My wife wants a .22 WMR pistol for self-defense. Now what?


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Abominable No-Man
October 17, 2003, 09:29 PM
In past threads I have made references to my wife. She is a small, petite girl, and recently has shown a great deal more interest than earlier about guns and shooting. Guess I'm rubbing off on her.

She has shot everything I own, pistol, rifle, and shotgun; she shoots very well, but recently has come to the conclusion that her favorite caliber to shoot is a .22 (She's already made me promise to get her the Browning Buckmark carbine when the tax return gets in......), and she very much wants a self-defense pistol.

Now to the question at hand. I would very much like for her to get an auto
in .22 WMR for an around the house pistol. She thinks it's a great idea.

Problem: I don't know of any, and since I never have encountered a discussion like this before, how does the WMR fare in self-defense, and what pistols are chambered for it?

So, gang, please put your heads together and give me some ideas?

ANM

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Dave Markowitz
October 17, 2003, 09:37 PM
There have been only a couple of .22 Mag autoloading pistols. One was made by AMT and the other was the Grendel P-30. Neither have a reputation for being quality, reliable firearms. The majority of .22 Mag handguns are single action revolvers, e.g, the Ruger Single Six. S&W does make the Model 648 double action on their K-Frame, though.

As a defense round the .22 Mag isn't the worst choice but neither is it the best. One thing to be aware of is that in short barrels, it's quite loud.

She sould be better served with a 9mm if she is worried about recoil. It would be much more effective, and in a medium-sized gun it's very pleasant to shoot.

Standing Wolf
October 17, 2003, 10:11 PM
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That said™, I doubt it's enough caliber to stake her life on. If the lady wants a .22 magnum, by all means, she should have one, but I think she ought to have something else, too.

P95Carry
October 17, 2003, 10:23 PM
Apart from the limited choice for auto . there is the ''rimfire factor'' ... sure they'll ''go'' most times but I'd prefer to rely on centerfire!

A 9mm would I'm sure be manageable but perhaps go down in size a tad and try a smaller piece in .32acp, .380acp .. etc .... KelTec maybe.

if she is set on the 22 mag tho then I think a revo would be better but as said . unless tube of reasonable length . those suckers are noisy .... really, a much better rifle round IMO than handgun.

JohnKSa
October 17, 2003, 10:33 PM
If you're going to stake your life on a rimfire pistol, it should be a revolver, not an auto.

sm
October 17, 2003, 10:44 PM
Was it Bill Jordan that suggested that a 22 mag revolver would be an ideal BUG?
IIRC not long ago didn't Taurus come out with one and Ayoob do a test, (maybe even mentioned the Jordan reference). Someone here will know.

I would suggest good hearing ears , them thangs loud , just so the noise doen't cause a flinch.

rule 1 have a gun . Good rule of thumb let a person, especially a lady choose her own, especially a lady one is married to. Revolver the way to go.

J Miller
October 17, 2003, 11:23 PM
.22 Mag in any length revolver + no ear protection + enclosed area = Severe hearing damage.

.22 Mag in any length revolver + no ear protection + outdoors = severe hearing damage.

I have shot several revolvers in .22 mag. All single actions. I suffer from severe high pitch hearing loss because of it. No body told me just how loud a .22 Mag is. I found out the hard way. Six rounds and my ears were in screaming (litterally) pain. I thought the pain would never stop. And when it did, the constant ringing of tinitus didn't.

As for a self defence gun, I suppose it's better than nothing. But I would not allow my wife to choose one specifically for defence. As a man who values my wifes life I'd work seriously on getting her into a DA revolver in a minimum of a 38 Special.
No shorter than a 4" and made from steel.
Then teach her to use it. If she ever needs to defend herself at home, this is much better than a .22 mag.

I've owned autos too over the years, (but for simplicity, think being woke up in the wee hours of the morning groggieness), a revolver can't be beat.
Even when I owned autos my house gun was always a revolver.

Delmar
October 17, 2003, 11:43 PM
why not a 44? Thats just a 22 twice:D

sm
October 17, 2003, 11:45 PM
Yep 22 mag, like I said, loud. Not many 22mag semi's, even so the reliabilty is what concerns me.

Still think a Model 10 with target load of WC is a better choice for recoil shy, the MOA is simple, one can work up to a better load.

