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Safety First
January 17, 2003, 10:45 PM
Does everyone else enjoy reading his articles as much as I do? It seems everything I have read by him is written with quite a lot of thought,knowledge and experience. Once I start reading one of his articles it is hard to put the magazine down. So I just wanted to know if most of the High Road folks find his writings as insightful as I do??

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DeltaElite
January 17, 2003, 11:02 PM
Whether I agree or disagree, I do enjoy reading his words.
Makes me think and that is a good thing to do.

KMKeller
January 17, 2003, 11:11 PM
I get a kick out of his writing.

blades67
January 17, 2003, 11:12 PM
I find much of his magazine writing to be self-serving and condesending. He only gives you enough information about his cited "cases" to support his opinion. He writes about court cases that are a matter of public record as though they're Top Secret. If "Case One" will prove his point about something, why won't he properly cite the pertinent case law?

I know a couple of people that have taken some of his LFI courses. All have high praise for the information he gives in those courses. I also found his book "In the Gravest Extreme" to be excellent. His writings in the gunrags don't get it done for me though.




Edited to remove my mistaken opinion.:o

Matthew Courtney
January 17, 2003, 11:16 PM
Mas is a good man, great writer, and dedicated public servant. Be sure and follow up what you read in his articles by researching your state's laws, training to maintain/improve your skill level, and having a good attorney to call should you ever need to defend yourself. The money many of us might spend on a new gun might be better saved for the day we need an attorney just as bad as we needed a gun we already had.

cowdawg
January 17, 2003, 11:19 PM
Howdy Howdy, I enjoy his writing in the gun rags. He is one that has "been there done that"
Like alot that is writtin for mags etc. Use your own judgment bout it, but he is a good honest fellow in my book.

Preacherman
January 17, 2003, 11:30 PM
Blades67, I asked Mas about this last August, when I did LFI-2 and -3 with him. He says he never identifies cases by state, defendant's names, etc. because most of them are still very traumatic memories to those involved. They usually pertain to violent death or assault, and those involved often want to forget about them. Another factor is that many of those involved suffer social isolation because of their successful use of a firearm in self-defence. After the case is over, many move to new communities where their "past" is not widely known. To publicize their names might jeopardize the new lives they've built in different communities. For these reasons, he doesn't publish information that could identify those involved, except when they give permission for him to do so. Sounds reasonable to me...

blades67
January 17, 2003, 11:39 PM
That sounds reasonable to me.

J.Gillespie
January 18, 2003, 12:00 AM
One reason I look forward to buying "Combat Handguns" is to read his articles. I have never met Mr. Ayoob but, he sounds like a nice guy with much experience.

Pendragon
January 18, 2003, 03:53 AM
Like anyone else, you have to take what he says with a grain of salt.

I generally like what he writes, but I do wonder about some of the cases he writes about.

Also - he is one of the big "single action triggers will put you in jail" promoters. He pretty much says go DAO so they can't say you had a hair trigger, etc.

I think that you cannot consider that in a vacuum and while drawing a gun is rare enough, shooting and hitting someone is rarer - then to be rung up on charges for your trigger seems... unlikely.

He is a learned man though - it takes an intelligent person to keep listening to someone they have serious disagreements with to get to the good parts.

As my dad likes to say about the sermons on Sunday: "Eat the meat and leave the bones".

Lone Star
January 18, 2003, 07:19 AM
Ayoob is entertaining, but has a flair for dramatics. Remember the thingee he wrote on being ready for home defense, where he was decked out like he was en route to defend the Alamo? I hope it was tongue-in-cheek, although I'm sure that many readers took him literally. I think it was called, "Be Roll-Out Ready!".

I also got a kick out of his comment about "the South American work ethic" at Taurus generating high quality.

But he is more honest about discussing some guns than are other writers.

Lone Star

BigG
January 18, 2003, 07:27 AM
He is probably one of the only ones since the old crop, Askins, Keith, Skelton stopped writing that still produces what passes for a decent article. I don't agree with everything he says but he does a good job of articulating his opinion and I understand his classes are among the best.

Albert Shear
January 18, 2003, 07:37 AM
Trained with him, socialized with him. I'll take him standing next to me when the chips are down. Remember that most of his articles are geared to the "buy gun for self defense then put it away" crowd. Some are slanted toward the knowledgeable gun owner who trains regularly. Writing is his main livelyhood at has to accomodate all levels of readers. He also states that he writes to be overly cautious on purpose. Not all readers are skilled.

