[iafirebuff]

Well I just got a NEF Pardner Protector - $165 shipped :) New from Bud's a few weeks ago. Anyway, I have not had a chance to shoot it yet, but for a "cheap" gun it sure seems like it will be a decent HD shotgun. Anyone else use the Pardner? Just curious what you all think :)

[RevolvingGarbage]

I bought a NEF Pardner Pump as my second firearm. Seems to be about the same thing as your protector. For under $200 NIB I doubt one can find a better deal on a HD shotgun. Proven 870 design and parts compatibility, 3" chambers, 5 round tube, and quality materials.

[BCCL]

I'm picking mine up Friday, my local dealer had to order it.

Looking forward to testing it out!

[jlv08]

The Pardner Pumps are well made shotguns that will prove themselves over time.

I have a Field grade 12 and 20 gauge and they are fit and finished very nice and have smoothed up well from use.

So far, no snags and no surprizes like I've been reading about other manufacturers.

I'm not saying that they are "better" than our domestic offerings but will say that they are on par and have read very few bad postings about these shotguns.

I'm keeping mine stock for field use only and have a dedicated HD shotgun, but that does not mean that I would not use my Pardners, God forbid, in a pinch.

All in all, good shotguns at a good price from NEF/H&R.:)

[halfded]

I've had one for about 2 years now. Bought it new and the only gripe I have is the bluing is a little thin. Brother in law bought a new 870 around the same time and had to send it back for repairs! That seemed to upset him a little for some reason. Doubt it had anything to do with my gun costing roughly half of his.

Anyway, most 870 stocks and parts fit the pardner (I've used front and rear grips and the scope mount setup with the plate that screws on the side, great flashlight holder) and it's a great gun for the money. Just repainted mine with some krylon flat black, looks just like a remmy again.

[kcmarine]

Where are those made?

[meytind]

They're made in China but don't let that discourage you.

[MAX100]

The Pardner Pumps are well made shotguns that will prove themselves over time.

The Pardner Pump & Hawk 982 are proven.

The Pardner Pump has been around for 6 years, introduced in 2003 I believe. It's the "same" shotgun as the IAC Hawk Ind 982 with a different style receiver. The 982 has been in the US for over 10 years now. Both are made by Norinco and imported by IAC HAWK Ind.

Guns & Ammo did a review on the HAWK 98, same shotgun, in their July 2000 issue.

They have a machined extractor, ejector & steel receiver, aluminum trigger guards and the Protector and 982 have a parkerize finish. They are the best deal to be had in a Home defense Tactical shotgun. Very reliable with all brands of ammo. The 982 is an even better deal because it has a nice set of GRS for the same price as the PP.

GC

[BCCL]

I was able to pick mine up today, very nice fit and finish and seems well put together.

They forgot to put the rear sling stud on the stock, the tapped and threaded hole is there, so I called and they are sending me one. The front one was installed, just not the rear one.

Heading out to the range tomorrow to test drive it!

[MAX100]

Give it Hell and lets us know how it goes.


GC

[mapwd]

I bought one (Pardner Pump) 2 years ago as my first shotgun, if I didn't like shotguns then I would not have lost a lot. I love this gun! Has been 100% reliable and the wife and I shoot it every weekend killing clay pigeons.

[chuckusaret]

Buy American. I had one for a short time. The first time out I had shell loading and ejection problems and on cleaning, wipe down, the bluing came off in some areas. You can get a Mossberg 500 or a Maverick 88 for the same price.

[batex]

I'm sorry guys, but I go out of my way to buy American and not to buy products from China. I'd take a real used 870 anyday for about the same price. There's just no way in heck I'd willing support buying from that country.

Just my .02....
Thanks

[kcmarine]

I'm okay with buying foreign guns, just not from China...

[mapwd]

you can buy american if you want, I have US made guns, but you cannot buy a used 870 for $130 bucks, or a mossberg for that matter unless they just came out of a burning house. My Chicom shotgun outshoots my brother-in-laws Rem. 870 and has none of the problems his has. Out of the 100s of positive posts I have read about the NEF Pardner pump, I have only seen one negative post, that is the one a few posts up.

[meytind]

I never understood the people who refuse to buy Chinese. I've always felt that money was a reward. We give it to corporations that make quality products because we like those products. If the Chinese shotgun is just as good as the comparable American model, but costs half as much, what is wrong with the Chinese model? My money is not a crutch to keep American companies on their feet if their products cannot outperform those of their competitors.