On occasions either due to surgery, or really bad arthritis, folks will fall back to a 22lr semi. Duramatic, Woodsman, Buckmark, MKI or MKII. Granted not my first choice, however the first rule is have a gun. These examples seem to be quite reliable with the ammo they like. In the elder bunch, at least they can shoot something, and can afford to practice. Aging and arthritis sucks I'm told.

Black Snowman
October 17, 2003, 11:45 PM
Don't get an AMT for self defense, I can tell you that. The one I've seen has been ultimately finiky. Sometimes it's rock solid, others, jam-o-matic, the light-strike-o-matic. Then fine again for a while.

Jim March
October 18, 2003, 05:51 AM
Long skinny straight-walled cases are a "worst case scenario" for semi-auto feed reliability. Any kind of bottleneck, no matter how slight, helps.

Several rifle makers have been able to get the 22Mag to work in a semi-auto but it's still far from perfect.

And yes, the little boogers are loud.

That said, the Taurus 4" barrel 8-shot 22Mag DA built on the same frame as their five-shot 38s has a lot of potential in a low-recoil defense gun. Run CCI MaxiMag +Vs or +V/TNTs and you'll get about 1,400fps with the 30grain JHPs, basically on the high end of 32ACP performance but with more penetration.

I do agree that a good 38Spl with a 3" barrel and wadcutters is probably a better bet. If she can work her way up to 38+P, she'll be in very good shape indeed.

valnar
October 18, 2003, 09:00 AM
A smith model 64 or 67 in .38sp would be better. Heavy gun with medium caliber. Get her some of those magic recoil reducing grips and voila! You can even find the 64 in a 3" if 4" is too long.

Not bad at all, yet powerful enough for SD.

-Robert

Old Fuff
October 18, 2003, 09:33 AM
Abominable No-Man:

One of the problems with using the .22 WMR cartridge in a pistol is the cartridge’s length. If the magazine is in the handle, which it usually is, you end up with a pretty large handle. Then in addition you have to have a long slide travel. Pistol cartridges - that is to say, ones’ designed to be used in pistols - have short overall lengths and are rimless. So far no one has succeeded in making a compact pistol chambered to use the .22 WMR that is reliable, and I don’t think anyone will.

I would ask, “Is your wife especially sensitive to recoil? If so I would consider a revolver chambered in .32 H&R Magnum (which will also use .32 S&W Long and .32 S&W cartridges). Why? Because the recoil is lighter they a .38 Special, and you gain an extra round (6 rather then 5). I do not subscribe to the theory advanced by some, that nothing under .38/9MM can possibly be considered for self-defense.

If your wife is intent on getting a pistol I would consider getting one in .32 ACP or .380. However be aware that in a blow-back action pistol the felt recoil of the .380 is markedly more then a .32 ACP.

If recoil isn’t a substantive factor in her choice you could consider a larger cartridge of course.

I could make more specific suggestions concerning a choice of handguns, but I won’t because I have no idea how much you may have budgeted for this “project.”

Last but not least, it is always advisable to let the lady do her own choosing, after giving her an opportunity to see (and hopefully try) the different options.

Byron
October 18, 2003, 09:52 AM
As previosly indicated, the 380 is a good choice. If this is for while she is at home, consider a larger 380 such as the Browning 380 or the Bersa. Byron

JERRY
October 18, 2003, 10:14 AM
im not going to babble about the other calibers since your question is .22mag. if figure you already know what is better and have settled or she has. since she is the one the gun is for and she is the one who will have to use it and she is the one who will have to carry it..........


someone said it already, get a revolver for defense over a semiauto in rimfire.

if i were to have to get a .22rimfire for home defense and ccw, it would be the taurus ultra light 8 shot .22mag with a 3" barrel if available.

heavy none expanding ammo for adequate penetration. and the .22mag indoors w/o hearing protection.....bla bla bla same can be said for those who recommend any other gun.

actually, if in a life and death encounter, your body actually shuts down certain things as an automatic defense mechanism... you will hear the shot but will not seem to be as loud, your finger movements will be clumbsy, you will get tunnel vision, you will be holding your breath for the first 30 seconds or so........

its a weird thing when you are in it for real without any warning and only have your training to rely on. it is what will make the difference between hestitation and reaction.