XLMiguel
January 18, 2003, 09:30 AM
I enjoy his stuff. I bought "In the Gravest Extreme" along with the "VA Gun Owner's Guide" just after I bought my first handgun and took my CCW class.

As noted, he writes for all levels of gun owners and isn't going to be as pertininet to expert level folks as for 'Joe Citizen'. I've found his advice on staying out of trouble (esp. on 'technicalities')to be useful. If nothing else, he's always good for 'food for thought'.

Art Eatman
January 18, 2003, 09:57 AM
Pendragon, there are some parts of the country, and some cities, where the prosecutorial establishment does not believe that "just citizens" should own any guns at all, and generally believes that no shooting is self-defense.

It is these bad apples in the LE barrel who will use anything they can to get a murder conviction for your self-defense good-shoot. They will use the issue of a custom gun or handloaded ammo, not to mention attendance at a firearms training school.

I believe it is for these situations that Ayoob is cautious. Makes sense to me. It's that arena wherein there is more to fear from the law than from the crook. Sad situation.

Art

Gunhead
January 18, 2003, 10:49 AM
I really like some of the stuff he writes. But I really don't like when he promotes an STI racegun as a good SOCOM pistol alternative...

BerettaNut92
January 18, 2003, 05:43 PM
I respect him and enjoy his articles. I like his collection at www.backwoodshome.com about debating anti's and dealing with lawyers.

Chuck Dye
January 18, 2003, 07:11 PM
Kodak publishes two distinct lines of literature-amateur and professional. One reviewer noted that the amateur line is written in short simple words so as not to tire the lips of the target reader. Ayoob seems to have much the same split. Does his popular product reflect an accurate assessment of, or a contempt for, the targeted reader?

Art Eatman
January 18, 2003, 09:02 PM
Huck, most any professional has to work with two vocabularies. It has nothing to do with "talking down to". It goes back to an ancient saying, "It is not your duty to understand me. It is my duty to make myself understood."

Would you start in with "ogive" and "sectional density" to one who has never done any shooting at all?

I'm retired from civil engineering, having worked in the dam and reservoir business. If we talked about the failures of some dams, would you understand me if I started in about "Swedish Slip Circle"? Or about such design characteristics as a "spillway with an ogee crest" or "Taintor gates"?

Whoever spouted off with "...short simple words so as not to tire the lips of the target reader." impresses me as probably an arrogant and ignorant twit. He certainly doesn't understand how one is to reach a non-professional audience.

In talking to a general lay audience, you use layman's terms as much as feasible.

:), Art

CAP
January 18, 2003, 09:20 PM
I look forward to his articles even if I don't particularly like it.

One thing for sure, he's definitely pro-gun for the lawful, and jail or worse for the the criminals.

He makes you think about situational self defense and this is a good thing. I just got "In the Gravest Extreme" for Xmas and can't wait to read it.

DAL
January 19, 2003, 03:02 AM
I like him, and that's good enough for me. When it comes to guns, gun writing, gun shooting, etc., I have yet to see a complete consensus from everyone on ANYTHING. He's not the best writer around, but he does a good job with his material, and who the heck is going to replace him?
DAL

Griff
January 19, 2003, 03:21 AM
Not a lot of training resources available here to civilians, so my wife and I are reading (incl. In The Gravest Extreme and The Gun Digest Book of Combat Handgunnery, 5th Edition by M. A.) and viewing (Mail Order Video Lenny Magill Productions M. A. presents Shoot to Live, Gunfight Survival) in preparation for attending classes when we return to the States.

Of all of the writers and video talent so far, Mr. Ayoob seems to have the most real world applications and ideas. We especially appreciate the information about When, as well as How and Why, not just What.

Albert Shear
January 19, 2003, 07:55 AM
These are the most pleasurable, insightfull and logical posts I have read on the the subject of Mas Ayoob. I have battled those on other forums who have disparaged/insulted him without even meeting the man or training with him. They base their hatred on one or two articles they do not agree with and they of course are the true knowledgable gun gurus. My hats off to this forum and its members as it seems you have apparently truly taken "The High Road".
Al

Shooter 2.5
January 19, 2003, 10:08 AM
Albert,
I think I know which story condemned Mas for the hardbitten crowd.
In "The Gravest Extreme"., he advocated tossing some money to some street people so he could walk unmolested. That comment disturbed the "Not a penny for tribute" group.
The man had worked for years in helping people retain their Rights and educated thousands. That's enough for me.
Just so everyone knows, I never met the guy, attended any of his classes and haven't read anything of his in years.

fastbolt
January 19, 2003, 02:08 PM
Okay ... I may step on somebody else's toes here, although I don't mean to ... but here's my answer to the question, along with some thoughts ...

