[38snapcaps]

With hot weather coming I am trying to decide between these two for pocket carry.

The mini is .22lr/.22mag and the Keltec is .32acp. The NAA's grip is a little clumsy and is single action. But the quality is higher and to me so is the dependability.

The Keltec is a larger centerfire cartridge, easier to hold on to, with a double action trigger. But I almost don't dare buy a Keltec product, from what I've read the quality is really erratic. Maybe I'll get a good one, maybe I won't.

They both cost the same, ammo is plentiful (except the .22 is lots cheaper for practice), warranty is the same, many holster choices, and both have excellent customer service reputations.

So, which would you pick? Please do not recommend anything else (I have a .38 snubnose that I think is too big for the pocket), I've looked at everything else and have settled on these two.

Thanks.

[David E]

No contest at all.

Keltec.

[jad0110]

Kel-Tec here too, and I prefer revolvers overall. I've actually considered a P32 for times when deep concealment is of the utmost importance. I vastly prefer a 38 snubbie as I don't shoot small autos very well, but there are times that I cannot conceal even that and as I said, sometimes concealment is critically important.

I personally prefer the P32 over the P3AT as the P32 generally seems to be more reliable, and it is easier for my big hands to hold onto under it's lighter recoil than the snappy 380 P3AT. Just stick to FMJ in either gun for sufficient penetration.

The NAA mini revolver is an extremely well crafted little gun, but there comes a point when a gun becomes too small to be of much use to most people. 22LR is already iffy in the penetration department, which isn't helped by the mini's tiny barrel.

[Holgersen]

Keltec. Remember it is an automatic and it will be quicker to reload. Especially since it is a .32 and you might need the reload. I always carry an extra magazine with my .380, becuase it is small and there is not reason not to.

[Jorg]

I have both a NAA in .22 mag and a Kel-tec P3AT. The P3AT is my choice for pocket carry.

[easyg]

Between those two choices, I would go with the Keltec.

[gb6491]

No contest at all.

Keltec.
+1
I have both and the Kel Tec would be my choice. I find it easier to shoot and get hits with. Mine is very reliable (I can't remember ever having a problem with it:)). Reloads (or even carrying extra ammo) are no contest at all.

In regards to Kel Tec quality; I think the P32 and P11 are the best of their pistols. They do have a lifetime warranty and I've read that Kel Tec is good about honoring it (never had to use it myself:cool:).
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The Mini is nicely made; everybody should have one:D

Regards,
Greg

[KBintheSLC]

I was struggling with the exact same option a while back. I went with the KT P32 and don't regret it one bit. It is totally reliable, holds more rounds of a more powerful caliber, and I don't have to cock a hammer with every shot. It is also easier to shoot accurately with than the NAA mini's are. My wife liked my P32 so much that she took it... so I bought a second one for me. Great guns.

Nothing against the NAA's, but if its one or the other, I'd go P32.

[Ala Dan]

I chose the NAA with 1-1/8" barrel in .22 WMR, for up close and
personal protection; between these two choices~! :uhoh:

Most of the time I pocket carry a KEL-TEC P3AT in .380 ACP~! ;)

[Animal Mother]

This thread needs a poll.

Make mine Keltec.

[Joe Demko]

I have both a P32 and a .22wmr mini with boot grips. One's about as good as the other, mostly. For summertime carry in a sweaty pocket, the NAA gets the nod.

[gpr]

p3at in the front pocket...naa in the shirt pocket.....gpr

[David E]

The NAA is too small to control reliably and too slow to shoot effectively.

[Lee Lapin]

I carried a NAA until the P3AT came along. Now the NAA is in the safe and the KelTec goes along when nothing bigger will work. My wife and I both have first generation hard chromed P3ATs, bought NIB, and have never had a bit of a bobble with either of them.

fwiw,

lpl

[-v-]

Kel Tec without a question.
Bigger caliber, more reliable ignition, faster rate of fire (SA revolver vs Semi-Auto), and as others have pointed out more controllable. All around win.

[PT92]

+1 for the KelTec.

-Cheers

[marv]

Kel-Tec. I have bought 5 new KT in the past year:S2K, P32, P3AT, P11, P9F. Did not do F&B on any of them. Just cleaned, lubed, and shot them. Not a bit of trouble from any of them.