Keith
October 18, 2003, 02:51 PM
If it's an "around the house" gun, why consider ANY handgun?

Get her a rifle (not a .22) or shotgun.

Keith

jercamp45
October 18, 2003, 08:37 PM
.22 mags are LOUD....
and out of a short barrel of a handgun, it produced quite a fireball...not really a good thing in a dark house.
It throws a little bullet, which MIGHT do the job. But I personally would not want someone I love carrying one to defend her life.....
No good quality autoloaders were made for it....

But I guess if that is what is on the menu....S&W used to make a Kit gun that used the round......Taurus makes a small snubby too.

But, I'd get something else........
Jercamp45

TooTech
October 18, 2003, 08:55 PM
Why not a revolver in .32 H&R Magnum?

BryanP
October 18, 2003, 11:03 PM
IIRC not long ago didn't Taurus come out with one

You're probably thinking of this:

Taurus 941 (http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=941B4&category=Revolver)

8 shots, available with 2, 4 and 5" barrels. I don't have one, but I do have the 94 which is the same revolver in .22lr with 9 shots. Nice little shooter.

larryw
October 18, 2003, 11:17 PM
Another way of looking at it: buy her a Buckmark, Mk II, 22/45 or whatever 22 auto she wants and load it up with Velociters, SuperMax or any other of the hyper velocity 22LR loads. Approaching WMR performance with a much wider variety of platforms from which to launch it.

Jim March
October 18, 2003, 11:55 PM
You know, that's a good point: those who REALLY can't cope with recoil are well-served by the Buckmark or other aluminum-frame, 5" barrel 22LR target pistols. The Rugers aren't really a good choice because racking the slide is unusually difficult.

With this class of critter, you've got 11 rounds on tap (10rd mag plus one up the pipe) and a light crisp trigger. Accuracy varies between "good" and "shockingly excellent"...throw 11 CCI Stingers into some clown's boiler room or brainbox and he's in real trouble. The sights are generally superb.

The mistake is to get a "vest pocket grade" 22LR for defense. With a 2" barrel, ballistics are just lousy and they're usually a DA trigger pull for the first shot, SA thereafter. I believe this operating drill to be a stupendously bad idea in a fighting handgun of any caliber, and I'm not the only one who thinks so.

But a big lightweight Buckmark or similar still fits in a fanny pack or purse just fine and has enough firepower to be a threat so long as the VERY BEST 22LR loads are carefully picked. The Remington Yellowjacket is another good one, if they'll feed in your particular gun...the nosecone shape is seriously weird. The Stingers are of a much more conventional shape and work GREAT...and in my experience, CCI rimfire ignition is extremely reliable, right on par with most centerfires.

ddflorida
October 19, 2003, 07:22 AM
I'd go with the Phoenix Arms HA-22. Great little gun, very accurate, not expensive, quite small, easy to break down & clean, cheap ammo. My wife loves hers, has a 3" barrel, but has an optional a 5" barrel for range plinking. She keeps it handy for carrying around the house. She's not as intimidated shooting it as she is with the big guns. Being dead-on accurate with a .22LR hollow point is much better than missing everything with the big rounds.

SDC
October 19, 2003, 07:52 AM
If she absolutely HAS to have a 22 Mag, why not a Charter Arms Pathfinder? It wouldn't be my first choice, but if she's happy with it, why not. You could see if she likes the Taurus PT-22 (22 LR) as well; nice and light, DAO, and it's got an open-topped slide so you're less likely to have an empty case hang up inside the pistol.

p35
October 19, 2003, 08:19 PM
I used to have a 941 and got rid of it b/c I couldn't stand the noise and flash even with hearing protection. It would be the ideal gun if she HAS to have a .22 Mag. You might look at the Walther P22- slick da/SA trigger setup with an exposed hammer, choice of 3.5" to 5" barrel, customizable backstrap, 10 rd mags. Good compromise between the Berreta style tiny .22s and the full size target/plinking guns.

Mastrogiacomo
October 19, 2003, 10:50 PM
I thought for sure I commented on this. I'm a female shooter, small and petite as well. No way in Hell I'd use a .22 for self defense of allow someone I love to either. I use Beretta compacts type M -- small, compact, slender, and user friendly. Also very accurate and in a 9mm -- which has very little recoil and cheap ammo to practice with at the range. Do not allow her to buy a gun to keep in the draws. A gun that is not used at the range is a waste of money....