Never met the man, so I can't comment one way or another on him as either a person, or a trainer, based upon personal knowledge ...

I have read much of what he writes. He IS a writer by trade, and is generally able to clearly articulate many points he wishes to make. Not a bad thing. I can read what he writes. I may question its validity or correctness ... but I can read it and understand what he's saying. Can that be said of all the other writers?

He does, indeed, write a lot of "fluff" articles. Even if you consider them so, anybody here NOT finished reading them?

Yeah, he does "water down" a lot of his material. Then again, he has no way of knowing who's reading his articles, and he probably writes to an "expected" standard of knowledge and competency that's been mutually agreed upon with the magazines, and his book publishers. They're still popular among a large spectrum of readers and shooters.

If I disagree with something he writes in one magazine, I often merely have to look for one of his contemporary articles in another magazine, and I'll occasionally be able to read an opposing view of something written in one article, in his own words in another article ... :rolleyes:

When it comes to relating useful information of a legal perspective, he's only the messenger, not the message ... his personal "spin" on something notwithstanding, although he generally distinguishes this sort of thing himself ... so I don't hold much of that either for, or against, him ... If it happened to someone in a court proceeding somewhere, it's useful to at least know about it, right?

While I naturally won't even remotely try to compare my firearms & shooting knowledge or experience to his ... I DO find many of his comments referencing aspects of the martial arts somewhat vague :scrutiny: and "interesting", but that's because I have more than 30+ years of experience in the arts ... He needs better technical advisors, or, maybe should simply listen to them better.

I've met many of his students. Not hard to do, as he has trained a LOT of folks in his courses. I've only met more Gunsite students than LFI students. That may say something about his popularity. I won't even begin to presume to evaluate a trainer based upon the demonstrated abilities of the trainer's students, if only because I'd prefer to be extended the same courtesy and benefit of the doubt. :D

There are often a lot of barbs and cheap shots taken at him regarding his Reserve L/E status, implying that since he's not doing it as a full-time career, he's somewhat less qualified to make some of the judgments and comments he does ... Well, there may be some merit to that.

On the other hand, part time Reserves that have a steady "outside" income, whether they're paid or not in their Reserve activities, are still subject to many of the same dangers to which full-time L/E are subjected ... Maybe not as often, granted, but none of the rest of us doing it full-time can predict which hour, or day, is going to be the most dangerous. They run the same risk. Besides, I've always had to wonder about the unpaid Reserves that subject themselves to the same risk of permanent injury or death that the rest of us face ... AND, at the risk of losing their "other" lives. (The glory hounds & thrill seekers notwithstanding. We've got those, too, in the full-time ranks). They often volunteer to do tasks for free that I would rather not do, even being paid. Makes me somewhat introspective ...

I can't recall him EVER printing anything derogatory about someone else in the fields he moves within ... general firearms-related literary, L/E firearms training & officer safety, and shooting sports/training. Can that be said of all the other writers & trainers?

His printed literary musings aren't that different than the thoughts and stories we all trade back and forth in the locker room and at our own ranges. ... Of course it's faster to draw a pocket weapon from your pocket if you already have your hand in the pocket and on the weapon's grip ... Of course it's more "flattering" to throw out the worst 2 of 5 shots fired for accuracy ... Of course it's more difficult to conceal a N-frame .44 Magnum under an untucked shirt tail on a safari in Africa ... Of course it's better to have custom tuned revolvers and pistols, versus "stock" models, in some situations ... Of course many of the currently produced pistols and revolvers are functional without any custom modifications ... Of course it's better to have access to defensive weapons when you're traveling, and have one loaned to you for official purposes upon your arrival ... Of course it's entertaining to read about someone knowing many of the people that are "legends" of our firearms age, and passing on interesting trivia and tidbits gained over a dinner table ... Of course a long photographer's vest with multiple pockets conceals handguns better than a t-shirt ... Of course there are many ways to draw from concealment, and some of them require the use of 2 hands ... Of course there are prosecutors and defense attorneys that apparently slept through most of their classes in law school ... Of course colder temperatures make it harder to shoot well when you're testing a new weapon ... Of course there are always things to learn in other schools and shooting academies, and we all have bad days ... and we can entertainingly go on & on, just as we could with our own musings in our own little groups. He just gets paid to talk about it. :neener:

I'd like to meet him someday, just to meet him ... and visit over some coffee, if he's a coffee drinking man ...

