Can't wait to turn 21 in 2-days!!!!!!!! :D

Gus

[P95Carry]

Wow! Happy Birthday for Tuesday then Gus ... let the chains come off ....... you'll be walkin on air.

Great!!:)

[BowStreetRunner]

yeah happy birthday!
the best part about 21 is not beer, its guns! :D