[RAMRunnr]

I also would go with the Kel-Tec. I have 2 P-3ats and I have had no problems with them whatsoever. I carry them when I need the smaller gun due to clothing constraints and I cannot carry my Taurus 9mm, if I am carrying the 9mm the Kel-Tecs become backup guns.

[jackstinson]

I have all three: NAA Mini, K-T P32, K-T P3AT.
The Mini in it's smallest form is a bear to actually shoot quickly on-target. You get one finger on the grip and the gun shifts in your grip with every shot. I love my Mini though...it's fun to play with. A good last-ditch deep concealment gun if you need it.
The K-T's may be a little larger, but both still pocket easily. The P32 is easier on the hand than the P3AT, but both are good. I have never had an issue with a Kel-Tec product. Reliability has been excellent on the ones I've owned. That includes both 1st and 2nd generation designs (have a P32 made in the third month of 1st Gen production).
Heck, I have even a 2nd Generation new Kel-Tec P32 on layaway right now! They were on sale this month and my wife wanted me to put something on layaway for her to give me for my birthday in a couple weeks.
A P32 with 8 rounds of S&B or Fiocchi beats 5 rounds of .22LR in an NAA Mini any day.

Ammo concerns? Currently .22LR is easiest and cheapest to find. .32acp is pretty available online. .380 is tougher, but I've been able to keep a good stock on hand by simply keeping back-orders at 2-3 places. A steady flow comes in that way.

[kanook]

I carry me Casull :D

[OregonJohnny]

Apart from those random pictures of the "Swiss Mini Gun" floating around the internet, I don't believe there is another currently-made, fully-functioning, multi-shot firearm as small as the NAA Minis. They are truly in a size class of their own. If you had said NAA Mini or Ruger LCP, I'd go with the LCP. But my only experience with a Kel-Tec product was a very bad one, and although I know there are lemons in every brand, and some swear by the dependability of their P32, I wouldn't personally trust one. The LCP I shot was flawless. My NAA Mini Magnum (1-5/8", .22 Mag/.22 LR) has been flawless. The size of the Kel-Tec P32 is pocket-friendly. The size of the NAA Mini is closed-fist-friendly, literally. I can keep it wrapped up in the palm of my hand or slip it into a sock, it will fit almost anywhere. The single-action and miniature grips are a bit clumsy, but the fit and finish are astonishing for such a tiny firearm. Plus they cost $150-$200 brand-new, and some come with 2 cylinders. Notice I didn't get into ".22 WMR vs. .32 ACP". I'm only talking about the firearms themselves. For shear size, dependability, and fit and finish, the NAA Mini is superior to the Kel-Tec in my opinion. I'll leave the caliber wars to others.;)

[kludge]

.22Mag 7-shot S&W/8-shot Taurus DA revolver > Kel-Tec P32 > NAA .22Mag

IMO.

[TehK1w1]

Kel-tec P32 for me. The NAA seems better made, but the P32 has a decent reputation and I haven't heard many complaints about it. Once take quality out of the equation, you end up with caliber and ease of shooting as the most important factors. The P32 is larger caliber and faster to shoot, so...
P32 it is.

[Walkalong]

I have a NAA .22 Mag, and a Seecamp .32, both of which I carry.

[usp9]

The only guns I read about failing to function properly more than the Kel-tec must be the NAA line of revolvers. If it were me, I'd look elsewhere.

[Walkalong]

My NAA has never failed in 31 years.

[CCWB]

I had the P32 but did a one for one in January cause' I bought an XD the day before. The 32 had a belt clip for IWB, had the lanyard for sweatshirts, and always had an extra thin mag in my pocket.

Get the P32, a little more stopping power than the 22 for SD.

[gilfo]

Funny you should ask. Ive had the P32 for years, it's my everyday carry, just got back from shooting my new NAA Pug. I love both but do prefer the Kel Tec if I had to choose. Just because it is a 32 and hold more rounds and faster to shoot.

[Redhawk1]

I have both a NAA in .22 mag and a Kel-tec P3AT in 380 ACP. The P3AT is my choice for pocket carry. I use to carry my NAA 22 Mag all the time.

I just like bigger holes.

[Rontherunner]

I'd go with Kel-Tec. I had some FTE problems with a new PF9, and sent it back to the factory, and whatever they did made it work just fine.