Chris Rhines
January 19, 2003, 02:17 PM
I have it on good authority that Massad Ayoob is a beer drinker. ;)

I own In the Gravest Extreme and thought it was excellent. Never taken any of his courses, but I would very much like to do LFI-I when he rolls through Lafayette this spring.

- Chris

Nightcrawler
January 19, 2003, 02:21 PM
Would you start in with "ogive" and "sectional density" to one who has never done any shooting at all?

Um....I don't know what those things are, exactly, either. :o

FPrice
January 19, 2003, 03:02 PM
" I think I know which story condemned Mas for the hardbitten crowd.
In "The Gravest Extreme"., he advocated tossing some money to some street people so he could walk unmolested. That comment disturbed the "Not a penny for tribute" group."

I remember that passage, the resulting firestorm from some critics, and Ayoob's rebuttal.

In the first place, IIRC, that passage was written from the point of view of a guy who was out with his wife/gf/family and approached by some punks. It was a suggestion for a way to get out a confrontation without having to escalate it into something more intense.

Many of his critics responded as if he were in LE uniform proposing that a cop try to buy off some punks. Ayoob responded in a rather scathing manner that this was not the case, that if anyone challenged him in such a manner whhile he was on duty, that he (Ayoob) would show them the error of their ways in trying to confront him while on duty. Again IIRC, none of the critics had anywhere near his reputation.

ctdonath
January 19, 2003, 04:34 PM
Mas IS a beer drinker. Hand him a cold Rolling Rock and he will chat for hours.

Most of the scathing comments made about him are by people who have never met him. Some of his views may seem controversial or contradictory, but not when taken in full context of what he believes and teaches.

A week at LFI is HIGHLY recommended. LFI-1 is a must-take course for anyone who handles firearms.

fastbolt
January 19, 2003, 05:18 PM
Perhaps we could find some common ground if he would accept a creamy Stout, an amber Ale, or even a rich Porter ...

But Rolling Rock? Might as well drink Budweiser, Oly, Coors or even Miller. :what:

matis
January 19, 2003, 07:28 PM
I guess I can say I'm fairly knowledgeable 'cause I read a lot. But I'm certainly no expert.

I learn much from Mr. Ayoob, especially about the legal traps awaiting SD shooters. And I enjoy and appreciate him.

Matis

Shooter 2.5
January 19, 2003, 08:24 PM
FPrice,
Thanks for the added information so the others can better judge the circumstances of the article.
I don't necessarily agree or disagree with the behavior.
Like I said, I never met the man. I would like to and he might be at one of the NRA conventions some day.

By the way, I always made a habit to bring books to the annual meeting so I can get them signed. I'm still trying to meet G. David Tubb and Mike Dillon.

Kobun
January 19, 2003, 09:12 PM
I like most of the things Mr. Ayoob writes. Not all of it, but most.
He got me thinking a few years ago. How to look at things and to think them through in "what if" senarios.
And, the thing that helped me: When confronted/attacked, to safeguard your status as the victim; yell: "STOP! STAY AWAY!"
I was attacked once. I ended up pulling a large knife on the guy while yelling the above mentioned. Guy backs off, but I end up being picked up by the cops. Spend a night in jail (was better than sleeping in a tent during a blizzard anyways :D). Then I put to use something else he had written about. During the questioning by the cops, I was painstakingly aware of what the report was saying. I refused to sign it before it was a 100% as I wanted it. That included changing it 5-6 times and spending a coupple aditional hours being questioned.
All in all, there were no charges filed. I can still own any (almost) gun I want.
I have been thinking of writing him a letter to say thank you, but havent gotten around to it.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=43854

mec
February 26, 2003, 07:11 PM
Ayoob has definately done his homework and has contributed materially to the lot of the armed citizen. he is a professional expert witness in addition to his other persuits. His observations went far toward improving the Texas Concealed Handgun training course and his observations on tachipsychia and other physiological responses to threat made it into the base cirriculum.