[BartSr]

I picked up a Marlin Mdl-200 12ga for $90 including xfer fee from a pawnshop in WA state. Almost new, it is. Case hardened finish, too.
It looks just like the H&R pardner type.

Paul
http://www.geocities.com/idezilla/Marlin/marlin_16b.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/idezilla/Marlin/marlin_001.jpg

[jlv08]

I will restate my preference to the NEF/H&R Pardner pump due to the very

fact that the parts are made by people who know that, after getting skinned

up earlier due to bad quality, have smartened up and now produce parts for

folks at NEF to make a decent field grade gun.:)

No one broke a law by buying these shotguns and until Mossberg and

Remington, and whoever is left in the domestic shotgun makers make a decent, reliable field grade gun, I'll buy what I danged please.:neener:

Buy American will mean something when we rediscover our work ethic, vote in good government( as in LESS) and begin to produce quality goods.:fire:

I will not buy a product that is questionable just to keep someone in a job.:banghead:

So... with that in mind, downing folks for their quest for quality is getting a little passe'.+

[BCCL]

My money is not a crutch to keep American companies on their feet if their products cannot outperform those of their competitors.

Exactly!

I'm amazed at the number of people that pay lip service to Free Market Capitalism, but then want to run and hide behind the skirts of protectionism and labor unions, while whining at others about where their shotgun came from, using a computer that came from the same place.

[nathan]

I have a Remy 870 HD 7 shots. I have no problem with it. If i have to get aother one the Pardner may be the one. I went to Academy and lo they have sold out . WHy, bec the guy said its one of their best seller! The gun is as good as the rest. Its the stigma that its made in China, the Dont buy commie gun scare thats out there thats keeping people from buying a good value firearm. For all we know , they shoot as good as the rest . Its just not finished well like paint chipping off . But functionality it is as deadly.

[nathan]

I have a Remy 870 HD 7 shots. I have no problem with it. If i have to get aother one the Pardner may be the ticket. I went to Academy and lo they have sold out . WHy, bec the guy said its one of their best seller! The gun is as good as the rest. Its the stigma that its made in China, the Dont buy commie gun scare thats out there thats keeping people from buying a good value firearm. For all we know , they shoot as good as the rest . Its just not finished well like paint chipping off . But functionality it is as deadly.

[BCCL]

She kicks, but not to bad.

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m103/Bear_Claw_Chris_Lappe/Gun%20Collection/New%20England%20Firearms/NEFPadnerProtector.jpg

I ran a variety of shells through it today.

Winchester #6 game loads
Remington 00 buck
Hornady light magnum 00 buck
Winchester deer slugs

All loads were manageable, but the Hornady 00 buck and the deer slugs were real kickers!!!

I may add a pistol grip stock later.

Flawless function, no problems at all!

[Howaido]

I'm an economic nationalist when it comes to shotguns. :)

[kcmarine]

Maybe as someone who will have to live with the consequences of shipping all of our money over to China for the next 60 years, I'm a bit more sensitive, but eh, whatever floats your boat.

[MAX100]

Let's stick to the quality of the shotgun at hand and not turn it into a subject on China. The thread always gets closed when it turns China.


What's your experience with the Pardner Pump, Hawk 982, good or bad?

BCCL That's a very good picture of the Pardner Protector you posted.


GC

[chuckusaret]

I never understood the people who refuse to buy Chinese. I've always felt that money was a reward. We give it to corporations that make quality products because we like those products. If the Chinese shotgun is just as good as the comparable American model, but costs half as much, what is wrong with the Chinese model? My money is not a crutch to keep American companies on their feet if their products cannot outperform those of their competitors.
I can not believe your comment. I don't really care one way or the other, I am retired, don't need a job, don't want a job, but I buy American to keep some Americans employed. Buy American and keep your job in America. At the rate the jobs are going overseas you will not have a job much longer and will not be able to provide a crutch to the American companies, only their corporate headquarters will be in America and you will be on the street looking for a handout.

Food for thought. Remember when Datsun, Toyota and VW all came to America, they were cheap, everyone bought one to save a buck. Well look what saving the buck has caused. The foreign cars are no longer cheap in price, but we are soon not to have any American car manufacturers in America nor will we have those jobs.