[Cpt. America]

Kel tec hands down.

[ArchAngelCD]

Kel-Tec P-32 without a doubt but each has it's place.
With a little practice you will be surprised at how well you can shoot one from 10 yards out.

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[B yond]

The only guns I read about failing to function properly more than the Kel-tec must be the NAA line of revolvers.

Got a source for that, bub?

[bestseller92]

I'd go for a Ruger LCP instead of either one.

[MCgunner]

P3AT, same size as a P32 and more horsepower. Actually, though, I carry my P11 9x19 +P hi cap in one pocket and the NAA in the other. And, I have absolutely NO problems pocketing a light .38 snub. If you do, you're not wearing the right pants. ;) A 642 can go anywhere my 9mm can if that's your preference. It's more gun than any .32 or .22, a lot more.

[gimlet1/21]

where did you hear that Kel-Tec didn't make a quality weapon? Don't confuse affordable with cheap.

Go with the Kel-Tec, I own three of them P-32, PF-9, and a sub 2000. As a father of seven I can appreciate well made and affordable.

[MCgunner]

I see Kel Tec haters on this board, but NAA minis are "unreliable"? I've never ever heard THAT one. The things are built like little Rolexs that shoot. There's not a finer put together firearm on the market IMHO. Yeah, it's tiny, it's a mouse gun, but it's damned sure a high quality piece!!!! I don't carry mine as a primary, but it's a quality gun. It's a bit hard to shoot even with the big holster grip, lacks power, lacks firepower, but it's a quality gun. The thing is actually pretty accurate, but many folks, lesser skilled with small guns, can't shoot it so it's got that "screw in their ear" reputation. I've practiced with mine, found ammo that works in it, shoots to POA, and I can fill the center of a paper plate at 25 yards with it. It's an accurate gun, just hard to shoot, neigh on impossible for ME to point shoot, too, though some shooters may be more skilled at that than me. It's just tiny, hard to point.

My KT has never failed me, either.

[ArmedBear]

I carry a NAA Mini .22LR sometimes, generally when I don't anticipate the remote possibility of any need for a firearm. It will work as well as any derringer has, but with a few extra rounds.

But when I carry it, it's generally "because I can." (Years of living in an anti-gun state will do that to you.)

It's not remotely unreliable. Fit and finish are like a Freedom Arms. I've put a fair number of rounds through it, and I can hit a can at 8-10 paces, no problem. Never had a misfire, jam, or anything else that you might call "unreliable."

I mainly bought it (used) because it was a really nice, yet inexpensive, expression of the gunmaker's art. Came with a tiny leather IWB holster. It's the least expensive cartridge-fired gun I've ever bought, and yet one of the most intriguing. I just like having it around.:)

The Kel-Tec is more of a serious but small defensive piece. The diametric opposite of the NAA, there's not a viscerally pleasing thing about it. It's a practical carry gun, no less, and not a bit more. It's the better choice if that's what you want.

[LightningJoe]

The P32 is a real gun. The NAA mini is more of a curio.


In practice, I haven't found a situation in which I could carry my NAA mini in which I couldn't carry my P32. Well, that's not quite true. I did carry my mini-revolver in the swimming pool a couple of times.

[WC145]

Get the Kel-tec and make it a .380. I've carried mine for a few years now and never had a bit of trouble with it.

[PcolaDawg]

I've got the Kel-Tec P32 and P3AT and I love 'em both. During the summer, I will most likely (like today) be carrying my P3AT.

[hk boy]

+1 for Kel Tec

[thunder173]

Wait a minute,...let me check what's on me belt here,....yup,...it's a keltec fer sure,...but I do the
P3AT vs the .32 ACP,....ymmv,....I tried the mini revolvers.... once,....they're not for me, I am too clumsy fingered for them.

[shooter1]

Well lets see---------I have a P32, two P3Ats, two P11s, and a Pf9. Oh yeah, guess I'd choose the kel tec. I have shot the NAA minis quite a bit. Both in .22lr and mag. They are a lot of fun to play with, and can be more accurate than one might imagine. IMO not a good choice for a carry gun, but better than a sharp stick. I've never heard of an NAA being unreliable, don't know where that came from. Definitely well built.
str1

[gitnsige]

I have a P32. I ran 100 rds through it with no problems when I first bought it. I'll probaby get the NAA Mini at some point for those times you can't carry anything else.

