Ordering FAL scope mount from US?


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lykoris
May 28, 2009, 09:58 AM
I'm getting two L1A1s (waiting for paperwork to clear) and have been trying desperately to get my hands on this. This company bought the rights from A.R.M.S for production and it's sold in a few other online stores.

http://www.mountsplus.com/miva/merchant.mvc?

All the online retails say I need an export license in order to send it to Europe for anything over USD 100 :banghead::scrutiny: I really don't see the reasoning behind this, no doubt it costs you tens of millions of dollars in lost revenue every year from Europeans.

This is what DSA emailed back after I asked about their scope mount

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Sorry, but we can not ship any merchandise overseas with a value above $100.00 without an approved State Department Export License. They will not approve this for individuals, only for Government and Police orders. The industry is working to change this policy.

It costs $200 to apply for each export license.

Also, none of the following is allowed to be shipped out of country:

Barrels
Bolts
Receivers
Forgings
Machine Gun Parts
Universal Operating Components
Firearms of any kind

Sorry for the inconvenience, but this is their policy.

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If I ask someone in the US to buy it and then post it on to me would that be ok :confused:

I'm thinking it's essentially a dust cover with a rail and technically I would be buying it 2nd hand....no different than if somebody in the U.S. put it up on ebay and I made the winning bid.

Or does the same law apply to individuals that apply to companies :confused:

I'm guessing some of you guys have shipped some things to friends across the pond here in Europe - any ideas how I can get my hands on one.

I keep running into brick walls:o

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TexasRifleman
May 28, 2009, 10:12 AM
If I ask someone in the US to buy it and then post it on to me would that be ok

Same law applies unfortunately.

It's called ITAR.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITAR

I don't know of any legal way around it.

Absolutely ridiculous, you are right about that.

Sorry can't really offer any suggestions.

lykoris
May 28, 2009, 11:38 AM
Thanks for taking the time to reply Texasrifleman, I really appreciate it and knew it was a long shot in posting it up.

The wiki article was very informative and answered some things I was unclear about.

Perhaps I could ask somebody that goes over to the states to bring it back with them through the airport in their main luggage. I did this for three scopes last year - bushnell4200, leup mk4 and zeiss conquest even though Cabelas wouldn't post due to this ITAR legislation.

It's a real shame as every shooter I know here complains about the rip off prices we get charged over here for US stuff, sometimes well over twice the price :( I think you'd see a huge jump in sales if this was lifted, especially given the EUR/USD exchange rate.

Anyways, thanks for the response :)

ZEN.45
May 29, 2009, 04:23 AM
Check gunpartsguy.com

They have the L1A1 scope mount for less than 100 $

http://estore.websitepros.com/832529/Detail.bok?no=358

I have bought several items (always less than 100$ :D ) online from them and everything went smoothly. A highly recommended seller.

Enjoy your L1A1, I sure enjoy mine !

lykoris
May 29, 2009, 08:06 AM
I might go that route but really hope to get the ARMS mount No.3 as from all the research I've done it is the best.

The gunpartsguy mount I know about (believe it's UTG/leapers) and a few said there was play when installed on an L1A1. I might get his UTG quad rail.

I'm getting two so hoping to dress one of them up

http://www.tirmaillyforum.com/mildot/viewtopic.php?t=54504&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Thanks for the response

rcmodel
May 29, 2009, 01:36 PM
How do we know you are not a terrorist?

See, the arms export laws are not completely goofy.

No need for us to sell all the good stuff to people that are trying to kill us every day all over the world. Just to make a few bucks.

We have big arms dealer corporations doing that for us.

rc

Mikee Loxxer
May 29, 2009, 01:55 PM
Personally I don't think I would be discussing activley working to violate export laws in a public forum. This is serious stuff that has real repercussions. See what happened to Cabela's below.

On November 7, 2008, BIS posted to its website that BIS had settled allegations involving 76 exports of optical sighting devices for firearms with Cabela's Incorporated (Cabela's) - the self-proclaimed World's Foremost Outfitter - for a whopping $680,000.00. The size of the settlement, which equates to almost $8,950.00 per export, is in no doubt due to the fact that, in 2005, BIS and Cabela's settled 685 violations involving exports of gun sighting devices and shotgun parts for $265,000.00. The 2005 settlement contains a thirty-two page appendix detailing the unlicensed exports, and provides detailed insight into specific items falling into ECCNs 0A984 and 0A987.

Judging from some of the postings to Cabela's online catalog, the retailer has instituted some internal controls on exports - for example, this announced prohibition on exports of night-vision products. And this posting reported that Cabela's cited US export controls in declining to send some sort of knife to the United Kingdom. But despite two settlements, Cabela's online catalog voices no restrictions on the export of most of the advertised optical sighting devices.

Undoubtedly, Cabela's size and success make the flawless implementation and management of a comprehensive export compliance program exceedingly difficult. Nevertheless, the US Government should expect nothing less from a purveyor of firearms and ammunition. An optical sighting device is only a hunter's scope until such time as it is put into the hands of a sniper. At a minimum, Cabela's should be updating its website to reflect export restrictions for all products requiring a license prior to export, and should be educating all of its employees to be able to spot red flags - more especially considering Cabela's clientele has a strong base among hunters, fishermen, and marksmen, all of whom like their toys and are prone to braggadocio and open chatting on the subject. BIS can monitor Cabela's actions and compliance with little more than a dial-up connection and halfway decent search engine. Going forward, the US Government is likely to be unsympathetic to Cabela's missteps. Even the guy working the cash register is simply going to have to understand that when someone pays in Canadian dollars for items like powder, primer, chrono, and bullets, he's going to have to ask the right questions.

Silvanus
May 29, 2009, 04:33 PM
Which country in Europe are you from? I might be able to help you. One of the gun shops I frequent has 2 different kinds of rail mounts for FAL rifles. One is from DSA I think but I can't remember the other brand. If you're interested, you can also PM me if you prefer that.

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