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LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
May 30, 2009, 12:36 AM
Whaddya guys think of em? The finish was done by me.

The Mosin is a 1944 dated Izhevsk manufacture
The K31 was made in 1944 according to the serial number, but could anyone tell me what arsenal(?) manufactured it?

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maskedman504
May 30, 2009, 01:46 AM
Your guns are attractive, and two I am in the market for. I currently only own an SKS milsurp. I find it is usually important to show before and after pictures. Have you fired them? I am aware of the reputation of the M44 as a 'big boomer'- I want to get one to 'sporterize' (read:not 'bubba' , sporterize it a proper way (http://www.surplusrifle.com/carbinenagant/oddsandends3/index.asp)). I am interested in your opinion of the K31. The internet (read: people without firsthand experience) claims the K31 as an MOA shooter, regardless of condition; could you post some groupings, conditions of weather and conditions of your rifle? I am namely interested in the bore/rifling and function of the action.

My stock was really, really dinged up- but it had no gouges- I used a propane are heater to bake the cosmoline from the stock: I used this heater because I had to hold the stock and had complete control as compared to putting it in an oven for X amount of time at Y temp.

http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/images/1727_lg.jpg

After cooking the cosmo from the stock I used a hand steamer cleaner to raise dents out of the wood. The steamer as multiple nozzle types and is very focused, which in turn allowed me to focus on specific areas of the stock. This raises alot of indentations and cosmetic defects in the wood.

http://www.iosss.com/shopping/images/sc1-k.jpg

After these processes I stained the wood in red mahogany (I think) and apply coats of boiled linseed oil every 2-4 weeks as memory allows.


To give an example of before after, this is my SKS before:

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc99/maskedman504/thDSCN0834.jpg

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc99/maskedman504/thDSCN0833.jpg
This is my SKS after:

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc99/maskedman504/IMG_0648.jpg

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc99/maskedman504/IMG_0653.jpg

I also put some metal polishing compound on the bolt carrier and the bolt and polished them with a compressor polishing wheel.

rogertc1
May 30, 2009, 07:37 AM
The K31 was made in 1944 according to the serial number, but could anyone tell me what arsenal(?) manufactured it?


You need to go to this board and also provide more info...

http://forums.gunboards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=13

Storm
May 30, 2009, 07:58 AM
A K31 is very high on my list. Soon, I hope...

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
May 31, 2009, 03:09 PM
MaskedMan-
I do have proper before and after photos, will post in this reply. I have fired both of them, and they are both a blast to shoot. The muzzle flash out of the Mosin is wicked, and yes, it sounds like a cannon, :D. I've seen a lot of nice sporter jobs for both rifles, but even then, I won't bastardize either one more than I have done already by refinishing them. I refinished them because the Mosin aquired an amonia burn when I was trying to neutralize the corrosive salts, and the shellac was flaking everywhere. The Swiss's finish was fading, but refinishing it with Ipswitch pine (closest color I could find to match) didn't take to the stock, so I finished it with the same stain as the Mosin, Red Oak 215 from Minwax. I removed the dents I could with a iron and a damp washclothe.

I don't know how the K31 groups because I've never really shot it seriously enough to do so, and I don't have a 100 yard range that I can go to. I did have one once, but me and that friend had had a falling out :(. But as soon as I can, I'll shoot and get the groupings on both the rifles and post 'em up. Also, I need to purchase ammunition for the K31, 7.5x55 Swiss has to be special ordered where I live and the gunshop I go to hasn't had any for about a year now. As soon as I get ammo (Milsurp, because everyone and their grandmother claims MOA with milsurp ammo) I'll let you know and will go and get some groupings.

My oppinion on the K31? Glad you ask, the rifle is superb. The bore is nice and shiny, with sharp grooves and no pitting. I wanna say that the bore is between 85-92% new. The bluing on the the barrel and other parts is about 95-98% new, except for the butt-plate, which shows the characteristic wear on most K31 surplus rifles. The action is smooth and unbinding, and the tolerances are really tight, which some say is a hinderance. There's been arguements on this board and another one about whether or not the K31 would be a reliable weapon for combat, with good points being dicussed by both sides. The tolerances are tight, which may cause a jam if debris gets into the works, but if the rifle were unreliable, why would the Swiss Army keep it in service for 25 years? And other straight-pull rifles before the Karabiner 1931? Those are some of the arguements, and nothing has really been decided. But to me, the rifle is an excellent example of form and function, and everything about this rifle is like clockwork.

Your SKS looks really nice. I am planning on adding one to my collection, as well as an AK.

Rogertc1-
Thank you, I will look into that as soon as possible.

Storm-
The rifles are excellent. It's probably my favorite purchase, and is indeed worth every penny. The K31 really should be a 5-600 dollar gun.

And here are the proper before and after pictures. In the before picture, the guns should have been assembled, but hindsight is always 20/20.

Before:
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w25/Imatas121/Before.jpg

After:
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w25/Imatas121/Finished.jpg

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
May 31, 2009, 04:18 PM
I found out through the help of Gunboards that my K31 was manufactured by Waffenfabrik Bern.

maskedman504
May 31, 2009, 05:11 PM
Man, I have been setting aside cash for DW 1911 and now I am thinking I could get 3 or 4 milsurps at the gunshow next weekend instead.:banghead:

Thanks for the refinishing info! :D

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 1, 2009, 02:42 PM
No problem, lol.

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 2, 2009, 01:57 PM
And I learned that all K31's were manufactured at Waffenfabrik Bern, as TFoley at Gunboards told me with what seemed to be some annoyance at me asking a question. I don't think I'm going to be visiting their site anymore...

hogmanahoo.com
June 3, 2009, 02:51 PM
gunboards isnt my favorite site either

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 4, 2009, 02:39 AM
Yeah, I like a place where I feel welcome with many members eager to help answer any questions I may have. That's why I stick to THR. I'm never dissappointed here, and I think my rifles love the attention they're getting here, ;P

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