[Deltaboy]

I saw one the other day and wondered about it. Shoot I have a nearly 30 870 wingmaster that is built like a tank. I am looking at them for a 20 gauge for the wife and daughter.

[meytind]

Food for thought. Remember when Datsun, Toyota and VW all came to America, they were cheap, everyone bought one to save a buck. Well look what saving the buck has caused. The foreign cars are no longer cheap in price, but we are soon not to have any American car manufacturers in America nor will we have those jobs.
Sorry to go off topic with this again, but if you look at those cars now, they are better than their American counterparts. They get better gas mileage and safety ratings. If it was all about price, people would be buying the American cars now to "save a buck," but they're not. They buy the better foreign cars.
The American car companies deserved everything they got. They saw that they did not have any competition for a long period of time and they grew complacent. They let the rest of the industry pass them by and their consumers left them for a competing manufacturer. That's how capitalism works.
This is the last thing I'm going to say in this thread regarding the "Buy American" issue. I'm done.

[chuckusaret]

If the foreign cars are so great why don't you see any that would be called an antique still on the roads of America. I sure see a lot of old American cars. I own a 1989 Lincon Town Car that I bought in September 1988. In the 20 years and over 250,000 miles I have only replaced tires, one head light and one alternator. It has outlived a Honda Civic that died with 78K miles( Cracked cylinder head), Toyota Camry 105,000 miles(Valve/piston failure) and a Mazda B2000 110,000 (Main bearing failure). All the cars /trucks had seen their day and were not economically repairable. All were bought new and driven by my wife or by me and all were serviced by the dealer. Only buy American now. I'll be driving when you guys that buy foreign cars are walking looking for a job. There will be no jobs here they all went to China.

[jlv08]

It's unfortunate that we have to bicker among ourselves regarding "Buy America' when we should be throwing the bums out in D.C. who are the real reason that our jobs are going overseas.

We just got lucky when NEF started getting quality parts to assemble a decent field grade shotgun on our shores with foreign parts from a manufacturer who makes quality parts.

No one is complaining about SKS rifles or Ak's for that matter so why the fuss???????

If you are mad about selling jobs to China, take it out on the sellout cretins in the senate and congress who have been screwing Americans for years.

:neener::neener::neener::neener::neener::neener::neener::neener::neener:

[FLNT4EVR]

I purchased mine just over 1 year ago and was quite suprised at the quality. The action was a bit rough at first , but with some good lube ,and working it a bit ,it smoothed out nicely.It will hold 5 3inch or 6 2 3/4 . The 3 inch , in my opinion, have too much recoil for practical HD purposes.
I have realy put this gun thru it's paces at the range ,and it's function so far has been flawless. It is an excellent slug gun ,with good accuracy with Remington sluggers out to 75 yds with just the front bead. It also patterns well and consistantly with 00 buck , and should be very effective out to 40 yds.For less than $200 you would be very hard pressed to find something better.

[jlv08]

These are real well made guns and if it was illegal to import them, which they are imported in parts and assembled here, they would not be here.:)

I'm not going to talk down a gun that is made in China, Russia, Spain, Italy,

Timbuktu, or anywhere else, because of where it is made.:)

I don't care for China's Communist government or fear them as much as I fear

the government that WE have at present and the damage that it is being

done with the policies of the present administration.:mad:

I speak on the gun and it's merits and try to remain objective when I give my

amateur opinon.:)

A good value is a good value and the Pardner Pump is a good value.:D

[-v-]

IIRC, the law does not prohibit the importation of "sporting" firearms from china, sporting directly translating to shotguns for all intents and purposes.

I have a Mossy 500, but I would have picked this up if it was possible for them to stay stocked in this area. From all reports, NEF pumps are a very reliable and good "value for the money" products out there.

re: Foreign made cars: I also drive American-built cars exclusively, and will continue to buy them. That's why I drive a Toyota.

[iafirebuff]

I finally got the Pardner out to the range today. What a fun gun! :)

[Magic_Man]

I just picked up a Pardner to use as a project toy. I already have an 870, but I might sell the 870 & keep the Pardner if it performs well for me as I really don't need both.

[hags]

There is no such thing as the free market. Take a look around.

It's somehow ok with everyone that the world builds lines of factories on the Mexican border and then dumps stuff here? Same thing in the Pacific rim.

Pretty soon it'll be you washing my car and me washing your car. Think about it.

Anyway,

The Pardner Pump is a decent shotgun. I have a few in for testing out of personal curiosity.

