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marineshooter
May 28, 2009, 04:58 PM
95 gr cast lead rn with titegroup, what powder charge in a PPKs .380

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Walkalong
May 28, 2009, 05:20 PM
Welcome to THR

Have you looked here (http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp)?

rcmodel
May 28, 2009, 06:20 PM
You need to invest in a Lyman #49 loading manual if you are going to shoot cast bullets.

Heck, you need to invest in a Lyman #49 load manual even if your aren't.

rc

Walkalong
May 28, 2009, 06:40 PM
Good advise.

LightningMan
May 28, 2009, 10:27 PM
Hello, The data I got with my Lee .380 die set only lists for 100 grain lead bullets and all other data was for jacketed bullets. It has two listings for 100 gr. lead, AA#2 start grains 3.2 / max. grains 3.6 also, AA#5 with start grains 4.1 / max. grains 4.5. Don't know it this will help you but thought I'd post it anyway as I too am going to load my own .380 ammo. LM

RidgwayCO
May 29, 2009, 11:53 AM
I load 95gr LRN bullets in the .380 Auto to a sedate 800 fps (approximately) for practice and plinking. Very accurate, clean, comfortable, with 100% cycling in my Bersa 95 (3.5" barrel) and Beretta 84 (3.8" barrel), and the brass gets deposited in a nice pile a couple of feet to my right. Performance might be different in a Walther PPK as I've never tried these loads in one.

To achieve this performance I've used:

Powder........................Amount....Lee Cavity
Accurate #2 .................. 2.7gr ...... .27cc
VihtaVuori N310 ............ 2.3gr ...... .27cc
Hodgdon Titegroup ........ 2.7gr ...... .24cc
Hodgdon Clays .............. 2.1gr ...... .32cc

(all loaded with either CCI or Wolf SP primers to a COL of .950")

I don't use Hodgdon Clays anymore for this round, as I experienced a lot of bridging in my Lee Pro Auto-Disk powder measure when trying to throw the very small charges. Notice that I needed to use the Lee Micro-Disk to obtain these small charges for all of the powders except Clays.

Also, I'm pretty sure I could obtain this performance with Bullseye, W231/HP38, and a host of other fast pistol powders. The powders listed are just the ones that I've personally tested.

Please remember that this is just my experience. You need to weigh the charges thrown by YOUR powder measure and proceed accordingly.

Walkalong
May 29, 2009, 12:28 PM
I also liked AA #2 in .380. I don't have one anymore.

46R
May 29, 2009, 02:57 PM
I'm interested in loading 95 gr cast LRN for .380 with Titegroup powder too, especially for my new LCP. I just received a box of 1000 Missouri Bullet Co's new product, and was wanting to make up a batch of nice mild-to-moderate strength target practice rounds, and I've got a couple lbs of Titegroup, about 3/4 of a can of HP-38, and a full unopened can of Power Pistol. Given that the little LCP's barrel is only 2.75" long, the Power Pistol would probably be way too slow. The Titegroup is the fastest powder I've got, and it works absolutely perfect for me in 9mm target loads, so I reckon it'd also be an optimal powder in an extremely short barrel .380 too.

I'd found someone else's recipe for 2.4 gr Titegroup behind a 95 gr LRN, and was wondering if that would be too light of a load to start with for these cast bullets?

rcmodel
May 29, 2009, 03:23 PM
According to MY Lyman #49 manual, 2.4 is the starting load & 2.7 is the MAX.

This is for a 90 grain (nominal) cast bullet. It will weigh about 95 when sized & lubed.

I highly recommend YOU get a Lyman manual if you are going to load cast bullets.

rc

marineshooter
May 29, 2009, 03:25 PM
Thanks for the data for .380 95 gr. c. I will load up some and give you the results

oneounceload
May 29, 2009, 03:42 PM
I agree with RC - I'm glad you have faith in the internet, I don't. I DO have faith in the manuals put out by various companies where they actually tested and published their results. Buy a book or two - it's in your own best interest and safety.

rcmodel
May 29, 2009, 04:00 PM
+1

I'm about to wear out my 6 month old Lyman #49 & Hodgdon 2009 looking up loads for people every day!!!

So many new reloaders, so many with no reloading manuals! :banghead:

rc

zxcvbob
May 29, 2009, 04:09 PM
I use 4.2 grains of Unique. This is a max load or close to it. (it's pretty zippy, even out of a 2 1/2" barrel)

Titegroup sucks.

marineshooter
May 29, 2009, 04:30 PM
I have 3 reloading books. Lee 2nd edition, a print out of Hodgon data from thier own web site and a book on the complete reloading manual of the .380. None of them list data for cast loads. So i will go out and buy one more manual. I do not trust the internet for reloading . But you guys pointed me in the right direction

Roccobro
May 31, 2009, 12:02 AM
Titegroup sucks.

