Full Auto parts?


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xbox360
May 29, 2009, 02:16 PM
I saw on Gun broker they sell Ar-15 Ak-47 Ruger 10/22! full auto fire control group parts for around 20-70$ for the set, I thought you had to have a permit or something to buy those? if you buy those thats all you need to make your rifle full auto??? :confused: :confused: this makes no sence to me because I have seen FULL AUTO AK-47 go for 10,000 and if you stick a 50 part in your gun how does it make the value jump 9,000 ? there must be more to it :confused::confused:



NVM I found that you need a FFL2 class. A bit much taxes alot more. funny video a rugger that is fully auto

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Gunnerpalace
May 29, 2009, 02:21 PM
I think those are replacement parts for already registered ones.

Otherwise you own a AK and a AK FA FCG, that is not registered, the Feds will frown on that, At least that is what I understand,

lilguy
May 29, 2009, 02:21 PM
Go ahead and order NFA items, let us know when you get the brick wall removed from your face. I have seen full auto sears go for thousands.

rcmodel
May 29, 2009, 02:26 PM
+1

You can't use the parts in a gun unless it was registered prior to 1986.

That would be "Manufacturing a Machinegun" and is good for an all-expense paid vacation at Club-Fed, with an amorous roommate named Bubba or Slick!

Most reputable companies require a copy of the tax stamp and form to buy them.

rc

memphisjim
May 29, 2009, 02:26 PM
i dont know for certain but if it is the parts that carry the registration they would cost way more

freakshow10mm
May 29, 2009, 02:31 PM
It's probably new manufactured parts. Legally speaking they can be sold to anyone but it's their job to buy what's compliant. Most places will require paperwork before they ship.

Dimis
May 29, 2009, 04:26 PM
lilguy those types of comments are not apreciated here.
First he was genuinly asking as his age shows he honestly does not know
secondly to suggest to someone who is potentialy going to listen to you that they do something illigal (even in a sarcastic way) is way outta line

to answer your question most of the 70 dollar parts are junk scams that wouldnt work even if you did have the firearms registered
true auto sears go for alot of money 3000-10,000 and beyond
dont waist your time or money with anything of that nature remember if it sounds too good to be true it probably is
If you are interested in full auto and live in a state that allows the Pre 86 firearms there are better ways to do it and non of them involve a 70 dollar part

TexasRifleman
May 29, 2009, 04:34 PM
Yes, it may very well be legal to buy and own those parts.

If I own no ARs at all, and I am never around any, I might be able to own an AR auto sear legally. However, if I have an AR and I have the sear, even if they are not assembled, it's jail time potentially.

With the AR/M16 specifically there are many parts needed to make one full auto. You can buy most of those parts from vendors all day long. It's not until you try to use them, or have enough pieces together in one place to build a machinegun, that you are in trouble.

And, as mentioned, there are people who simply need to buy spare parts for a tax stamped "proper" NFA weapon.

Just because you can buy the stuff doesn't mean you can do anything with it.
It is not the sellers job to keep you out of prison.

ny32182
May 29, 2009, 04:36 PM
What you are seeing are replacement trigger parts at their normal cost. They can only be used in LE owned or pre-86 registered guns, which is what you paid the 10K+ for. If you attempt to put them in a non-registered semi-auto, you will get several years federal PMITA prison.

c5_nc
May 29, 2009, 05:10 PM
The parts are military spec or in may cases out of real military rifles that were converted for civilian use. Modifications to recievers that allow them to accept full auto parts is the "bad" thing. (necessary holes in ARs or AKs) You can actually own the parts and a unmodified AR/AK, etc.

Dan Crocker
May 29, 2009, 05:29 PM
Not again, Xbox360. Seriously guy.

ARNETT44
May 29, 2009, 06:06 PM
google BATF, firearms law, read. Even the parts in the same area as the firearm is a violation as if it was being used.

kanook
May 29, 2009, 06:41 PM
The parts are military spec or in may cases out of real military rifles that were converted for civilian usewrong. once a macine gun/always a machine gun. if you own a firearm that was full auto and converted to semi, guess what, it's a machine gun. if you own an AK or AR that has the holes drilled but no full auto parts, guess what, machine gun. if you purchase an m16 lower parts kit for a AR15 guess what, convert the parts to semi auto style and your fine. if you have full auto parts laying around, you asking for trouble. parts do not make the gun illegal if they have been converted, the receiver is the registered part and that cannot be converted back. don't guess at answers to law. :D

1shot3kills
May 29, 2009, 06:55 PM
there are other modifications other than the fire control group,on aks there are modifications to the receiver,barral,bolt carrier,gas piston,and trunion.on ars im not sure.anywaysyou have to have the right permit to buy even the fcgs to begin with.stay away and dont even attempt to modify anything inside one of these weapons to try to make full auto because
1.its dangerous
2.its not going to function properly after
3.its a free ride to 3 free square meals,a free bed,no bills,and a new wordrobe.
4.and there is nothing,nowhere to sneak off and shoot it anyways,

i bought a used ak about a year ago from someone who bought it from someone else and they never shot it.i took it to the gun range alpine here in fort worth,pull trigger on it and it did not stop until clip was empty,scared the chicken nuggets out of me,and the whole range had eyes on me.i swiftly grabbed everything and jumped in my z28 and quickly departed.
somebody had ground down the hammer catch hooks and tried to do a home conversion on it.it would not stop until clip empty even if you let off on trigger.

Gunnerpalace
May 29, 2009, 06:57 PM
With the AR/M16 specifically there are many parts needed to make one full auto. You can buy most of those parts from vendors all day long. It's not until you try to use them, or have enough pieces together in one place to build a machinegun, that you are in trouble.

if you purchase an m16 lower parts kit for a AR15 guess what

This is curious, I remember during the whole Oloffson fiasco reports were going left and right as to if M16 parts in a AR were legal, I recall ATF reports and lawsuits and the answer was translucent at best.

lipadj46
May 29, 2009, 07:11 PM
First he was genuinly asking as his age shows he honestly does not know

I guess you are not familiar with this guy's posts. His chosen screen name pretty much says its all.

JShirley
May 29, 2009, 07:14 PM
Okay, the original question was asked and answered. I don't see any profit to letting this one remain open.

John

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