I think alot of issues with the 870 Express have to do with a dumbed down, gun-ignorant firearms buying public. Just my opinion and I'm not saying there aren't some issues.

I've sold dozens, Haven't had any issues as far as I know. I kept one out of a new lot and it's been 100%.

My neighbor has a 1937 coupe, original flathead engine, repainted, 120 hp, there are nothing wrong with American products!!!

The fact is cheap guns sell, they outsell superior products because the bottom line for most people is the almighty dollar.

[Big Daddy Grim]

Look like fun maybe I found my trunk gun

[hags]

The Pardner Pump is a fine shotgun at a great price. There has always been a market for field guns in the US. If people aren't buying high dollar guns it's because they don't want them. Nobody builds V8 muscle cars that get 4 mpg either. I like those too but I don't want to use one everyday. People buy what they want.

Slightly OT but I gotta believe that everyone at one time has wanted something that that was/is considered high priced.

People arent' buying high priced guns for a variety of reasons. Personal situation, job sit., economy, uncertain about long term fiscal health, etc.........

[chevyforlife21]

i bought one of these 4 years ago i fired at least 500 rounds threw it and never one jam. this gun is super reliable and tough. i also have a benelli nova tactical and a mossberg persuader. and let me tell the protector is good enough its more relianble then my nova and slightly better then the mossberg. the protector is made with heavy gauge steel and has a 5 shot tube. i deffintly couldnt tell this gone was made in china it seems the highest quality out of any gun ive had.

[22_Shooter]

Just picked one up the other day.

Feels super solid, just like my AK's (Saigas).


http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u127/D23NY/P7240139.jpg





...........and because it was so cheap, I had to pick up a PG for it:D. Just a novelty, I'm sure. But hey, why not have some fun with it?

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u127/D23NY/P7240138.jpg




I'll be sending a money order to Max in the near future, for one of his +2's.

[Magic_Man]

Broke mine in yesterday & it worked perfectly. I'll be adding some goodies to it & a camo paint job soon. I bought it as a cheap project to play with as I did not want to deface my 870.

[ohioarmedneutrality]

<------------------------- Loves his Pardner Pump Protector.

[Xyas]

I was in the market for my first shotgun recently and saw this for a cheap price. My question, do you find it reliable enough for a home defense shotgun? I wasn't familiar with it at all and I want to make sure I have a reliable shotgun for home defense. I was going to get a mossberg 500 or remington 870 but if this is really reliable, for this price, I'd definitely pick one up. Thanks!

[22_Shooter]

I was in the market for my first shotgun recently and saw this for a cheap price. My question, do you find it reliable enough for a home defense shotgun? I wasn't familiar with it at all and I want to make sure I have a reliable shotgun for home defense. I was going to get a mossberg 500 or remington 870 but if this is really reliable, for this price, I'd definitely pick one up. Thanks!

Go for it.

Just Google for info. That's what I did and I couldn't find any negative reviews.

Regardless of any gun, caliber, brand or otherwise........I would put a decent amount of rounds through it before I trusted it to HD duties.

[conwict]

Food for thought. Remember when Datsun, Toyota and VW all came to America, they were cheap, everyone bought one to save a buck. Well look what saving the buck has caused. The foreign cars are no longer cheap in price, but we are soon not to have any American car manufacturers in America nor will we have those jobs.

The reason they aren't cheap is because of tariffs and taxes on import cars. If you took your USD into Japan and bought one, it'd be a fraction of what it cost here.

http://www.reason.com/news/show/32804.html
Also, I'm sorry, but protectionism is just a matter of not knowing the facts on what sending jobs overseas actually does. In a healthy economy it forces people to get educated, get better jobs, and typically more job growth occurs WITHIN THE USA when jobs go overseas.

Please, just do some reading on the facts regarding free market capitalism and trade.

[22_Shooter]

Food for thought. Remember when Datsun, Toyota and VW all came to America, they were cheap, everyone bought one to save a buck. Well look what saving the buck has caused. The foreign cars are no longer cheap in price, but we are soon not to have any American car manufacturers in America nor will we have those jobs.

To put the downfall of American car companies, on the presence of "foreign" cars is a joke.:rolleyes:

Funny that a lot of "American" cars are made elsewhere, and the "foreign" cars are made here in the US, in factories filled with American workers.