In fact, he and Jeff Cooper have both become mainstream figures in handgun trainging although they are not always cited by name. I recall mentioning their contributions to the Texas CHL cirriculum in an article and being accused of lying by an Expert Concealed Handgun Instructor. - He had only been a handgun expert for a couple of months and failed to recognize Coopers contributions in ref: color coding and treat levels or ayoob's explicatons of physiological response to threat.

Stevie-Ray
February 26, 2003, 08:01 PM
I was a regular reader of "The Ayoob Files" for years. My subscriptions all lapsed a few years ago, and I haven't renewed any as my house was getting quite heavy.:D I always enjoyed his writings and appreciated his support of the RKBA immensely. Having never met him, I can only guess I would genuinely like him. We beer drinkers generally get along just fine.;)

seeker_two
February 27, 2003, 10:16 AM
Ayoob is one of the few gunwriters (i.e. Jim Wilson, Mike Venturino, John Taffin, Mike Cumpston) who I take what they say as the honest, unvarnished truth & wisdom. Even though I don't agree w/ EVERYTHING he writes, I acknowledge it as info from someone who knows of what he speaks...:cool:

Navy joe
February 27, 2003, 11:14 AM
He is a public figure who strongly advocates private citizens owning and bearing guns. What is not to like?

Cougar
February 27, 2003, 11:45 AM
I remember once, at the end of an article on gun's safeties, he had asked for cases where the contraversial magazine safety had been a deciding factor in the outcome of an incident.

Not a week later, an off duty Cleveland cop was working security somewhere downtown and had an incident where his gun was wrestled away and the BG tried to shoot the cop. The gun wouldn't fire because at the last minute, the cop realized he was losing control of the weapon and hit the mag release. The cop was able to draw his backup and fire, thus ending the confrontation, while the BG was distracted while trying to get the primary gun to work. Cop - 1, BG - 0.

I e-mailed a newspaper story link to Ayoob and he wrote back thanking me for submitting the recent event for his database. I wish I could spare the $$$ and the time to take one of his classes.

BigG
February 27, 2003, 11:57 AM
About meeting a public figure; Gee, I never met Jesus, or Jeff Cooper, or even George Bush. Does that disqualify me from having an opinion about somebody who holds his work up in public and says, in effect, "look at this!" ?

I think we have a healthy bit of hero worship/snobbery here on the part of the folks that say "you don't know him and I do so your opinion is not relevant." As if attending a 40 hour class qualifies you to say you "KNOW" somebody.

Mas did take some cheap shots in an article a year or so back about the late, great Charley Askins. I was a big vicarious fan of Charley's all thru the sixties until he stopped writing and you always knew where something stood with the old colonel. No beating around the bush. Yes, Askins may have disparaged some of his fellow writers (O'Connor comes to mind) but so did Elmer Keith and those two had the combined knowledge, experience, and ability to put pen to paper of a round dozen of any active gunwriter today.

When a person writes for money for public consumption we term him a professional. Professionals have to put up with criticism. It goes with the territory.

moxie
February 27, 2003, 12:36 PM
I think he's a tremendous resource. And, he steered me to my Security-Six, which has proved to be one of the best guns I've ever shot.

Moxie

M1911
February 27, 2003, 02:27 PM
I'm retired from civil engineering, having worked in the dam and reservoir business. If we talked about the failures of some dams, would you understand me if I started in about "Swedish Slip Circle"? Or about such design characteristics as a "spillway with an ogee crest" or "Taintor gates"?I certainly recognize a spillway with an ogee crest. Don't recognize Swedish Slip Circle or Taintor gates. But then, I used to be a civil enginner too...

treeprof
February 27, 2003, 03:18 PM
He's highly literate, which is more than one can say of >90% of mag writers. Having testified myself in opposition to the fitness of several expert witnesses in civial trials, IMO he's a very savvy witness with a keen eye for the nuances of personal liability trials (I know zero of the workings of criminal courts). I know well one of the principals in a story that Ayoob's repeated a couple of times in his articles, and he's gotten the story faithfully correct save one detail.

One of my grad students was engaged to/living with Ayoob's oldest daughter Cat when he moved here to start his PhD. I think I was more heartbroken than he was when they split up shortly thereafter. My student told me that the commandos in the local gun shop nearly peed themselves when they got to handle the FFL transfer for a couple of pistols Ayoob sent my student to use.