If she prefers a revolver -- the Ruger GP 100 in a 3" barrel is a good option. It's a .357 but you can shoot .38's through it which is a very gentle load. It's a lot of fun to use it as well. If it's strictly home defense, the 4" is great too -- feels wonderful and not heavy at all. I loved using this gun myself when someone allowed me to fire his. It's going into my collection when I get the cash...:D

P95Carry
October 19, 2003, 11:04 PM
Mastro ..... dang .... never realized you were a gal .... good news! It is great to have you ladies all along here ... better balance and altogether ....... well, what's the difference .. we are all shooters.

Nuff said. Kudos.:)

Mastrogiacomo
October 19, 2003, 11:10 PM
Well, we do get around...:p I think it'd be great if we had more female shooters joining these boards. I could have been better prepared before I made my first purchase -- a 442 S&W -- and pointed in the right direction sooner. Jeeezz, don't know why people would rely on a target gun for self defense... :uhoh:

P95Carry
October 19, 2003, 11:14 PM
Jeeezz, don't know why people would rely on a target gun for self defense. Hmmm .... well better a gun than no gun but yeah .. hardly a 1º choice!! A buddy of mine at an old club used one of those for compo's .. shot damn well .. but hey - that was not SD!!

IIRC, if you still have it .. they can fetch quite good prices.

Mastrogiacomo
October 19, 2003, 11:16 PM
I agree it's better than harsh language....:D Still, I'll keep my 9mm handy over a Ruger Mark II or another .22 gun any day...

roscoe
October 20, 2003, 01:07 AM
I've got one of those Taurus 941 snubbies in .22 mag (the ultralight model). It is loud, the trigger is heavy, and the cylinder is a bit sticky when it gets hot (after 100 rounds, say), but it gives you 8 rounds and it is very accurate. Recoil is pretty much a non-issue.

James Bondrock
October 20, 2003, 01:20 AM
RE1973:
Was it Bill Jordan that suggested that a 22 mag revolver would be an ideal BUG? Yes, it was. Massad Ayoob did a write-up of a Taurus 8-shot .22 Magnum with a two-inch barrel in one of his annual Complete Book of Handguns magazines.

nickolize
November 28, 2009, 09:37 AM
Kel-Tec is coming out with a new semi-automatic handgun for the .22 magnum round. It is called the PMR-30 and as its name suggests it hols 30 rounds. It weighs 19 ounces with a full magazine and has fiber optic sights, green in front, red in back. It should be released during the second quarter of 2010. :p

Vern Humphrey
November 28, 2009, 10:45 AM
If you can convince your wife to go against her desires, you're a better man than I am, Charlie Brown.

But one tack you can take when discussing the .22 Magnum for self defense is to say, "That's what my first wife used, rest her soul.":p

If you have a .38 Special or .357, take her shooting and let her fire some powder-puff wadcutter loads and see if that doesn't convert her.

BK
November 28, 2009, 10:53 AM
The OP hasn't signed into this site in almost two years. Digging up this old thread does nothing for him.

But yeah. The PMR-30 should fit the bill perfectly.

PX15
November 28, 2009, 11:08 AM
My wife is 66 years old, petite, and this is what she prefers.:what:

J.
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makarovnik
November 28, 2009, 01:09 PM
Taurus makes some decent .22 mag revolvers as does S&W I think.

sheepdog
November 28, 2009, 01:42 PM
...any good round is going to cause hearing loss...I bought my son a Mini-14 but it's put away in my closet...he's got a Ruger .45 he's shot well since he was 12...but recently I found a trade on a new Ruger 10-22...with two 30-round clips taped back to back...that gun with hollow points and that many rounds will stop any man...if you were to get a folding stock and keep it folded...you'd have a no-recoil weapon that, while loud, wouldn't destroy her hearing if she had to use it in the house...light, short, easy for her to move room to room or keep out of sight at a central location...if she wants a .22WMR, I'd spend the money to get a Smith...some Taurus revolvers are perfect...some are not...personally, I've been well protected as a youngun and a few times during my life with a High Standard 9-shot .22 revolver with CCI Stinger HP in it....placement is important...comes in 2 3/8" and 4" for small hands and very reliable...used for around $125-175.