[Howaido]

Our "trade partners" devalue their own currency and our government agrees to one-sided "free trade" agreements to the effect of destroying production in this country.

Anyhoo, I can't help but think of these guns like I do "smith & wesson" knives (and other junk knives from china). They are rip-offs of the real (albeit more expensive) things being made here.

But, like I like to say, I got the last good 870E, so I don't need to worry about the possibility of having to buy one of these norincos, ever.

It's unfortunate that we have to bicker among ourselves regarding "Buy America' when we should be throwing the bums out in D.C. who are the real reason that our jobs are going overseas.

They will be replaced by others who will have the same masters.

[meytind]

I buy cars and guns based on whether I like them or not at the price they cost. Half of those so called American cars are built in Mexico or S. America or somewhere besides the USA. I like to buy good old US built cars - like Nissan Xterras which are built in Smyrna, TN. I like giving US workers jobs. I could care less about US factory owners. I owned a Blazer in the 90's and I loved it. But they aren't anything like they were back then now.

QFT.

[22_Shooter]

So back on topic...............

Am I OK to dry fire my Pardner?

This is my first pump shotgun (also only my second scattergun at all. The first being an S12:evil:).

[conwict]

Just use a spent shotshell to DFP. Get 5 or 6 of them and a buttcuff and practice aim, cock, fire, eject, load, repeat. BE SAFE though.

[conwict]

Oops, forgetful me. Not sure how I would go about DFP with a pump. Snap caps I suppose. Practice forceful racking to avoid short stroking under stress.

[22_Shooter]

Just use a spent shotshell to DFP. Get 5 or 6 of them and a buttcuff and practice aim, cock, fire, eject, load, repeat. BE SAFE though.

I've got dummy rounds (replicated weight and dimensions to test cycling) but the primer on it is pierced, so it doesn't do much, as a "snap cap".

So dry firing pump shotguns is a no-go?

[oneounceload]

You can fit an eraser from a #2 pencil in the primer pocket, trim to flush, good to go. I prefer ti use snap caps in ALL of my guns, but that's just me.....

[Howaido]

Remember too that those hiked prices in the 80's nearly bankrupted Japan. It killed their car industry quick.

Could it have been those nasty import tariffs that "forced" those poor japanese companies to start making cars in the US and employing Americans? :confused:

That's what I always heard anyhow.

Oh no!!!!

I was talking to my cousin who just bought what sounds like one of these chinese guns. Can't remember what "brand" it was made under, but from the cost and description over the phone, must be one. When I take a look at it, or even shoot it, I will let you know.

[JFrame]

22_Shooter said:

I've got dummy rounds (replicated weight and dimensions to test cycling) but the primer on it is pierced, so it doesn't do much, as a "snap cap".

So dry firing pump shotguns is a no-go?

I know there have been several recommendations for the use of dummy shotgun shells of one form or another -- but just to echo 22_Shooter's question here...Could we have a "definitive" answer from experts as to whether it's a no-no to dry-fire pump shotguns, and the Pardner in particular?

Thanks! :)

[JFrame]

Walter Oakley said:
If you can find the answer to the same question about 870's you're likely looking at the answer for your Pardner JFrame. The trigger group is practically identical. The only difference I could see was that the dog carrier was solid on the Pardner but not on the Express.


Thank you, Sir! :)

[Dave McCracken]

It doesn't hurt an 870 to be dry fired. So, since the "Pardner" is a clone of this proven US made design, it probably won't hurt to dry fire them either.

[Archery Ham]

It doesn't hurt an 870 to be dry fired. So, since the "Pardner" is a clone of this proven US made design, it probably won't hurt to dry fire them either.
So most parts are comapatible?

[chuckusaret]

A cheap reliable shotgun is all that is needed for home defense. If it is fired during a home invasion the weapon, in most cases, will be confiscated and kept until the investigation is complete, could take years. I have a cheap Mossberg and if used and confiscated will not be missed and cheaply replaced.

[MAX100]

So most parts are compatible?

All parts but the barrels are a drop in fit. Barrels would be too if the barrel rings were in the same location on the barrels.


GC

[BenceT]

Would it be possible to make a tube/adapter for it?
I have a hawk 982.

[MAX100]

Would it be possible to make a tube/adapter for it?
I have a hawk 982.

You could probably make a spacer tube out of PVC or aluminum. Just so it slips over the mag tube of the 982 snug and is the right length so the mag cap will screw on tight. It will need to have about the same OD as the mag cap.