Monkeyleg
February 27, 2003, 05:37 PM
"One of my grad students was engaged to/living with Ayoob's oldest daughter Cat when he moved here to start his PhD. I think I was more heartbroken than he was when they split up shortly thereafter."

I wonder if your grad student acted in an ungentlemanly way, and got whacked on the head with Mas' flashlight? ;)

treeprof
February 27, 2003, 06:17 PM
No, more of a mutual thing. Besides, she is apparently quite proficient with her Beretta.

M1911
February 27, 2003, 09:36 PM
Besides, she is apparently quite proficient with her Beretta.Yup, she is.

sw442642
February 27, 2003, 10:38 PM
LFI-1 is a must for the serious shooter. Ayoob has flaws as do many folks but
you can't fault the learning experience you get from him.

Crimper-D
February 27, 2003, 10:45 PM
Difference between a Maehanical Engineer & a Civil Engineer:

The Mechanical Engineer builds weapons...:evil:

The Civil Engineer builds TARGETS!:rolleyes: :what:

As for Mr. Ayoob - I enjoy his articles. My CCW instructor took one of Ayoob's classes and passes it on to _His_ students:)

Double Naught Spy
February 27, 2003, 10:55 PM
Good writer, biased writer and as Blades67 mentioned, self serving in what he writes. That being said, if he were a poor writer, then he would not be able to make the points he is hoping to make and no doubt the gunrag editors probably have something to do with the end product, no doubt being shorter than the original manuscript.

It is one thing for a writer to express and opinion. It is another for that opinion to be backed with case studies. The fact that he writes clear enough for readers to evaluate much of what he writes is a critical point. Whether or not the reader agrees with his analysis, the information is there for that evaluation to be made and so the article has given the reader some mental exercise to work through the information.

I would think a whole lot more of his writing if he would get of the soap box on the issues of gun names, gun modifications, and reloaded ammo for self defense. He has suggested that all of these factors may cause court cases to go against a person in a self defense shooting and that simply has not proven to be factual. This stuff has shown up in multiple publications and somewhere along the way has given rise to the idea that the ideal gun you should be carrying is the same one the local cops carry and with the same ammo the local cops use...as if that would somehow reduce your liability for shooting a person in self defense. Whether or not a person had the right to use lethal force is not determined based on the gun's name (e.g., Wilson Combat CQB), if it has a modified trigger that is light, if the ammo was somebody's home remedy super duper bio blaster ammo, or if the person is using the same gun and ammo the local cops use.

Albert Shear
February 28, 2003, 07:12 AM
DNS,
"I would think a whole lot more of his writing if he would get of the soap box on the issues of gun names, gun modifications, and reloaded ammo for self defense. He has suggested that all of these factors may cause court cases to go against a person in a self defense shooting and that simply has not proven to be factual. "

Yeah, but wouldn't you hate to br the first one. The last time I talked with him I asked this very same question. His answer was that in over 20years there has never been a firearms accident in all of LFI. He does not want there to be a first time. The same holds for gun names/mods/ammo question.
Al

cordex
February 28, 2003, 09:11 AM
Yeah, but wouldn't you hate to br the first one. The last time I talked with him I asked this very same question. His answer was that in over 20years there has never been a firearms accident in all of LFI. He does not want there to be a first time. The same holds for gun names/mods/ammo question.
... logic which can be used to argue for or against anything whatsoever. Surely he can come up with something better than that.
Homer: "Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm."

Lisa: "That's specious reasoning, Dad."

Homer: "Thank you, dear."

Lisa: "By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away."

Homer: "Oh, how does it work?"

Lisa: "It doesn't work."

Homer: "Uh-huh."

Lisa: "It's just a stupid rock."

Homer: "Uh-huh."

Lisa: "But I don't see any tigers around, do you?"

Homer: "Lisa, I want to buy your rock."

Haven't read much Ayoob, personally. That which I have seen hasn't struck me as incredibly well written, nor terribly poor. Will have to check out Gravest Extreme before I make further judgements.

buzz_knox
February 28, 2003, 10:27 AM
Also - he is one of the big "single action triggers will put you in jail" promoters. He pretty much says go DAO so they can't say you had a hair trigger, etc.

Wrong. Mas recognizes that many shooters (LEO and nonLEO)have little to no training and thus the DAO may serve them well. If you've received training, he has absolutely no problem whatsoever with 1911s, Glocks, Sigs, etc.

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