...all that being said, I've handed two non-shooting women(one very petite) my Ruger P97 .45 with ball in it...and they've hit well with it and enjoyed it...first gun either has ever shot...recoil is felt mostly between the ears...especially if someone were in her home bent on mischief...

hhb
November 28, 2009, 01:42 PM
There are already pictures of the new Kel-Tec .22 Magnum autoloader on the net. Supposed to introduced at the SHOT Show in January.

rcmodel
November 28, 2009, 02:05 PM
Heres the thread I started about the Kel-Tec, including links to pictures in the first post..
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=487481&highlight=pmr-30

rc

The Bushmaster
November 28, 2009, 03:14 PM
Small hands? Get her a S&W Model 10 Round butt .38 Special with a 2" to 4" barrel. Install one of the grips from Hogue or Pacmyre (sp). 140 grain to 158 grain HP of your choice. Managable recoil and you would play hell getting my wife's M-10 Round butt from her...

couldbeanyone
November 28, 2009, 05:03 PM
Get her one. Just make sure she practices enough to be deadly accurate with it. Kel-tec has announced the release of the pmr-30 in 22 magnum. Reliability is an unknown. I would further reiterate what others have said and recommend a revolver in 22 magnum. A Smith model 651 or 650 would be good. A Taurus 941 is also good provided she can put up with a harder double action trigger pull. A lot of the old timers in law enforcement thought highly of the 22 magnum, so don't let the caliber wars dissuade you too badly if it is what she really wants and is comfortable with.

Judge Vinny
September 21, 2010, 12:10 AM
If it was me I get something that when she pulled the trigger you know and intruder would most probably be dead dead dead.
A 22 I would be afraid would make some crack heads more powerful. For the house I think I would go with a shotgun. Handbag gun a judge pistol. WIth 410 buck shot.

A great many people get weapons for self defense but when a weapon is needed they really don't know how to act. Not saying I would know what I would do myself never been placed in a situation.

Prayers that no one has to find out what they would do. Or have to do.

blackrussian
September 21, 2010, 12:19 AM
Back from the dead, it's this thread. Again.

gofastman
September 21, 2010, 01:08 PM
How about a .32 ACP?
A locked breech pistol chambered for that should have minuscule recoil, plus its a larger hole and centerfire primed.
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/p-32/

EDIT
Back from the dead, it's this thread. Again.

Oh shoot :banghead:

PX15
September 21, 2010, 01:31 PM
JMOfartO:

IF your bride is comfortable with the 22 rimfire, then buy her a Firestorm FS22...

Same pistol as the Bersa Thunder 380, but in the 22cal. round.. Same excellent grip, a reputation for reliability, and it's a "ladies favorite", and has been for years..

I have one and every time my neighbor's grown daughter shoots it she wants to buy it from me....

Load the sucker up with jhp CCI Stingers, and for'ge'aboutit. ;)



Best Wishes,

Jesse

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gofastman
September 21, 2010, 01:54 PM
I don't want to bring this too far off topic. mods; delete if necessary
whats with everyone recommending Stingers for self defence?
I think a heavy bullet would be much better for a .22 defence load such as CCI Velocitors or Aguila Interceptors.

PX15
September 21, 2010, 03:04 PM
gfm:

The reason I recommend CCI Stingers for personal protection in a self defense gun, FOR THOSE who are determined, or for whatever reason on another, to use a 22cal. round is because I've used them for decades and always been satisfied with them..

Back before I decided killing a critter I didn't NEED to kill wasn't fun anymore, I dispatched many a tree rat with Stingers... I've seen what a Stinger jhp can do to the little fellers, and I'm sure the results would be equally impressive when shot into the human body..

A 22 is just a 22, and I don't recommend them for anyone for personal protection.. My wife and I prefer the Ruger LCP.. But IF a person is determined to place their faith in the lowly 22rimfire round, then my experience tells me the CCI Stinger is a good choice.

I'm sure the CCI Velocitors or Anguila Interceptors are fine choices too, perhaps even better than the Stingers, don't know...