GC

[JFrame]

Dave McCracken said:
It doesn't hurt an 870 to be dry fired. So, since the "Pardner" is a clone of this proven US made design, it probably won't hurt to dry fire them either.

Thanks, Dave!

[c5_nc]

I bought one from bud's also when they did the weekend sale a month or two ago, $167 shipped. Local FFL charges $10.

Its a very nice gun. Its not just the cost savings, I think in quality/features... it is a NICER gun than a 870 Express. At the time 870 Wingmasters (older ones in pawn shops) were $175 and it was a debate for me, but I would have had to cut down or buy replacement barrel for those (I wanted a 18.5" one). I found a Mossberg 500 (pistol grip 18.5" one) in a pawn shop a couple days after I recieved by NEF for $125 so I bought it also. About the same time our Walmarts starting get Mav88s back in stock in 12ga.

[Shpadoinkel]

I just ordered a Knoxx SpecOps Stock for my 3 day old Pardner Protector. The customer service rep said that the 870 stock would fit it, but I think they had to consult a manual or another person, he didn't sound too certain.
So... I'll let you know how it goes. Should be coming in in about a week.

My reason for the doubt is that after a quick google search, I found only one person that was trying to do the same thing, and he said that it was not a flush fit and was concerned about it. Hopefully that person just didn't know what he was doing (not that I do).

[MAX100]

I just ordered a Knoxx SpecOps Stock for my 3 day old Pardner Protector. The customer service rep said that the 870 stock would fit it, but I think they had to consult a manual or another person, he didn't sound too certain.
So... I'll let you know how it goes. Should be coming in in about a week.

My reason for the doubt is that after a quick google search, I found only one person that was trying to do the same thing, and he said that it was not a flush fit and was concerned about it. Hopefully that person just didn't know what he was doing (not that I do).

The Knoxx stocks will fit. The receiver stud on the Protector is a little longer and you might have to take it down a little with a grinder so the stock fit flush. You don't need the receiver spacer plate so if it's causing problems leave it out. I've had to modify 870 stocks to fit 870 stocks. Most accessories aren't a drop in fit.


GC

[Shpadoinkel]

Thanks for the tip MAX. I'm going to attempt to put it on this weekend.

If I do end up having to grind down the receiver stud (something I really hope I don't have to do), would I be able to get the original stock back on in the future? Or once I take a grinder to it, it's Knoxx or nothing?

[MAX100]

would I be able to get the original stock back on in the future? Or once I take a grinder to it, it's Knoxx or nothing?

All other stocks will still fit. A new 870 receiver stud only cost $5 so don't worry.


GC

[dom1104]

Am i the only one who thinks the main reason I will pay 50 bucks more for a used 870 wingmaster is because



Pardner Protector is a REALLY stupid sounding name?


"Hey what gun you got there!"

"Whall thats mah Purdner Protectur, it protects mah purdner"

its just a stupid name.


Pard.


Maybe its cool if you live in Texas... but yeah.

[Shpadoinkel]

Thanks again MAX.

If I do run into this issue, would my best bet to be just purchasing an 870 receiver stud (online for about $3.50) and replacing the one that came with the PP? I don't have direct access to a grinder so I might get the part shipped to me before I can get to a friends house to grind it.
If I used an 870 receiver stud on my PP and then attached the Knoxx that was made for the 870, theoretically I would have to assume that it would work.

Also, after a quick googling, I came across a thread in which you (you seem to be answering questions everywhere, and I thank you for it) said that some Pardners use a metric stud. I assume from your suggestion above, that isn't the case with the PP.

[MAX100]

Some Protectors might have a Metric stud but probably not. Hawk Ind must have run out of the standard threaded studs and used Metric studs on some, who knows. They make shotguns for other countries as well. If it is Metric a Remington stud won't fit. You'll have to get a screw to fit it from the hardware store.

Pardner Protector is a REALLY stupid sounding name?

I like the name Protector but I don't care for the name Pardner.


GC

[Dr_2_B]

I may look for a 20 ga.

[snooperman]

God forbid? Why do those among us refuse to buy Chinese guns because they are made in China but think nothing of buying pants , shirts, hats and shoes from China , is beyond my comprehension. Some of you need to check out your shoe labels or your rationale for not buying Chinese guns. My 2 cents.