[makarovnik]

I can hit what I'm aiming at with the Kel-Tec.

[Frizzman]

I have a NAA .22mag and a Keltec P32 and a new Ruger LCP. The P32 has been my first choice for a pocket carried pistol over the last few years. I have carried the NAA as a BUG to the P32. With the new LCP, I will probably carry the P32 as a BUG to the LCP. Trying to cock and shoot a tiny single action revolver under the stress of a deadly encounter is something I would want to avoid. In the revolver dept. I have a S&W 432 in .32 H&R mag. The other guy might be armed too you know.:eek:

[BK]

I choose the NAA, but only because of caliber issues.

[RatDrall]

If I were down to a P32 or a rimfire, I would just leave the gun at home and carry a knife, but I've also trained in knife based martial arts and am not completely unskilled in that department.

[Deltaboy]

kel tec

[stark60]

I’m a novice and I would like to ask some questions concerning the use of small guns whose responses may help 38snapcap.
In SD domain there are few issues :
1) Your agressor is afraid by your gun (whether he has got a gun, a knife or nothing) and he gives up. I think none of NAA or Kel Tec is OK for that.
2) You have to fire to stop the agressor. In that case to really stop the agressor rushing on you only by wounding him, the minimum is said to be 9 para shot in a short-medium sized barrel (for example a KAHR K9).
3) Otherwise you have to shoot him in the head at short distance (unless you’re a marksman) and both of NAA or Kel Tec I think can do the job (you may confirm that).
Even more if the agressor is armed you are obliged to shoot first and really stop him, no other issue.
Q1 : I just wonder which are the legal issues if you kill a bare hand man or a man with a knife (of course I know that’s better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6) ?
Q2 : How much training and how much self-control is necessary to go into option 3 ?

Thanks

Stark

[Vern Humphrey]

Somewhere on these forums we have an account by a South African of a shootout in which he used a NAA revolver in .22 Mag. Although he won the shootout, the revolver blew up in his hand -- apparently because the basepin came loose.

I'd go with the Kel-Tec.

[TheBookGuy]

do a search for this thread "Actual Shootout against armed killers."

[thunder173]

Keltec,...I carry the P3AT almost daily,...on my belt right now in fact.

[Pyzon]

You did not actually say you were going to buy one or the other, Snapcaps but your original post sounded like that was the case. If you are going to buy one of your choices, why not consider the P3AT which is nearly the same physical size as the P32 and a decent upgrade in potential ? Yeah, I knowm .380 ammo is tough to come by but lots of places are starting to get some stock, especially online.

Just my 2 cents, but if limited to only your 2 choices, the P-32 is what I would choose.

[jimk0512]

Kel-Tec P-32.

Small enough to pocket carry in a holster. I'm carrying mine in my back pocket.

Accurate enough for me to pass my state's required shooting test. The qualification course consists of 25 rounds total, 10 rounds at seven yards and 15 rounds at three yards.

Large enough caliber to take my state's required shooting test. Per state concealed carry act "An applicant shall not be licensed unless he demonstrates, at a minimum, his ability to use a handgun of .32 caliber." Where I live, you can't get a concealed carry permit with only a .22 handgun.

[Boba Fett]

+1 for the Kel-Tec

[woad_yurt]

Kel-Tec .32 for me.

[MCgunner]

Well, I own a Kel Tec P11 that never ever fails. I dont need to read about it. :rolleyes: So, that's what I carry. .32 ain't much more'n .22 IMHO. I have a mini revolver, but really prefer not to carry it. I think my next carry is going to be a Ruger LCP to fill in the size niche. A P3AT would be fine, I just want the Ruger. I would prefer to carry .380 to .32. .32 has never pulled my strings as being an effective round and, really, I much prefer my 9 or .38 to .380, but would carry the .380 on rare occasion that the slightly larger guns aren't an option. That almost never is the case, but I'd just like to have an LCP anyway. :D

My mini rides in an off pocket a lot, but never as the primary. It's a neat little gun, could bail me out of a jam, never know, and I carry it in my weak side pocket so that if I'm in a tussle and my right arm is tied up, I have an extra option. .22 ain't much, but shoved in an ear, it can get the guy's attention.