Please elaborate. :)

Justin

zxcvbob
May 31, 2009, 12:18 AM
Please elaborateI shoot mostly cast bullets, and Titegroup seems to burn unusually hot and it makes a bunch of smoke and it scorches the brass. Also I can't get as good accuracy as with Red Dot for similar loads. And it is so dense for a fast-burning powder that it disappears in the bottom of the cases when you're loading and makes it hard to see.

It does meter nice, and a pound of it lasts a *long* time (I'm trying to use it up, and it just keeps going and going.) I would much rather use Red Dot or Bullseye.

FROGO207
May 31, 2009, 01:50 AM
It is also easy to throw a double charge with so little used. I try to choose a propellant that at least fills the case more than half full so that I will see an obvious double charge BEFORE finishing that particular round. Just might be way too cautious, OH WELL.

Roccobro
June 1, 2009, 01:36 PM
Thank you Zxcvbob. That was what I expected to hear about the cast boolits but hadn't seen it yet. Started to think the .380 was special .lol

Justin

Nate1778
June 1, 2009, 03:03 PM
4 grains Unique and a 100 grain plated Berry Bullet, Winchester primers. I tried the 4.2 and it is pretty hot for that caliber.

zxcvbob
June 1, 2009, 03:22 PM
I tried the 4.2 and it is pretty hot for that caliber.How far did it throw your brass? :cool:

Nate1778
June 1, 2009, 03:31 PM
Don't know a majority of the brass bounced off the partition wall. I would say the couple that got past it and went into no-mans land in the range were flying 3 to 4 stalls over.

Guinny_Ire
June 2, 2009, 12:59 PM
RC, much appreciated. My 49th edition should be showing up today

MikeS.
June 8, 2009, 04:06 PM
I can't help the OP but I like 2.8 of Bullseye with a 95 grn jacketed hp. This shoots nicely out of my LCP.

Marlin 45 carbine
June 8, 2009, 04:52 PM
can't help regards the titegroup but Red Dot under a cast slug rn slug does great for my BDA, clean burning. cheap too.

jpwilly
June 8, 2009, 10:28 PM
Is it worth the upgrade from #48 to #49 reloading manual...mine is a #48

zxcvbob
June 9, 2009, 12:29 AM
My practice load is 3.0 grains of International Clays with a 95 grain cast bullet. It doesn't hurt my hand nearly as much as 4.2 grains of Unique, but it's still uncomfortable to shoot from a gun that only weighs 8 ounces. (and I wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of the barrel)

71Commander
June 9, 2009, 06:26 AM
Titegroup and lead in any caliber = smoke.

marineshooter
June 28, 2009, 10:25 AM
I came into a 8 lb can of titegroup. really low charge weights for .357 mag. 158 gr. swc and .45 acp .230 lrn. what gets me why so much smoke. I talked to several"experts" and they say no smoke. but others and myself say lot of smoke. is this a result of the combo. or am i doing something wrong. am in the middle of charge weights and correct oal/

Roccobro
June 29, 2009, 01:26 AM
What kind of bullets or lube?

Justin

russ45
June 29, 2009, 12:12 PM
I have used BE 1.6 to 2.7 grains. 2.7 grains leads a lot, 1.6 leads very little. No feeding or ejecting problems with my Bersa Thunder 380. The lower charges 2.0 grains or less give manageable leading. 2.5 and 2.7 grains requires aggressive lead removal. All are very accurate with low recoil. I have also tried Titegroup and Universal, but Bullseye is the best operating, cleanest, and most accurate I have tried. Titegroup probably second, and Universal does not burn consistently at the low charges.

russ45
June 29, 2009, 12:20 PM
I have used BE 1.6 to 2.7 grains. 2.7 grains leads a lot, 1.6 leads very little. No feeding or ejecting problems with my Bersa Thunder 380. The lower charges 2.0 grains or less give manageable leading. 2.5 and 2.7 grains requires aggressive lead removal. All are very accurate with low recoil. I have also tried Titegroup and Universal, but Bullseye is the best operating, cleanest, and most accurate I have tried. Titegroup probably second, and Universal does not burn consistently at the low charges.

marineshooter
June 29, 2009, 04:35 PM
I was using what fin feather and fur had. bought some oregon cast for 357. have not used them yet. I bought some 380 357 45 from Missouri bullet co. they are a 18 hardness, again have not loaded any yet . wanting to use all my old ones first. the smoke is quite bothersome. Can anyone help

MikeS.
June 30, 2009, 02:27 AM
"Is it worth the upgrade from #48 to #49 reloading manual...mine is a #48"

Anyone have an opinion on this?

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