[THE DARK KNIGHT]

I wonder how many people stating they won't buy CHinese goods shop at Wal Mart...

Anyways, I'm seriously looking at a PP for a beat-around shotgun

[dom1104]

I have tossed this around in my head for a while, but the kicker for me is, a 870 wingmaster is just more versatile for the same money used, mostly cause of the variety of barrels. The Pardner Pump barrels are just... harder to get I think.


I just bought a 1969 <love that year!> 870 wingmaster in what I would call very decent condition with nice wood and 2 barrels for 220 bucks, I think its worth the extra 30 bucks really.

if I sold one of the barrels, I would be WAY under the PP cost.

I really think a used wingmaster is a better buy. for me at least.

Little more cred at the skeet / trap ranges too.

[swampboy]

I just bought a 1969 <love that year!> 870 wingmaster in what I would call very decent condition with nice wood and 2 barrels for 220 bucks, I think its worth the extra 30 bucks really.

dom; I don't think anybody (even myself or MAX) would disagree with that course of action IF, and I mean IF such a deal can be found. Not saying that you didn't, but in my experience, used WM's in my neck o' the woods are going for MUCH more than that.

[dom1104]

hmm, maybe at retail stores, but I had many MANY to choose from on Gunbroker that ended up selling in the low 200s.

in fact a quick search of the completed auctions shows 7 pages of sub 250 dollar wingmasters.

[lobo9er]

i looked at some barrels for my mossberg at gander moutain said made in mexico on the box i have to say i was a little disappointed not to much american out there. that is a side issue. the pardener is a nice looking package i have picked up a couple and if i didn't already have a few shotguns i would consider one if do in the future need a new truck/barn gun i would consider one fore sure

[MAX100]

I just bought a 1969 <love that year!> 870 wingmaster in what I would call very decent condition with nice wood and 2 barrels for 220 bucks, I think its worth the extra 30 bucks really.

It's a good deal for those that are looking for a pump shotgun to pull double duty. I am not a hunter and very rarely shoot clay. When I do shoot clay I like a Semi Auto.

That's if you can find one for that price and in good shape.

I purchased a NEF H&R Protector and Hawk 982 to be designated tactical HD shotgun. I like them because they are very reliable, the way the mag tube is setup and they are overbuilt and can take beating. Being low cost and a no name shotgun, I don't give a second thought if one gets scratched. The way the mag tube is setup it makes it easy to attach a flashlight mount and gives 5+1 cap, 6+1 if you drill the dimples out.


If I wanted to own a Remington 870 tactical HD shotgun it would be the new 870 tactical Express model #81197. It's loaded with extras and the best deal Remington has ever offered on a Tactical HD shotgun. I would sell the ported breacher choke tube that comes with it and get some of my money back. I would probably sale the factory tube extension kit as well.

If you sold both the total cost for the shotgun would be about $325.

That's $325 for an 870 that's tapped for choke tubes, receiver drill & tapped, has a nice black oxide finish and a very good set of ghost ring sights & rail mount combo.


GC

[OKgetdown]

These used Wingmasters people are claiming to come across for cheap dont seem to be around here.

Another thing.

People also consistently claim an Express is only about 50.00 more than the PP. Around here its more like 150.00.

The NEF PP is a solid shotgun. Looks good even beside the Express.

[Shpadoinkel]

^ Same here.

I bought a PP and Knoxx stock and I'm still about $40 under what I would have paid for a NIB Express in my area (SE Michigan).
Pretty easy decision for me.

[dom1104]

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=411537363

[snooperman]

How smooth is the pardner when pumping the action compared to the Remington 870? Anyone?? Does anyone own the 20 gauge? Thanks

[MAX100]

It depends on the gun because some are smoother than others. That's the case with most new guns.

A new Pardner Pump, Hawk 982 & 870 will all need to be smooth out or broke in over time to have a silky smooth action. I choose to smooth mine out as soon as I get them. It's easy to do and then they only get better with use.

GC

[snooperman]

I am looking for a cheaper priced pump that is reliable to put in my enclosed barn and feed shed on my small farm for Varmints and other pests that are after my chickens, etc during the day. At night they are locked up. I want a 20 guage so my wife can use it as well. I know that the 20 ga. youth gun can be had at our local Walmart for $195.00. I do not want to put my nice old Winchester and Ithaca out there . I guess if the action is rough I can smoothen it out and then can use it too.