But Stingers are available most places that sell ammo, and since I've never been disappointed in their performance I just like 'em.. :D

Just personal preference.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

Legionnaire
September 21, 2010, 04:55 PM
Maybe 31 rounds from a Kel-Tec PMR-30 would put this zombie thread down for good?

Manco
September 21, 2010, 05:15 PM
whats with everyone recommending Stingers for self defence?
I think a heavy bullet would be much better for a .22 defence load such as CCI Velocitors or Aguila Interceptors.

I agree with regard to defensive use against humans and any other creature larger than a rodent (not counting ROUSes--rodents of unusual size--but I don't think they exist ;)).

The reason I recommend CCI Stingers for personal protection in a self defense gun, FOR THOSE who are determined, or for whatever reason on another, to use a 22cal. round

They're easier to shoot, making some people far more effective as shooters, and you can pack up to 10 of them in some DA revolvers.

is because I've used them for decades and always been satisfied with them..

Back before I decided killing a critter I didn't NEED to kill wasn't fun anymore, I dispatched many a tree rat with Stingers... I've seen what a Stinger jhp can do to the little fellers, and I'm sure the results would be equally impressive when shot into the human body..

Not at all, in my opinion. Larger creatures such as humans require far more penetration for a load to be effective enough for defensive purposes. While a Stinger may blow small creatures apart, such a small amount of energy, relatively speaking, would have little effect on humans. It would be far more effective to use that energy to instead penetrate more deeply in order to have a greater chance of inflicting lethal wounds on humans.

A 22 is just a 22, and I don't recommend them for anyone for personal protection..

With the right loads, a .22 can easily kill a person with good shot placement, and some people are better shots with it. With varmint loads such as the CCI Stinger, it would be best to stick to squirrels and rats and such.

My wife and I prefer the Ruger LCP.. But IF a person is determined to place their faith in the lowly 22rimfire round, then my experience tells me the CCI Stinger is a good choice.

I presume that your experience does not include shooting humans. ;) Mine doesn't either so far, but different loads behave very differently in terminal ballistics tests, at the very least, and there should be an analogous difference when shooting living things.

I'm sure the CCI Velocitors or Anguila Interceptors are fine choices too, perhaps even better than the Stingers, don't know...

Unlike the Stinger, these loads can meet and often exceed the minimum penetration standard used by most people as well as law enforcement, which is 12" in calibrated ballistic gelatin (although CCI Velocitors use hollow-point bullets, out of a pistol there is not enough velocity for them to expand, so they penetrate deeply).

But Stingers are available most places that sell ammo, and since I've never been disappointed in their performance I just like 'em.. :D

Just personal preference.

They are a superior load against small critters, no doubt, but don't underestimate what .22 LR can do against larger creatures when using loads designed for that purpose (and further improvement is possible, in my opinion).

bgeddes
September 21, 2010, 05:36 PM
Maybe 31 rounds from a Kel-Tec PMR-30 would put this zombie thread down for good?

I just saw one of those Kel-tecs at my local shop. It weighs nearly nothing empty. The trigger is surprisingly good for a $325 gun. I'd like to shoot it. I think .22wmr would be suitable for Zombie stopping.

Radagast
September 21, 2010, 10:20 PM
*shuffle* "Braaaainnns!" *lurch*

Or should that be "Threaaaaadds!"

This thread needs a mod with a Silvertip to put it down for good. :P

Jackal1
September 22, 2010, 08:58 PM
Kel-Tec PMR-30 gets you 30 rounds of 22WMR as fast as you can pull the trigger.

Upon release initial problems were discovered with Fiocchi ammo. Info on this comes in the box with the pistol when you buy it.

http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/pmr-30/

gqtmayk
November 26, 2010, 10:53 PM
You have to check out the Kel-Tec PMR30, a .22 wmr semi-autmatic very new to the market. I had the same issue with my wife who is now very happy and comfortable with this gun. It is fun to shoot with an acceptable recoil and for defence it comes with two 30 round mags. Used with CCI ammo it will stop anyone. Costs under $400.

Jim M

MartinS
November 27, 2010, 03:59 PM
Ah, full circle at last as new hardware blesses us with new answers (and questions).

Sam1911
November 27, 2010, 04:35 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that sometime in the last 7 years the OP found something to satisfy his wife. If not, I'm not sure we can help.

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